The Car Shopping Round (Round 64): Tears in Heaven

There is yet around 4h left, right?

Yes you have about 2 hours to goā€¦ Iā€™m not sure which time zone that is and why he picked that.

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I wonā€™t even bother koolkei to receive my entry, just checked some cars and mine isnā€™t even close.

The competition here is really hard! :no_mouth:

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Slight grammar error in there, I think he meant if you donā€™t have a muffler the penalty to comfort will make the car less desirable.

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I was going to join, but i just dont have the time :disappointed:

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Yeah, no time to make something good enough.

In 1982, the first Adenine Asante sparked Adenineā€™s entrance into international markets. Over 30 years later, the 2013 Asante keeps the tradition alive: a compact hatchback, powered by a small-displacement turbo-six, with a surprising level of refinement for the price.

Oh, and what might that price be?

$8,400.

Youā€™re welcome.

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I ran into the exact same problemā€¦ but the conclusion to CSR31 was so farcical, and the subsequent hosting debacle for the current round so messy, that I just didnā€™t feel like entering this round.

Yes, thanks for sharing that, for like the third time in ten days.

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okay i havenā€™t received yours yet.

also since i didnā€™t specify which timezone it was (derp). i guess i could still allow entries.

but only up to when i say stop, because iā€™m gonna release the results. which if i donā€™t procrastinate too much, should be this very night.

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Damn, thatā€™s a sharp looking compact! Iā€™m liking how your keeping that brand consistency even right down to that near-fanatical devotion to the inline six.

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Inline six is king.

Adenine inline six is godly.

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okay guys. thatā€™s enough chances for late entry. iā€™m posting in a few hours at the latest

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The koolkeiā€™s got a lot of kool kars, but just one is a kool kei, awwww yeeeah!

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sorry. I had to. For public service :joy:

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in no particular order. (because the order was messed up because of entry problems, and i canā€™t be bothered to mess with it :stuck_out_tongue: )


@Madrias - Minerva Majesty:

First impression :
ITā€™S FREAKING PURPLE
though itā€™s not bad looking but i also get a feeling that this is a wagon trying to be a minivan

  • itā€™s a V8
  • itā€™s using a infamiliar Technology : Direct injection*
  • not-so-useful high-flow cats
  • also useless Viscous LSD. we donā€™t have any winter here, and it doesnā€™t have that much power
  • a not so beneficial full clad undertray
  • 0 driver aids, not even the free power steering
  • pretty amazing economy (25.61km/l)
  • running cost are lower than average
  • seems to be quite reliable (81.7)

Verdict:
itā€™s not a bad car. just not sensible enough.

remember that this is a 3rd world nation. new technology is accepted very late here. if you take it to a dealer, itā€™s fine, but if you need to take it to a 3rd party garage, itā€™s gonna cost more because not every garage has a mechanic that understands Direct injection yet. and those who do, is pretty likely to charge more.


@szafirowy01 - Griffa Aurion 1.2 ES :

First Impression:
itā€™s all kind off pretty O_O. i really like it.

  • too much cost cutting visible even from the exterior
  • i6??? (not sure itā€™s a bad thing)
  • why long tubular exhaust? thatā€™s expensive
  • not-so-useful high-flow cats (again)
  • a not so beneficial full clad undertray (again)
  • 88.3HP (although at the redline)
  • Power Steering and ABS are present
  • a good fuel economy rating
  • acceptable cargo space and running costs
  • pretty Easy to drive (68 Drive)

Verdict:
cutting costs on the pretty important stuff to put it on other stuff that is not very useful is not a very good design decision


@Normanvauxhall - Znopresk Zen :

First Impression:
THAT HEADLIGHT. looks too big for the body. other than that. itā€™s not bad.

  • another not-so-useful high-flow cats
  • Power Steering and ABS are available

Verdict:
a car so perfectly sensible that it doesnā€™t have any major flaw, but also doesnā€™t have much selling point to it.


@Rk38 - Maesima Devina Ruca XZ :

First Impression :
this is an old car disguising itself to be a new car (2002 model - 2013 trim). but looks wise, itā€™sā€¦ proper-ish. looks a bit sporty even

  • running costs are rather high
  • forged internals paired with Low Friction cast piston are just asking too much from the piston. gonna have reliability penalty
  • BAAAAAAD quality interiors and infotainment system
  • itā€™s cheap @ $10080 and
  • it looks pretty good

Verdict:
Except for the engine internal design, and the interior itā€™s mostly sensible design choices.


