Hot Lap Challenge HLC round 7: wnb V8 SUPERCARS 15.11.2016, 12.00 (noon) CET

Here’s mine. the JHW Colt HPE!

Does this mean our model year can be no lower than 65 or that we can only choose bodies that are between 1965-1970? I hope it’s not the latter as it would be really unpractical to search for these bodies…

bodies between 1965-1970
These are the bodies made between 1965-1970 Exclude anything crossed out as Barth bodies are illegal etc

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I am OK with that, since with eight distinct front-engined body shapes available by 1970, there are enough bodies for the entrants to choose from. But it seems you have not crossed out the bodies that cannot have front-mounted longitudinal engines. And are trucks, vans and SUVs allowed? Finally, the not-Starion vanilla body is actually available from 1975 onwards, not 1970, so it should be excluded as well.

I’m assuming that if it does not appear in the image, then it’s not allowed.

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Well, I just noticed that the CMT Daytona does not fit into here. So I decided to build a completely new car, the Buccaneer. It just felt so … wrong? not to use quality sliders anywhere… Well, it fits the regulations anyway. For better design, I used headlights, letters and license plate from the Steam Workshop. Is this illegal or accepted?

If you’ re ok with it, I ll send you the car.


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Do I spy a van body…?

Yes, that body is offered in 1970, but as this is a muscle challenge, I would not use it.
My car is quite disadvantaged with its body style, as it is too large and heavy on the track, but at least I sent a giant monument of waste into competition. The Buccaneer is priceless as it drives the muscle stereotype really to the top.

90% sure I might have finished an entry :wink:
and yes, it’s still competitive in muscle…

It is legal :slight_smile:

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I’m curious how you arrived at these numbers. The bore of 109mm is 4.291", quite large, but used on some of the larger big blocks. The stroke should be better matched, however, as 87mm which is only 3.425", is quite small for such a large bore, and is only used on small blocks. In fact, 89mm isn’t even large enough to create the most dominant small block of all time, the Chevrolet 350, which sits at 3.480" on stroke. My point is, not even a 400 small block can be created with these dimensions, and most real-world big blocks cannot be replicated either. The capacity of the largest engine possible with this limitation is only 6.5L or ~396 cubic inches, and as such, is a very very very oversquare engine. Either the dimensions should support big blocks, or small blocks, but not use big block bores with small block strokes.

Some examples of big block motors (bore x stroke):

Chevy 454: 108x100 (4.251x3.937)
Chevy 427: 109.5x93 (4.312x3.650)
Chevy 409: 109.5x88.9 (4.312x3.500)
Chevy 402: 104.7x95.5 (4.124x3.760)
Chevy 396: 104x95.5 (4.094x3.760)
Chevy 348: 104.8x82.6 (4.125x3.250)

Chrysler B350: 103x85.7 (4.060x3.375)
Chrysler B361: 104.7x85.7 (4.125x3.375)
Chrysler B383: 107x85.7 (4.210x3.375)
Chrysler B400: 110.3x85.7 (4.342x3.375)
Chrysler RB383: 102.4x95.3 (4.031x3.750)
Chrysler RB426: 108x95.3 (4.25x3.750)
Chrysler RB440: 110x95.3 (4.320x3.750)

Ford 429: 110.7x91.2 (4.360x3.590)
Ford 460: 110.7x97.8 (4.360x3.850)
Ford 508: 112.3x105.2(4.420x4.140)

I guess, my point is, what exactly are you expecting to see? below 400ci is hardly a big block, but the bore limit will make the block huge as if it were a big block. I would suggest stroke be limited to 95.3 at a minimum with the suggested bore size, or the bore size should be reduced to 101.6 if you’re looking for small block motors. The dimensions suggested by you are going to be terribly short-stroked motors with enormous blocks and low displacements. These are supposed to be muscle cars, so take the concept of small European engines and throw it right out the window. These are low-weight cars (for the era) with high-displacement engines!

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WOW! You deserve :hearts: for the documentation process alone. But if @Darkshine5 changes his mind and the rules I’m gonna take that back.

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@07CobaltGirl and gentlemen,

It is my pleasure to present you the Apulum Velox

Soundtrack:Demon Speeding Rob Zombie

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I must say that I hate the fact that i had to put visible headlights on this thing. IMO it would had looked a lot better with hidden light, like the Charger R/T

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I actually like the looks of this thing better with exposed headlights; it looks more like a '69 Camaro that way, with C3 Stingray taillights (and an extra pair of 'em for good measure)!

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Well I, of course, will be recycling my 1976 BRC entry (which is modeled from the 67 Z/28. It is already posted over there, but this one will feature the correct OHV small block 302, unless I can figure out how to build a proper 396 big block. Sure, I could just max out the sliders for the bore/stroke, but it would not be correct numbers and would simply drive me insane.

@RaduST you know there are ways to make hidden headlights, right? And…is that a 392 under the hood?

Same here, as I usually draw a line with 4" bore being small block and any 4.20" or larger bore being big block (as based on American V8s) The stroke is on the small side, as some small blocks had up to a 3.75" stroke [chevy 400 sb => 4.125" bore, 3.75" stroke]

…Actually, the dimensions for the 400 sbc would be a perfect max displacement to use for this challenge! (if you wanted to change it)

The NMC Sunburst was just another full-size family car, until the racing division turned it into a circuit racer by retrofitting a 7.2-liter overhead-valve V8 developing over 400 bhp in race trim, stripping out the interior and retuning the suspension for better on-track performance.

Incredibly, even this dedicated racing version is still extremely competitive in Gasmea’s crowded muscle car segment with markups included.

I think it should go a bit higher, personally. He mentioned seeing smaller big blocks, but they’re all big blocks if we are required to use those specific block caps for bore/stroke. As such, it is likely most all of the engines will be between 375 and 396 cubic inches. I think it would be nice to see the 429 vs 427 matchup, and the RB426 (which isn’t the same engine as the 426 Hemi, but for Automation purposes it would be) would be nice to see in there as well. 440s, 454s, 455s, and 460s would also be nice, but they would make the blocks so much bigger. Of course, obviously engines are not limited to real world creations, but some of us do like to bring the real world into our companies.

winks

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Ok so I arrived at those numbers looking for a very short stroke with large bore as that is what my company uses in the game. And I was looking at the DeSota first gen hemis for isnpiration which had a max displacement of 392ci.

However I will change the bore/stroke. I am prepared to change the number to replicate Dodge 426 Hemi/Chrysler RB440 at 110.0mm/95.0mm

With that in mind, I created a new engine family with the correct dimensions, assigned it to my entry and submitted the updated version to you.

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OoooK. More Power! :grinning: