I don’t want to spark a war here… but, just… what even.
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I’m aware that this is the NAIAS thread, and that I haven’t submitted anything myself (no time). I’m also aware that what I’m about to say appears to have been conveyed to you at least once elsewhere. But since I’ve never commented on your cars directly, allow me to expand on what ram’s getting at:
- You’ve gone ham on the tech sliders again. As Automation is increasingly refined it increasingly reflects real life parameters over how long a car takes to develop as well as produce. This model appears to have a Production time of 2511 units, which is… astronomical. For comparison, even a real world hypercar would probably be anywhere from under 300 to maybe 500. Using excessive amounts of tech sliders yields diminishing returns, and the only place where you may expect to see +15 everywhere is, say, in a top tier Formula 1 or WEC outfit, if even that.
- The buttons at the top on the market tab, to either side of the suggested price are to determine markup. When you say “it costs 262k”, that just means, “it costs 262k in 2010 USD to get the materials together and pay the workers to put the car together”. It does not take into account how much you have to sell for how much before your company doesn’t go broke making the thing. As a guide, beta testers making the competitor pack had to mark hypercars up 300%. If you play the lite campaign you’ll get an idea of how it works with the ‘break even’ price. Either way, you’ve left your markup at 0, that’s not how it works.
- You’ve made some interesting choices that enhance all the flaws of the original DeLorean. For one, that thing is a total bus at over 2 metric tons. Not even a Bugatti Chiron comes close. More like, a Toyota Landcruiser
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also, those are palty figures for quality spam, too.
barely 1100hp from a 525? i mean c’mon.
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Alright guys, let’s round it up here, let’s not defile this fantastic thread anymore. Pretend it never happened.
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I’m back, if anyone missed me. Sad announcement though - no more Zavirs in Detroit, as I had (and maybe still have) a bit of an Automation designer crisis, and all cars would have to be designed from scratch, except for Luna Spider. Oh, well, and Z4500, which is an already designed classic car, but I don’t think that posting it alone would be good.
And no Hyperas for the same reason 
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Back by popular demand, the new Albury Centurion MkVII is distinguished from its predecessor by a longer wheelbase for extra comfort. Two models have been delivered to NAIAS 2017: a 6.4 Sedan and a Super Ute, the latter powered by a 500 bhp (metric) version of the Albury New Universal V8. Other body/engine combinations are available, but these two are the real headline-grabbers. The 6.4 Sedan retails for $32340; the Super Ute for $33930 (including a 10% and 30% markup respectively).
In addition, the new Viceroy Mk6 luxury sedan, built on an extended version of the Centurion platform, is now available for purchase. This car blends the brute force of a muscle car with the restrained elegance that has been present in the Viceroy line since its introduction 50 years ago, and now comes with a HUD-based infotainment system as standard.
The vehicle shown here is a 6.4 50th Anniversary model, finished in Anniversary Gold, although a Super Sport version with <500 bhp is due soon. Most intriguingly of all, it is available with a 6-speed manual or 7-speed automatic transmission. Do any other manufacturers offer a luxury car with a normally-aspirated V8 and a manual gearbox option? Nobody but Albury does - and it’s yours for $54510 including markups!
And by the way, the Crusader sports car is still on sale; it’s just unchanged from last year and its engine is shared with the Super Ute.
These should be among the last few cars to be shown at NAIAS 2017. It’s been a great motor show! Thanks for visiting!
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DeLorean is a smaller car company. If you read their website, they have to follow the same regulations as larger companies and corps such as Ford. Sounds like they are having trouble with that. Now under Calvinator (never in real life), they won’t have that trouble. Now, this conversation (if it has to continue) should continue on a different thread. Don’t destroy this thread, it isn’t even my thread.
It’s like you guys are on to me. I will hold a compitition thread, and I don’t care about its structure now. This was out of line. No one goes to a car show to negatize a car company, it creates an unfriendly environment. This is only going on for 2 or 3 more days. Then talk all the smack you want on a different thread.
I will probably have an interview, cause of you guys. Besides, it was meant to be a joke.
Strop merely suggested you add some markup to the car instead of selling it for what it costs to build, and to perhaps not go mental with the tech sliders to shove the cost up so much. Not destroying anything, on to anyone, out of any lines, being unfriendly or whatever.
It’s a motor show, as you rightly said. People are going to form opinions of the cars that are on show for people to form opinions of. A bit constructive feedback should help you make your car you are displaying better. If you want to leave it the same by all means do, but it is on, show. People will comment.
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#SHOW CLOSES IN 24 HOURS
18:30 GMT, 22nd January - that’s the closing time for Detroit 2017! A little while after that, we’ll begin the voting. All will be revealed/explained then 
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The last day of the show was brought in by the sound of a loud twin-turbocharged V12 making its way down the highway from Chicago, at Luke’s request.
