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Holy Toledo Pt 2: Passing the Baton [REVIEWS POSTED]


#1

[size=150]Holy Toledo! (Design Challenge)[/size]

The late 70’s saw new contracts, large and small, for Toledo Ironworks. But times change, and as the 80’s dawn, Toledo has to decide how best to prepare for the future.

Once again they have put out the call to car manufacturers to get a feeling for where their engines fall in the realm of consumer desire. Once again they have made an extensive catalog available, this time with 4 flavors of the old tried-and-true Toledo V6, and 3 displacements of the brand new, technologically advanced Toledo Trivalve 4-cylinder.

Once again, it is time for your engineers and marketing folks to choose what works best for them, and put it on the market.

Does long-standing carburetor technology on a V6 still have a place? Will a small fuel-injected engine win the day? Or will it be somewhere in between?

[size=120]Rules:[/size]

  1. Design year (all trims/tabs must match): 1982.
  2. MUST use one of the engines from the attached ZIP below.
  3. NO modifications to ANY tabs or settings in the engine designer.
  4. May submit up to 2 vehicles, but they must compete in separate categories (see below)
  5. Tires must be quality 0, no semi-slicks.
  6. Limited production body/chassis parts ARE allowed, but ONLY for the Sporty category.
  7. VANILLA CONTENT ONLY. No Steam mods/bodies allowed.

[size=120]Scoring:[/size]
All entries will compete head-to-head against other entries in the same Category (outlined below). The vehicle’s Design Score will be the average of the Competitiveness score for the category’s two main demographics as calculated in the market tabs. This will have a little twist, however. Your scores for BOTH Gasmea and Fruinia will be averaged as well, and the margin depends on which category your submission is competing in. In essence…

Design Score = (((Gasmea Competitiveness A + Gasmea Competitiveness B)/2) + ((Fruinia Competitiveness A + Fruinia Competitiveness B)/2))/2

The top 1-2 competitors in each category will get a full review, with everyone else getting a short blurb.

[size=120]Categories, Markups:[/size]
Each category is graded by its Competitiveness in the following market demographics, at the listed markup.

Sporty: Fun, Sport Budget. 12% markup.
Entry Level: City, Family Budget. 5% markup.
Upscale: Family Premium, Commuter Premium. 15% markup.
Ute: Utility, Offroad. 10% markup.

There will also be one category that doesn’t have a scoring system, and completely subjective. ALL cars are automatically entered into this.

WTF: My personal favorite odd-ball design. Could be something that tries to span too many categories, or something that does exceedingly well in a demographic not listed here.

[size=120]Submission:[/size]

In the Model Name field in the car designer, please put your board nick. In the trim, you may put the model and trim name for your creation. Export the car and PM it to me. In the PM, please give me the manufacturer/model/trim name and the category in which it is going to compete.

Example:
Townsend Tassel 4, Entry Level
Townsend Trigger, Sporty

Submission deadline: Saturday March 12, 12:00:00 pm Pacific Daylight Time (UTC-8h)

[size=150]Accepted Submissions:[/size]
[size=120]Entry Level[/size]
CadillacDave - Bell TLD 1.7E
DeusExMackia - Erin Merna S 1.4 (Concept)
HighOctaneLove - Bogliq Mouse GLi
thecarlover - Solo Toledo Beaver BM
DSPGT - City.com
Squidhead - Noto Minuto

[size=120]Upscale[/size]
DeusExMackia - Erin Berlose Vox 2.9 (Concept)
nerd - Rado Communt Luxury

[size=120]Ute[/size]
CadillacDave - Bell Snowdon
thecarlover - Solo Toledo Yeti 4x4
coolkei - Komodo Gotong Mas

[size=120]Sporty[/size]
nerd - Rado NX V6-S
HighOctaneLove - Bogliq Fox (US model)
dspgt - Coolback Sport
Squidhead - Noto Scorpione

[size=150]Pending Submissions:[/size]

[size=150]Rejected Submissions:[/size]
coolkei - Komodo Globe - Illegal body

[size=120]Basic Engine Data:[/size]
4TV14-SMR - 62 HP, 80 TQ, 26 prod units, 731 material cost
4TV17-SMR - 77 HP, 96 TQ, 26 prod units, 752 material cost
4TV19-SMR - 86 HP, 110 TQ, 26 prod units, 762 material cost
6T29-SMF - 144 HP, 161 TQ, 29 prod units, 1117 material cost
6T29-SQE - 115 HP, 152 TQ, 29 prod units, 941 material cost
6T33-SMF - 158 HP, 180 TQ, 29 prod units, 1129 material cost
6T33-SQE - 132 HP, 170 TQ, 29 prod units, 971 material cost
Toledo Engines.zip (62.1 KB)


Erin and ErinSport - Historical Thread [Erin Tauga Mk1 Touring Car]
Erin and ErinSport - Historical Thread [Erin Tauga Mk1 Touring Car]
#2

taps the mic is this thing on?


#3

I’m afraid to say I completely forgot about this. I’ll start work on a submission :slight_smile:


#4

First official entries are in. C’mon and let’s get more. :slight_smile: This is very similar to the last Holy Toledo challenge, except with more options available. And remember, you can submit up to two entries, as long as they are in different categories!


#5

I don’t know why this hasn’t exploded with entries like part 1, I need someone to compete against


#6

you killed it for me by saying No Steam mods/bodies allowed.