@Conan - Trim 1??:
(either automation didnā€™t save the name, or he forgot to name it)

First Impression :
Looks pretty okayā€¦ from the front at least, the rear are pretty bland. and the paint are also not helping

  • Direct Injection + only average running costs
  • No Power steering or any driver aids
  • another one of these not-so-useful high-flow cats
  • Good fuel economy (21.92km/l)
  • High reliability (82.8)
  • not much cost cutting anywhere, which is good.

Verdict:
canā€™t really say much. itā€™s a good car.


@HighOctaneLove - Boqliq Patriarch SE :

First Impression :
Itā€™s the usual boqliq blueeeeee. but other than that. itā€™s a cheap jeep-alike. but itā€™s quiteā€¦ good-looking, manly? dunno about that.

  • Really high running costs
  • Cast Iron V6 SOHC 4 valve. a little bit too complex and too much parts.
  • Direct Injection but high running cost
  • again with these Long Tubular Headers
  • for a utility based car build, the gearing are all wrong. way too high and too short.
  • no driver aids whatsoever.
  • Super high reliability Rating (83.2)
  • Cargo Space are Huge

.# Ladder Chassis? and a good one at that it seems
.# Has VVL
.# No Low Friction piston but instead Lightweight Forged

Verdict :
Trading those complicated Long header for short cast headers and then getting a power steering installed wouldā€™ve been a better idea


@lordvader1 ā€“ Cititogo :

First Impression

front looks really dated, but rear end looksā€¦ acceptable. But nowhere near good-looking.

  • Direct Injection, and the engine feels really restricted.
  • you know what I think about full undercladding by now.
  • Standard Feature Interior. Nice.
  • Power Steering is here.
  • Fuel economy is certainly pretty good
  • Cargo Volume is pretty large. Surprisingly
  • Running Costs are also very significantly lower than average.

.# Plain Steel construction car again
.# Rear brakes are somewhy super big

Verdict :
actually a Great car with sensible designsā€¦ now if only they outsourced the looks department.


@dracoautomations - vuvuvuwewewewewew :
(i screwed the name up. whatever, iā€™m not going to type that name letter per letter, sorry. itā€™s just as gibberish anyway)

First Impression:
Everything is big, and heavy. it looks and has the character just like an obese person. though i kinda like a back end a bit.

  • full plain steel chassis and panel material sure itā€™s cheap, but thereā€™s much better things in value today.
  • alumunium blocks? why not the lighter AlSi or the cheaper Cast Iron?
  • Direct Injection with the running cost a bit high
  • the gearing feels so short.
  • silent Engine because of the double reverse flow instead of the usual double baffled of the competitors
  • although a cheap one, it has a standard Feature Interior
  • does have Power Steering (it should be free wonder why arenā€™t more people using it)
  • FANCEH semi-active Sway bars

Verdict:
the only thing thatā€™s bad about this one comes from 1 source. itā€™s way too heavy @ 1.2 tons+


@Lordred ā€“ LHE Astonish Mk 1.5 :

First Impression
how did an early 90s car got here?

  • full on heavy Corrosion Resistant Steel. Not really needed. This is a car that will be dumped within 10 years or so.
  • Direct Injection. Bad bad bad bad. Good.
  • interior and infotainment systems seems a bit too cheap.
  • Semi Trailing Arms on the rear means full independent suspension
  • Cargo Volume is pretty impressive.

.# No overdrive Gear?

Verdict :
seems old, uses old tech. But is new. Good, but confusing.


@CadillacDave - Horyuji Kesan 1.0E:
(Kesan ā†’ Impression in Indonesia)

First Impression:
it looksā€¦ ASIANā€¦ not that itā€™s a bad thing, but just feels like it has a lot of asian influence in itā€™s exterior design. but itā€™s actually not bad looking.

  • Cargo Volume are a bit on the smaller side
  • an expensive Direct injection system although with significantly lower Running cost
  • more hidden potential from the engine
  • no radio/entertainment system
  • only single baffled muffler, so itā€™s gonna be a bit noisy
  • $10460 so itā€™s cheap ($9960 + $500 ABS)
  • VERY Efficient (23.37km/l)
  • ABS available
  • Good Quality Transmission

.# why 2 valve DOHC instead of 4 valves?
.# you have some fuel octane rating left to be used

Verdict:
Great, but have the potential to be even greater


@Leonardo9613 - Yucatan Santaka :

First Impression:
it looks really good, and clean. itā€™s just that the color is frankly a bit icky for me.