“Sounds like the old girl’s just about here. If it wasn’t for the fact that it only gets 20 MPG, I’d use it as a daily driver, but sadly, an old Mamba doesn’t quite get the gas mileage it needs to be a daily car. Lot of fun to drive, though.”
The low, sleek profile of the Stealth Black High Gloss coupe caught everyone’s attention as it crawled into the parking space left for it. The engine was shut down and all went silent, with the exception of a handful of people who’d never seen one before asking if it was something new or old.
“This, everyone, is my 2007 Storm Mamba GTRS. It’s old, but it’ll still give some supercars a run for their money today.” Luke said. “Yes, it’s an old car, but we figured we had to end on a high note, and what better car to end our display on, than one of our strongest performers? There are faster cars, there’s cars that are better around a track, but this one was our star of the show. Some companies closed with a concept, we close with a promise: The Enthusiast has not been Forgotten. We will still build crazy and fast cars, as much as we will build economy boxes and hybrids.”
The driver behind the wheel got out slowly, still wearing their midnight black racing helmet, walked to the back of the car, opened the small trunk, and removed a rolled up poster. After pinning it to the nearby board, the driver took off her helmet.
“Welcome to the show, Amy. You’d always stated you wanted to drive the Mamba, how was it?” Luke asked.
“Quite fun, and exciting to drive around a track, too. I think one of the cooling flaps keeps getting stuck, though, because I can’t get a stable lap time out of it.”
“Easily fixed back at the shop, but let’s face it, the Mamba hasn’t lapped a track in 10 years until this morning.”
Amy moved out of the way of the poster she’d put up, revealing that it was a track map, some performance stats from the Mamba, and a lap time.
“Impressive. Even I didn’t think it was that fast. Still, it’s a good old car, and if it could get better mileage, I’d drive it more often. I will, however, be driving it home. Someone else that I can trust will have to drive my 3 cylinder Surge home, though, and there’s still the matter of the Deathtrap to bring back to the shop. We’ll figure all of this out for the departure ceremony, I’m sure.” Luke said, before opening the hood on the Mamba to show off the all AlSi constructed V12 engine under the hood.
(As for clarification, I suspect this is one of my older cars with slightly wonky cooling from an overlapping vent somewhere. I really can’t stabilize the lap times, and it’ll wander from ultra-low 1:56 laps to high 1:55 laps. But the car’s still up in my thread and has a download link available, just find 2007 and try it for yourself if you don’t believe it’s that fast.)
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At the Mott Works Automotive booth music begins to play
As the song ends 4 cars are unveiled and behind them a sign lights up
Rage----------Aqueos----------Savage
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Hello and welcome. Here today I would like to reveal to you the 2017 Mott Works Aqueos as well as the 2018 Rage and Savage, 3 historic names in our company that we are now reviving.
First I would like to focus on the 2017 Aqueos. A concept version of this Super-GT car has been revealed previously but now it is going to be entering production this year. It features a 6L V12, reminiscent of the original, that now produces 750hp and sends it to all 4 wheels. There are also various styling cues from the original car that have now been incorporated into the carbon fiber body panels of its modern reincarrnation. On the inside of the car is where the 2 cars we have here differ. One version is the Sport trim, with lighweight racing inspired seats while the other is our touring variant featuring an ultra high end luxury interior designed for extreme levels of comfort. The sport trim is expected to sell for $250K and the touring variant, $300K
Onto the Savage and Rage and once again styling is inspired by the original version, even including the side exit exhausts, however the engine is different. It now features a 540hp 5.8L V8 engine in the top of the line MWR trim. The body and chassis are all aluminum, as with most of our regular road cars, and power is sent to the rear wheels. Also, in order to maintain practicality with the Rage we utilized multi-link rear suspension to increase payload. Pricing on the MWR variants of both the Savage and Rage starts at $50,000.
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Failures in communication have forced Zenshi to withdraw their final two presentations for the auto show and have made mass apologies for the inconvenience.
(Computer BSOD’d and I ended up losing my progress on the two cars. Best course of action was to, unfortunately, withdraw.)
EDIT: INCOMING!
#A statement from Albury Motors CEO, Rick Burke, on the new Centurion and Viceroy ranges
“The Centurion, regardless of body style, is intended as a driver’s car first and foremost, just as Albury Motors wants it to be, even with the V6 engines found in lesser trims. But you really want the V8 version (in either state of tune); with normal aspiration and a six-speed manual as standard, it is a wonderfully analogue counterpoint to the prevalence of smaller turbocharged engines and quick-shifting automatics in its segment. Our Super Ute, in particular, will be a unique proposition at the end of the year, since no other company will produce a vehicle like it by then, and we encourage buyers to consider it as a sports coupe with a much larger luggage compartment than usual. Finally, by continuing to make the New Universal V8 standard on the Viceroy, we have enhanced the car’s emphasis on performance and handling, which is true to our belief that cars of this class don’t always have to be lumbering, isolated barges.”
