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Decision on Steam & Stand-Alone Launcher


#21

This decision works for me. Steam is the future. You’ll have many more sales this way once the game is completed.


#22

As an old school gamer and huge fan of automation, I am morally opposed to Steam, Origin, Ubiplay, etc, but I love this game although I do not care about the multiplayer part. So this decision makes me happy and I’m glad we could work out something that satisfies everyone.


#23

May I ask, why do you hate Steam so much? It’s probably one of the best things to ever happen to PC gaming.


#24

A solid solution that should keep everyone satisfied. Well done.


#25

[quote=“Microwave”]

May I ask, why do you hate Steam so much? It’s probably one of the best things to ever happen to PC gaming.[/quote]

I can go to the store in my car, or I can call a limousine and have someone take me there. I have been playing computer games since the early 90s, and I am just fine buying games at the store or online in the mail, and downloading patches from the developer. I also enjoy knowing that as my hardware changes, I can pop in any disc and play my games, not being attached to a service.


#26

[quote=“Driver69”]

May I ask, why do you hate Steam so much? It’s probably one of the best things to ever happen to PC gaming.

I can go to the store in my car, or I can call a limousine and have someone take me there. I have been playing computer games since the early 90s, and I am just fine buying games at the store or online in the mail, and downloading patches from the developer. I also enjoy knowing that as my hardware changes, I can pop in any disc and play my games, not being attached to a service.[/quote]

Nah, game discs are rapidly becoming obsolete. What if the disc breaks? What if you can only use it on one computer? What if that computer then proceeds to break? Why waste money on discs that are more expensive?


#27

In 20 years of gaming and music purchasing I have not had a single disc break except for ones that I purposely wanted to throw out. Maybe people should be careful with things they pay for? All the games with limited installs do allow multiple installs. Computer failures…maybe, although most real PC gamers know what to do to prevent or fix that. Anyway, I will gladly pay an extra $10 to $15 to have a real physical object in my hand, that I truly own and know I can play on any computer, and even if the company that made the game and sold it no longer exists.

Edit: My comments are about gaming in general, I don’t predict anything bad for Camshaft because they are awesome.


#28

[quote=“Driver69”]

In 20 years of gaming and music purchasing I have not had a single disc break except for ones that I purposely wanted to throw out. Maybe people should be careful with things they pay for? All the games with limited installs do allow multiple installs. Computer failures…maybe, although most real PC gamers know what to do to prevent or fix that. Anyway, I will gladly pay an extra $10 to $15 to have a real physical object in my hand, that I truly own and know I can play on any computer, and even if the company that made the game and sold it no longer exists.

Edit: My comments are about gaming in general, I don’t predict anything bad for Camshaft because they are awesome.[/quote]

I used to think I wanted a physical disk, but then it became that DRM meant you needed the disk in the machine to play (unless you sought out no disk hacks). This was not convenient to me as I use a gaming laptop (admittedly it’s getting on a bit now) and I didn’t want to lug around half a dozen disks, or chose in advance what I wanted to play on my journeys.
Also the digital delivery method has helped me re-install games after I have rebuilt my machines. The only games I have forgotten to re-install have been physical disk based. Plus I don’t have to drive anywhere to buy a new game, which is just as well since my local store has gone Console only (not that they had anything worth buying before that)


#29

[quote=“Driver69”]

In 20 years of gaming and music purchasing I have not had a single disc break except for ones that I purposely wanted to throw out. Maybe people should be careful with things they pay for? All the games with limited installs do allow multiple installs. Computer failures…maybe, although most real PC gamers know what to do to prevent or fix that. Anyway, I will gladly pay an extra $10 to $15 to have a real physical object in my hand, that I truly own and know I can play on any computer, and even if the company that made the game and sold it no longer exists.

Edit: My comments are about gaming in general, I don’t predict anything bad for Camshaft because they are awesome.[/quote]

I just cleaned my desk last summer, I found a copy of NFS Underground and the CDs has lot their layers. It didn’t even read. So for me. Having solid copies doesn’t make sense. Most games wont even run on newer machines.
Steam will be around for much longer than the duration of any disc you purchase now.

With Automation you wouldn’t have a physical copy anyway so that argument isn’t valid.


#30

I have something to add.

What if we change our minds? :stuck_out_tongue: Supposing Stram doesn’t want to work, or we just want a taste of nostalgia.


#31

Nope, once you are there you can’t switch back, your original key will be removed in the process.


#32

[quote=“Microwave”]

May I ask, why do you hate Steam so much? It’s probably one of the best things to ever happen to PC gaming.[/quote]

From my point of view, it’s superfluous middleware that alters my computer without asking me and forces a lot of stuff in my face that I hate (achievements, advertisements …)
I am the one who is supposed to decide when I want to install a patch or which. It will be extremely irritating if software auto-updates without asking the user and the update breaks stuff.
And don’t tell me this ain’t going to happen because it does all the time. Like it was already announced that the next version of Automation will not be compatible with older engiones and cars, now what if I want at least a grace period to copy my valuable settings to paper?

P.S hope the launcher will ask before the new update so I have some days left to review data from the current version. As I said I want to copy my settings first and that would be really unprofessional. But to be sure, I’ll probably pull out my ethernet cable until I am finished.


#33

No need to worry, for now. The launcher won’t be updated right now and when it does, it will be business as usual, it will ask if you want the update. And yeah, the big updates pushed by steak will probably break stuff, but those are so rare that you’ll know when they are coming.


#34

Now I am confused. I thought a big update was coming today?


#35

The Steam update is coming today, the update for the standalone launcher is coming around a week later. We would like people to migrate to the Steam version too as it is much more convenient for us to handle.


#36

BurningBridges, as much as I can understand your worries, I’ve had them too in the beginning. However, Steam really allows you to decide yourself which game updates what and when and how. Auto-Updates are merely an option, not a must. And Adveritsements I have not seen in eight years of using Steam, apart from the games, of course, but that’s what Steam is for.

Of course not everything is gold and sunshine with Steam, but the issues have nothing to do with Automation.

If you want to give Steam a chance and enjoy the new Automation version with us today, I would offer you my assistance.


#37

Hat sich erledigt…hier im Persönlichen Bereich, bei Automation wird man fündig…

Has done … here in the personal section, under “Automation” you will find it here …


#38

Ok if the update comes in a week or so that’s all right with me.


#39

I test-installed Steam and read a bit about the topic, what you say is not true. When I go under Properties->Updates->Automatic Updates all I could do is postpone updates until I launch. Steam has deliberately removed the option and updates are mandatory. The reason? Certainly not something that Steam users need to know, for there is no explanation. There is certainly more than a pure technical reason to remove such an option.

It was for this insolence to treat users like under-age children that Steam did not go on my computer when it appeared 10 years ago, and nothing has changed.
By caving in to go with Steam you have installed a second OS that prevents you from deciding what goes on on your computer, specifically with games you are playing.
Not recommended.


#40

I 've just checked out your Steam page and iin the system requirements it’s written that Automation need in Windows Vista or newer. I’m lazy as hell so I still use XP. The last standalone version runs fine on XP - has it changed or I can use the Steam version of the game?