  • another one of these alu blocks engine. itā€™s neither cheap or light. why?
  • Manual Locker differential ?!?!?! why? what for? this thing is a city car, it will barely see any dirt in itā€™s life
  • donā€™t really need that full clad undertray.
  • Safety is just barely above the required standard.
  • simple MPFI system
  • HUGE cargo space
  • 7 seater
  • Really Reliable (82.4)
  • only Costs $10680

Verdict:
except for a few choices that could be taken out because itā€™s not very useful. it would benefit from an ABS system, and better safety after those things are thrown out. otherwise, itā€™s a pretty serious contender here.


@EnryGT5 - Seishido Acta G 1.2 :

First Impression :
itā€™sā€¦ unique. the look isnā€™t really my taste, but itā€™s stillā€¦ good looking, kinda. also a LITTLE bit on the sportier side

  • cargo space slightly on the smaller side
  • is using Direct injection
  • 79.8hp, although at redline.
  • Does have Power Steering
  • Running Costs slightly below the average
  • @ $10560 means quite some left over budget left.
  • Seems one of these super reliable ones. (82.0)
  • pretty impressive economy too (22.48km/l)

.# 1 baffled and 1 reverse flow mufflers. why the mix?
.# engine overcooled quite significantly. a bit more than double. a bit of a waste once you go over double imo, but itā€™s okay i guess.

Verdict :
too much smaller details to note, and are not too significant, so itā€™s perfectly acceptable


@oppositelock - GSI Krakatoa :
(Krakatoa/Krakatau the volcano between the island Java, and Sumatera, that erupted in mid 19th century, which vulcanic dust have been recorded on the literal other side of the world)

First Impression :
uuuuuuuuuh okay??
the colors are low gloss cartoon puke green. why would they choose it? even plain white of black wouldā€™ve been better. and it also not ugly, but isnā€™t exactly attractive either.

  • Cargo space is small
  • Running costs is absurdly high
  • Direct Injection
  • absurdly overpowered front brakes without any ABS. itā€™s a danger
  • no infotainment system
  • uuuh turbo anyone?
  • highest power in class @ 114hp
  • at least they said yes to power steering
  • also good standard feature interior, except for the infotainment system.

.# Cast iron block but AlSi head? what exactly would you get from sacrificing that reliability?
.# SUPER wide tires @ 195mm

Verdict :
this is the sleeper car on the field. it certainly does NOT look like itā€™s a fast car, but it is. comparatively.


@JohnWaldock - JHW Gamelan :
(Gamelan is a traditional music genre that originated somewhere in java. (donā€™t remember where, iā€™m bad at history stuff))

First Impression :
this is a hot hatchback from the late 90s / early 00s trying to disguise itself as a modern budget car. but does the look justice in itā€™s own right though.

  • Cargo space is somehow even more cramped than the last car which was already small
  • forged internals + low friction cast piston are a bad mix, and are asking too much out of the piston.
  • Direct Injection with only average Running Costs
  • 96.2HP through these hard and super tiny tires @ 145mm? youā€™re asking for trouble
  • Add to that, the front brakes isnā€™t even strong enough to lock the front wheels
  • 96.2HP although, again, at the redline
  • Double Reverse Flow mufflers means itā€™s gonna be silent compared to the competitors
  • normal quality Basic interior. which is relatively good
  • also normal quality Basic Infotainment System, which is also good
  • has power steering at least.
  • actually the fuel economy isnā€™t even bad (21.03km/l)

.# itā€™s a problem of engineering decisions. multiple of them.

Verdict:
just as it looks itā€™s a hot hatch back wanting to go fast, but is trying to hold itself back and disguising itself as a cheap car. with pretty abysmal consequences


@Denta - Chetan RS :
(the name feels like a play on the indonesian word ā€˜Setanā€™. which is usually used in our everyday language to say something that is demonly fast)

First Impression:
looks sporty, and looks asian. but is simple and clean. i kinda like it.

  • the fuel economy is not that much higher than the required minimum while not offering much advantage
  • itā€™s so heavy @ 1150Kg while not being that big, or offering too much cargo space (another full plain steel construction car)
  • Running costs are also a bit on the higher side
  • engine seems really rough, both on feel and sound (-9 on internals, -12 on exhaust)
  • Direct Injection
  • Why the viscous LSD??
  • hey, itā€™s been a while there, full clad undertray.
  • HORRIBLE interior. (-12 standard interior, -11 basic infotainment system)
  • At least itā€™s safe thanks to that weight, and safety features
  • also power steering exists, at least.

Verdict:
Looks good, but really isnā€™t.


