The Car Shopping Round (Round 64): Tears in Heaven

To be fair, the Micron is geared with a little overdrive in that 5th gear, and 6 would have put me over the budget. That being said, it is more a city car with an attitude problem than a sports car.

And, as well, congrats to the winner!

I had some good fun building a shitbox for this competition.
Congratulations Dragawn!

I like to give the bad/weird options.

that means I’ll never win.

I am good at game.

Congratulations Dragawn on an excellent entry and I hope you’re basking in the glory of sweet, sweet victory! :smiley:

Can’t wait to see what shenanigans Dragawn will have for us next round, :laughing: :sunglasses: :ugeek:

Always so close… I need to up my game next round :stuck_out_tongue: Congrats to Dragawn!

Very happy to be the winner of this round and to sell my car to 8bs! Thanks 8bs for all the reviews, must have taken awhile, and cheers to all fellow competitors, this tight budget sure was tough on everyone I think.
Anyhow, speaking of reviews, I’m not the most outspoken or detailed person, but I’ll try my hardest to give plenty of content as host for this round, although bear with me if the judging may take longer than a single day.

[size=200]Old vs Older[/size]

So, the year is 2017 and I’m looking to get my first car after years of saving up, I’m still a student, but soon I’ll graduate and have to get a job. I’d love to have a fun to drive, sporty car that can hold its own on a track, while being comfortable and “torque-y” enough to enjoy cruising with. I don’t need a very practical car yet, two seater is perfectly fine, although it would be nice, whilst entirely optional, to be able to transport atleast a small ikea building kit for when I need something in my dorm, or be able to carry a suitcase or two to go on holidays with.
However, as a young driver under the age of 25, insurance companies are a nightmare to deal with if you want anything sporty, and fuel costs can be killer.
Also a possibly important note for this challenge: nearly all forms of tuning are forbidden where I live (Belgium), thus you should assume that I won’t be able to alter the car.

[size=150]Approach 1:[/size]
A nice used car of 2010-2012 (model and trim year), depreciated enough to be affordable. This means a market price of roughly 22.000 Automation moneys as new (including profit margin).
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]With the insurance companies it’s safe to assume that they’ll be near impossible to deal with if I’d want to insure something that has over 160 hp, lower hp certainly will be appreciated when judging due to being cheaper to insure./]
]As you may have deducted the introduction, driveability and sportiness matter to me a lot./:m]
]Next to them lap times around Circuit Zolder (the nearest race track) do matter, although lap times matter less to me than the car being fun both on the edge and during the daily grind./:m]
]The car should be pretty reliable, I don’t want to visit a garage too often, let alone the wheels coming off if I take the car to a trackday or autotest, especially engine reliability* matters to me, rustproofing does too considering it’s an used car./:m]
]Keep it comfortable, although young I don’t have the greatest back anymore, having a snug driving position with some music and a suspension that doesn’t murder my spine on every bump is what I’m looking for./:m]
]Safety should be above 40 in case I fck up./
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]Please do keep the tyre dimensions* quite realistic, Automation allows for some crazy low tyre profiles, but try to keep it above 40./*:m]
]Loudness below roughly 35, I wouldn’t want to wake the neighbourhood up if I get home late./:m]
]Last but definitely not least: low running costs, especially still as student they’re important. Fuel economy of 7.5L/100km or below is key /:m][/ul]

[size=150]Approach 2:[/size]
An older sportscar from 1987-1991 (model and trim year), once again needs to be depreciated enough to be affordable, I estimate that this means roughly 34.000 Automations moneys as new with profit margin included.
This is a lot harder to convince me with, thus the more risky approach, it probably can’t be my daily driver anymore once I get a job, and I will have to find another solution for that then, thus I won’t be able to enjoy the car as much. However, if the car turns out to be a dream, it can be worth the sacrifice.
Same preferences as approach 1 asides for these differences:
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]Being older than 25 years, a car can be registered as “oldtimer” here in Belgium. With its own specialized insurers, who are significantly less trouble to deal with, although they still probably wouldn’t want to insure a youngster with a car that exceeds the 0.2 HP/KG mark, lower hp will certainly be appreciated when judging due to being cheaper to insure./:m]
]reliability is very important, as is environmental resistance. The car will have seen abuse over the years, yet mustn’t let me down (too often)./:m]
]comfort is less important, although it still would be nice for it to be comfortable enough for a holiday/trackday trip./:m]
]practicality can fully be neglected now./:m]
]Not being my daily driver, the fuel economy can be worse, although preferably not above 11L/100km/:m][/ul]

Feel free to ask if something is unclear :slight_smile:
The deadline is 13 Feb at Automation midnight, I’ll try my best to get the results out at the 14th.