#7

Presenting my entries for this design challenge…

  1. Bogliq Mouse GLi


Taking advantage of tax credits offered by Toledo Ironworks home state; Bogliq Automotive USA presented the American public with a Toledo powered version of their Mouse world car. Although this was done on sound financial grounds, the production development director had a personal friendship with the Toledo Ironworks director dating from when Bogliq USA was struggling to compete in a national US racing series for 5 litre and 2 litre sedans. The help provided by the Toledo director was instrumental in many early Bogliq tuning breakthroughs and the Bogliq director chose to repay this kindness with a large engine supply contract…

  1. Bogliq Fox (USDM)


Another world car re-engined with Toledo power, it was felt that American engines would aid acceptance (and score tax concessions, :laughing: ) with the US buying public. Bogliq Automotive was glad to take on the extra supply of powerplants as they were looking to improve production in ways which shared the wealth among all manufacturers, not just themselves. Bogliq Automotive would merely supply any cars they couldn’t sell to their African division so there was never any major issues of stock over-supply!


#8

To all those who submitted yesterday, I was gone all day yesterday at a hockey tournament for my oldest kid. I will be looking at your entries tonight after work.


#9

Here’s some hopefully not too cheesy eighties advertising!

i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s527/Mackiatoe/sibling%20rivalry_zpsrkfun5fv.jpg

Bit of a story behind these two cars. These were the final pre-production concepts for the Mk 4 Merna and the Mk 1 Berlose, both of which would be released in 1983. Seeing as not everything was quite done yet, they borrowed some engines for testing from Toldeo as they were fairly equivalent to the ones Erin had on the way for the final versions.


#10

Since everyone is posting ads I think I should show what people are up against

This AD took me a whole 5 minutes :laughing:


#11

Love the ads, CadillacDave… :laughing:

So I’m going to have to revisit the submissions again at a later time. My copy of Automation is currently broken, and simply uninstalling and reinstalling is not fixing it right now.


#12

lol cadillacdave

A+ for effort
gr8 m8 i r8 8/8.
but if you do it often enough, it could become a signature of yours…
just saying.

and i suggest trying GIMP or Paint.NET
both are free, and provide better features, but nowhere as complex as photoshop :slight_smile:


#13

[quote=“koolkei”]lol cadillacdave

A+ for effort
gr8 m8 i r8 8/8.
but if you do it often enough, it could become a signature of yours…
just saying.

and i suggest trying GIMP or Paint.NET
both are free, and provide better features, but nowhere as complex as photoshop :slight_smile:[/quote]

I used paint.net for those masterpieces :laughing: I have no idea how to do any of this fancy stuff like what squidhead does


#14

well then. i have no hope of ever doing what asdren or strop or squidhead are doing, at least not in the near future.

then try using simple the simple stuff that looks sophisticated :slight_smile: like gradients background, or outlining highlight.

remember that ad?
that seems simple right?
3 layers, background, car, gradient layer, in that order.

yet that alone almost took me 1 hour to figure out :stuck_out_tongue:


#15

[quote=“koolkei”]well then. i have no hope of ever doing what asdren or strop or squidhead are doing, at least not in the near future.

then try using simple the simple stuff that looks sophisticated :slight_smile: like gradients background, or outlining highlight.
[attachment=0]Zygot XY ad.png[/attachment]

remember that ad?
that seems simple right?
3 layers, background, car, gradient layer, in that order.

yet that alone almost took me 1 hour to figure out :stuck_out_tongue:[/quote]

I’ll probably experiment more in between competition entries, It took me a while working out how to select the whole car with the magic wand tool and now I know how I have just stuck with using it


#16

Alright, got caught up on entries. There’s at least 1 in all categories. Who else wants a piece of this? :smiley:

Oh, also… current engine usage count:

4TV14-SMR - 3 cars
4TV17-SMR - 1 car
4TV19-SMR - 2 cars
6T29-SMF - 2 cars
6T29-SQE - no cars
6T33-SMF - 1 car
6T33-SQE - no cars


#17

Due to today’s patch and how it recalculates Competitiveness, I am allowing anyone who has submitted their cars already to rework and resubmit their entries ONCE. Everyone’s scores changed (in every single case, they went up. In EVERY category).


#18

I’ve noticed that change. I made a cheap family car in 1982 and got 130s-140s in many categories. :laughing: I take it we only go to the “estimate” page and don’t deal with engineering, factories, etc?


#19

You are correct in that.


#20

Rado NX V6-S (Second Generation):

The Second Gen of Rado’s NX entry-level sports car is offered with a V6, like the first gen. This one is offered with the rare option of the Toledo V6 6T33-SMF engine, discontinued and replaced with Rado’s (now much improved) own V6 soon afterwards. Combined with a curb weight of just 2000 lbs thanks to a light weight fiberglass body, it goes 0-60 in 6.3 seconds on to a qtr mile in 14.82 sec at 95 MPH. Inside is cloth seats with a basic stereo, a 5-speed transmission, and 2 seats. An option is a rear seat that is completely useless due to no rear legroom. That wasn’t specified in this model though, so it only has 2. On the outside is an ultra-modern look with a small rear spoiler at the back. The suspension is simple MacPherson struts all around, tuned to be stiff and sporty.