@thecarlover - CM Nanaimo B5 :

First Impression :
another green car, itā€™s pretty good looking at that. the front is pretty, the rear isā€¦ sporty but still looks good.

  • Basic Safety Features, and it seems like they skimped a little bit on it.
  • it doesnā€™t have anything complex or too advanced installed
  • car is rather light
  • Basic Interior with plenty of nifty small quirks inside
  • Power Steering
  • Cheap @ $9960

.# uhhh 2 valves DOHC??

Verdict :
(almost) everything is sensibly good. which is what i am looking for at the start


@HowlerAutomotive - Gnoo Familight:

First Impression:
iā€™m not a big fan of the color choice. also the choices of fixtures areā€¦ ugh (trypophobia). at least on the front. on the back areā€¦ okay.

  • 1L i6 + 5 Valve DOHC + direct injection = overly complex engine
  • 4 speed manual???
  • uneccesary full cladding
  • BAD infotainment system
  • semi active swaybars (because cost)
  • not as safe as the others.
  • semi active swaybars (because itā€™s good anyway)
  • Amazing efficiency (28.74km/l)
  • magically big cargo space for the size of the car
  • Impressive Low running cost ($1250)
  • stunningly low price ($9480)

.# wanted to say 145mm is too thin, but itā€™s only 729kg, so itā€™s within the realm of ā€œacceptably thinā€-ish

Verdict :
if you can ā€˜lookā€™ beyond the exterior, youā€™ll find bliss in owning it


@Mythrin - Versal Nurelo :

First Impression:
it looks unfinished. everything looks so empty. letā€™s just hope the car isnā€™t empty too

  • the cost cutting in chassis is pretty visible if you look close enough
  • Alu block again. iā€™m guessing people are balancing cost and weight? at least trying to?
  • tubular exhaust?
  • the front brake isnā€™t even strong enough to lock the front tires. ABS? a mostly useless cost adding feature for this particular car
  • also no Power Steering
  • the interior and infotainment feels and looks super cheap
  • Simple and common MPFI system, a good quality one
  • good quality transmission
  • car is light, so economy is rather good (21.4km/l)

Verdict :
itā€™s a great car for a newcomer, but frankly, still has quite a bit to go.
(although itā€™s somewhat a feat you managed to fit that amount of quality points in the budget)


@TheElt - EB:

First Impression:

itā€™s happy yellow colored, but it looks so sadā€¦ what was the designer on when they made this?

  • one of this ā€œWHY NOT?ā€ car. with a V12. longitudinally mounted
  • Long Tubular, the already expensive part meets the expensive engineā€¦
  • Suspension is slightly too soft, or car too low. definitely going to scrape when itā€™s full
  • car is so heavy (1150KG)
  • Interior is standard quality basic features.
  • at Least it does have Power Steering
  • holy freaking shit the cargo spaceā€¦ take out the middle seats and it can be turned into a hearse that can carry 2 coffins (1330L, compared to literally no one else is above the 1000L mark). as long as you modify the rear suspension

.# Engine is mounted Longitudinally
.# but is still Front wheel drive
.# also the only one with Solid Axle Leaf Suspension (so far)

Verdict:
yes we asked for a large boot. but this is just overkill for a family city car.


@gridghost - Scarab Flare :

First Impression:
WOAH DEJA VUā€¦ (look up CadillacDaveā€™s car again) except the rear end is a bit more occupied.

  • Direct Injection + Turbo + Performance intakeā€¦ thatā€™s just asking for trouble on this dirty, humid and hot ambient air.
  • Front Brakes are not powerful enough to lock front tires.
  • as expected of a turbo car. the Running Costs are way too high
  • full Independent suspension type (semi trailing arm on the rear)
  • since itā€™s a turbo, it does have the torque on around the mid range.
  • Power Steering exists here.

.# again with the alu blocks
.# uhh economy tuned turbo but no low friction cast and still uses overkill forged internals. a mismatch of design decisions.
.# single baffled mufflers only, but because thereā€™s a turbo, itā€™s not THAT much more noisy
.# 5th gear isnā€™t exactly an overdrive gear (out of 5 gears)

Verdict:
Itā€™s a good one, but doesnā€™t offer as good of a value


@FindRED19 - Mighty Green Fist :

First Impression :
the looks confuses me. everything is so smaaaaalll
except for the headlight and taillight. why?