Entries accepted and reviewed:
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]carskick/:m]
]Vri404/:m]
]Leonardo9613/:m][/ul]

Entries accepted:
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]thecarlover/:m][/ul]

Also, I included the files of the Dragotec Sagitta from last round, if someone wishes to take a look.

[size=65]EDIT: being the first to share my car while this round having similarities with the previous definitely isn’t my one of my best diplomatic moves, I didn’t intend this to be used for this round, but merely for possibly educational/legitimacy purposes. Although ofcourse you’re entirely free to go modern MR if you do so desire.[/size]
Dragawn - Dragotec Sagitta.zip (97.5 KB)

With the way I work, what is the translation for fuel economy in km/L?

(I’m too lazy to change it.)

According to google, 11L is 21.4 MPG and 7.5 is 31.4 MPG.

EDIT: Removed quotation realizing he was asking for km/L.
Useful for anyone in the USA though.

7.5 l/100 km translates to 13.33 km/l and 11 l/100 km translates to 9.09 km/l :wink:

Sooo, rough translation from l/100km to km/l is about
20(km/l)-…(l/100km)

Anyway, congrats dragawn.

I was so close, soo close. Being a bit too afraid of over budgeting made me lost it. Thus the spfi engine. At the cost at fuel economy. Im sure i could’ve done better with at least mpfi.

Its also shocking how much di+vvl+turbo on a budget car. Also given the turbo and vvl reliability penalty, i just given up on turbo completely

20 km/l is exactly 5 l/100 km. You can enter the values into google to get conversions, though the l/100 km has to be entered without spaces. Basically, google “20 km/l in l/100km” and you get your answer. Most of the conversions can be done there, though hp/Nm and kW/ft-lb conversions aren’t available.

The 2012 Needle Production Cars Burleigh HardHead.

The Ad in the classifieds goes as follows, and translated from Belgian into English:

[quote]

-One Owner, Had Since New
-Former Import from the UK
-No Issues with car, just need to downgrade.
-Runs a 501hp Turbo’d Inline 6
-We got it to lap Zolder in 1:55.
-Took to Autobahn and got her up to 310km/h
-supposedly does 8.26km/l
-17,000 o.n.o.

Contact Dave on [Covered] or Anna on [Covered]
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Edit: Changed pricing, as I realised that It’s still miles too expensive.

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Welcome to the Solo Motors Certified Used Car lot! Based on what you’ve been telling me, I have just the car for you…

The 2010 Solo Hare NM-4T, our mid-engined light sports car! Let me assure you that this single owner car has just been detailed and serviced to be as good as new, so consider this a bargain “new” car. It’s also a very reliable model, so while it is 7 years old, it can easily last you many more years with nothing more than regular maintenance. Firstly, the simple yet sporty design will make people think this is a much more expensive car than it is. It’s looks like an Alfa Romeo 4C or even , but it only cost 21,945 new! The quite high-tech for 2010 LED headlights and taillights keep this car stylish, even now in 2017. Open the butterfly doors, à-la McLaren, and inside you’ll find premium leather finishes, a standard stereo, and standard safety features. Extra care was put into these leather seats to assure support on the track and comfort for long drives. The trunk also has 255L of cargo space, so you’ve got enough room for some luggage there as well as in the small cargo space behind the seats. ABS, traction control, ESV, all are included and all can be disabled for use on the track. If you’d prefer a more vibrant colour than Dark Stormy Night, we also have an identical model in Lava Red currently being detailed. Or if you’re the more mysterious type, we have a Piano Black example on another lot I could have brought it.

Alright, I digress, let us return to the specs. It’s got an AHS steel frame, all aluminium body, double wishbone air suspension all around with adaptive dampers and active sway bars. The tires are your standard medium compound, 195 mm wide on 17" alloy wheels. It’s easy to get a sportier set on there for the track, so if you’re interested I could also show you our line of sport tires. Right, back to the car. For this low price, you have both a rear diffusor and active wing. That’s right, an active wing on a budget sports car, as well as cooling flaps and a fully clad underbody, all allowing very low drag for improved speed and fuel economy. All four wheels have vented disc brakes that will stop you from 100 km/h in 33.5 m with no brake fade!