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Zenshi reveals two of their greatest cars, the Grandea and the GT, sports cars that have carried the Zenshi badge proud for a very long time.
Before they were revealed, Chief Engineer Masahiro Takahashi and the designer of the original GT, Naoya Odani, showcased the 2rd generation Grandea and the first generation GT; these specific models being the ones they actually own.
1967 Zenshi Grandea GT2000 Special
The 2nd generation Grandea was released in 1965, and was the first Grandea to have a coupe body style. In 1967, Zenshi established ZMD, which was at the time originally intended for racing purposes. To celebrate this achievement, Zenshi allowed ZMD to work on the Grandea, resulting in the GT2000 Special.
The GT2000 Special was the first Grandea to be powered by an Inline-6 engine. ZMD took the LW1 I6 motor from the Axia and completely redid the entire engine, resulting in the creation of the IA20, the first of the IA series motors, which eventually evolved into the LZ series in 1990.
Cranking 195 HP and weighing just barely below 1100 kg, the GT2000 Special served as the basis of how Grandeas ended up being over the years, fast, agile, and still practical.
This model is model #0001, owned by Takahashi.
1970 Zenshi GT 310SJZ
The first generation GT was released in 1968, originally intended for racing purposes. When Odani thought of the idea of mass producing the car to the public, Takahashi backed the idea straight away, and right away, it became a success in Japan as Zenshi’s 2+2 sports car.
In 1970, the 310SJ was launched. Powered by the TY31 3.1L V8 engine, the 310SJZ became the first in the GT series of cars to be powered by a V8 engine. While it made only 205 HP compared to american V8 engines, and a subpar amount of torque, at 255 lb-ft, the 310SJZ was still incredibly quick thanks to it’s light weight of 1,156 kg.
While it was very dependent on fuel and not to mention a tad bit expensive, the special V8 powered GT saw a good amount of success in the streets as it did on the racetracks.
This 310SJZ is actually the final model in the production line, owned by the designer of the GT himself.
How far has the legacy gone?
2018 Grandea
The eleventh generation Grandea makes it’s grand appearance on the stage. This generation of the Grandea was actually built on a modified platform of the 2018 Altrea, everything else about it remains completely different.
The Grandea will be powered by a 275 HP 3.0L NA Inline 6, the LZ3-ACE GDME, as the default engine, but has the option of the 373 HP turbocharged version, the LZ3-ACE GDMET.
There is, one more option as well. a 500 HP 3.0L High-Output turbocharged I6, the LZ4-ACE GDMET. This engine is only available on the GTS-30T Type S.
The new Grandea will appear on the showroom floors sometime soon, with an expected base MSRP of $39,500, and with a handful of options, such as a choice of a 6-Speed Manual or 6-Speed DCT, RWD or SM-AWS, and an electronic limited slip differential, which comes standard on the range-topping GTS-30T Type S.
2018 GTZ 5.6R
The eighth generation 2+2 GT, originally released a year ago, makes a comeback in a more vicious looking refresh. Seen on the stage is the performance GTZ 5.6R, which is powered by a 5.6L Twin Turbocharged V8 cranking 608 HP and 612 lb-ft of torque, mated to a 7-Speed Manual. An automatic version will come out outside of Japan for the first time, the GTZ 5.6A, which will come equipped with a 7-Speed DCT. For 2018, the GTZ will come equipped with a rear active aero.
The non Z models will have the choice of either the 300 HP QS25-DGAT turbocharged inline 4, 363 HP LZ7-ME 3.7L Inline 6, or the 4.8L SA48GDA engine.
The release date of the GT is… “soon.” It’s not yet ready, but it has been tested many times to ensure performance perfection.
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Now that is one neat machine.
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Can I just pipe in and say its quite a good looking car regardless of critism…anyway.
over at the DSD stand the cars are being driven away and the information stalls are being packed away…when a drunken Darkshines suddenly turns on the stage P.A grabs a mike and starts ranting about how DSD is moving forward and comimg back from the brink before finally sluring inti the mic " DSD will outsell Saminda in sales even if I have to make hybrids, poxy city cars, kei cars boring hatchbacks whateva I will do it so fuuuu…ggragggh hugggghhhh grghgg ah give me thst back" the mic is wrestled from Darkshines hand by someone in P.R. before Darks is escorted out of his own display and M. Odge quickly grabs the mic apologizes and then tries to downplay the whole episode.
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HELP I DON’T THINK IMMA MAKE IT ON TIME
#SHOW CLOSED
Sorry folks, that’s all we’ve got time for. Daily Round-Up just coming!
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Dude, what. I was literally about to post the Kunai in about ten minutes. 
EDIT: @DeusExMackia I can live with that! 
You can post it, but it won’t be up for voting I’m afraid. Gotta stick to the rules I set out at the start.
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