Now, for the important features… The engine is an AlSi 20 valve DOHC 1.8L turbocharged inline-4 producing 226.4 Nm at 3500 rpm and 150 hp at 6300 rpm. Perfect for avoiding high insurance costs, right? And since the car weighs less than 1.2 tonnes, this is more than adequate. This is paired to a 6 speed single clutch sequential transmission driving the rear wheels. 0-100 km/h takes 6.7 seconds, top speed is 227 km/h, and it still manages 6.8 l/100 km If you ever decide to make the trip to the Nürburgring, be assured that the Solo Hare NM-4T can take you around the track in the low 9 minutes on the stock tires, and it could be even lower with one of the sportier sets of tires that I mentioned. It was also taken around the Top Gear test track in 1:29.77, faster than a Subaru Impreza STI, Porsche 911 Turbo, BMW M3, just to name a few.

So, are you ready for a test drive?

So you want a small, economical sports car? I can show you this Baltazar…

The 2011 Baltazar Zeppelin is the perfect car for a young driver who wants to have fun behind the wheel in an affordable and economical package, with it’s under $20,000 starting price and 16.3 km/l (6.13 l/100km) combined fuel economy. It is also perfect for the rational buyer, considering it’s outstanding reliability, low insurance costs and less than 70 emissions. However, it is a car mainly for enthusiasts who will love the mid-engined layout, all aluminium construction and sub 1100 kg kerb weight. It can also appeal for the seeking comfort, especially with the leather seats and standard CD/MP3 connectivity, the 16" wheels with 50 profile tyres and road-tuned passive suspension, and the quiet 1.95 DOHC all-aluminium engine, which can provide 140 hp, enough to get this light car to 100 in 6.9s and onto a top speed of 230 kph.

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lol dragawn. i could literally just slap another muffler on my last car here and call it done and it would do at least decently well :slight_smile:

but of course im not gonna do that :slight_smile:

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[quote=“koolkei”]lol dragawn. i could literally just slap another muffler on my last car here and call it done and it would do at least decently well :slight_smile:

but of course im not gonna do that :slight_smile:[/quote]

Yeah, the timing is unfortunate since I’ve been wanting to do a challenge like this for awhile now, but you’ve got nearly twice or even thrice the budget as the previous challenge, so I suggest you put that extra money to good use :wink:

In 2010, the Storm Breeze was quite the car. Four seats, punchy V6, double wishbone suspension. Came off the factory floor at $22,365.

[quote]Selling: 2010 Storm Breeze



Personal car, used for business. Looking to sell. No space in garage after getting a new car.


I am the first owner, have had the car since the minute it left the assembly line. Bought in Belgium as a business car.
Low miles, well maintained, service history kept in glove compartment.
Current fuel economy reading is at 7.0 L/100km.
Power sliding rear doors still function smoothly, as does the electric trunk release.
V6 with EcoFire technology, last tested at 157 HP.
All Wheel Drive model
Six-Speed Manual.
Shadow Blue High Gloss factory paint.


Want: $14k or best offer.
Contact (phone number) if interested.
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Hey kid, don’t bother with these new plastic cars, come check out this classic Centauri. It’s a supercar baby! 0-60 in under 5 seconds, and just look at that body, not a scrap of rust.


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Sitting down watching some Youtube and you are interrupted by a local Bogliq dealer ad…

Looking for a smooth, sultry ride that’ll impress your friends yet still be cheap to own? Tired of buying sportscars that make an Alfa Romeo GTV6 look reliable?

Well we have the car for you! Presenting the 2012 Bogliq Fox Touring…


With the classic approach to vehicle design and engineering that Bogliq is famous for, the Fox is swift, sophisticated and subtle.


But don’t be fooled by the quality, Bogliq hasn’t forgotten value for money. The Fox is a Bogliq world car which means that high volume of sales allow us to pass the savings
on to you, our loyal and valued customers. Priced at just over $22k AU’s, the Bogliq Fox won’t break the bank yet never feels like travelling coach!


Do yourself a favour and buy a Bogliq Fox today!!!

I would propose you to take a look at the Revera R270. Made in 1991 you can insure and register at as a classic car. The Revera R270 was made to compete against those sporty VW Beetles, so its fast but also usable as a daily driver and reliable.

It features a 4.0L V8 producing 275HP, nothing crazy even for 1991. Thats because Revera took that engine straight from its premium saloon at the time, meaning its a proven and solid engine. And even if something breaks, finding parts is relatively easy.

The chassis and panels are made from corrosion resistant steel so rust is not an issue.

It was designed as a daily driver so it features a nice premium interior, advanced safety, and has a fuel economy of 9.5L per 100km. Even for today’s standards thats a very good fuel economy for 4.0 liter V8.

And, its fast. 4.7 seconds from 0 to 100km/h. Top speed: over 260km/h.