  • not very noticeable, but if you look real close, thereā€™s a clear corner cutting on the chassis build.
  • i hope this is one of the last ā€œJUST BECAUSEā€ car build with a V8 (1.18L Pushrod V8 to be exact)
  • and of course, to meet the economy requirements, Direct Injection system is required.
  • Holy JEEBUS. 205mm Wide Tiresā€¦
  • no Power Steering for a car this heavy (1070KG)
  • Running Costs are too high, while fuel economy is not much above the required limit
  • normal Quality Standard Interior

Verdict :
JUST BECAUSE you can =/= itā€™s gonna be good


@4LGE - Taore Z-Pinch:

First Impression
did they like the Honda Zest so much that they made their own take on it?

  • wow. everything rattles. you donā€™t even need to see to know itā€™s badly built.
  • 4 speed automatic because efficiency
  • WHY THE MANUAL LOCKER diff???
  • also full cladding on a car this small? well maybe, because of the box shape of the body they needed it?
  • thatā€™sā€¦ a cushioned plastic seats inside? really?
  • Running costs a little bit on the higher side
  • overall so much parts on this car, and none of the seems to be built to normal standards. pretty sure issues are gonna pop up soon, and plenty of them will. (Reliability 66.2)
  • 4 speed automatic, because ease to drive.
  • Power Steering and ABS are here boys.
  • Absurdly low price. what kind of hack did they use??? ($8520)
  • i guess thanks to the box shape, the cargo space is big, at least vertically.

.# interesting approach with the powerplant. 725cc turbo i4. the turbo is being used to compensate the lack of displacement over economy or power. also 5 valves DOHC
.# engine is small and has turbo yesā€¦ also only a single muffler, which is a straight through usually for performance cars. yet itā€™s not that loud. WHAT MAGIC IS THIS

Verdict :
yes itā€™s practical, absurdly cheap. but also feels unfinished. these are the kind of people which want everything they have done/built for them. not the stuff who wants customability.


@LordLetto ā€“ Dadu :
(Dadu ā†’ Dice. I dunno he meant too.)

First Impression :
oh itā€™s this one. Itā€™s the PINK ONE! Also where are the grilles?

  • Journal Bearing turbo? Plus itā€™s too small for the engine too.
  • I Beam Steel Conrod, Billet Crank, but Cast iron Piston.
  • Water-air Intercooler
  • 4 speed Manual
  • Running Costs are high, Cargo Space are small and economy is low
  • Standard Interior and Basic infotainment, and no cost cutting there. Good

Verdict:
WHAT?! WHY?!

(sorry canā€™t find a way to fit PINK into this kind of review)


@TR8R ā€“ FOA Quaggan Li :

First Impression:
itā€™s pretty, except for the fact that the front end looks a little bit like a koi fish

  • forged stuff + low friction cast. But this time itā€™s not asking too much from the piston, but rather itā€™s not using the Forged parts potential at all.
  • no Overdrive gear??
  • normal Basic interior and infotainment.
  • Power steering + ABS is here.

.# ooh another leaf sprung suspension system.

Verdict :

itā€™s good, just not good enough.


@sillyducky ā€“ Fahrzeug C1B MPV:

First impression:
looks decent. But dated.

  • Direct Injection, but barely able to meet the Minimum Economy Rating
  • also expensive and unecessary Long Tubular Headers.
  • Ridiculous front brake setup with 3 piston grabbing 300mm Solid Disc
  • There is no ā€˜interiorā€™. And the ā€˜radioā€™ is just a wireless bluetooth speaker that costs $20 at the supermarket.
  • Running costs slightly on the higher side
  • Full Independent Suspension with Semi Trailing Arm at the rear.
  • At least power steering and ABS are available to cover for that front brakes.
  • Cargo Space are large.

.# one of these engines using OHV setup. Whatā€™s the benefit of this setup again?

Verdict:
itā€™s an unfinished car. How could this even be sold to the public?


@MarcoAlla ā€“ Indocar B3 :

First Impression:

itā€™s quite a looker. Except for the top dual front grille. That looks like a nostril.

  • Direct Injection man, that thing shoots fast. I mean the fuel. Itā€™s bad for you. I mean your wallet.
  • only a single Baffled mufflers, gonna be a bit loud.
  • tires are kinda thin.
  • Full Clad Undertray again. Not needed.
  • no infotainment whatsoever.
  • does have Power Steering
  • is reliable (83.3)
  • one of the best Fuel economy rating amongst the competitors (24.85km/l)
  • really low Running costs.
  • Super Cheap @ $9720

.# oooooh the only Solid Axle Coil so far.

Verdict:
an amazing little car, just lacks a few things, like radio. Could be a contender


@rcracer11m ā€“ Mott Works Delta :

First Impression:
it looksā€¦ gently evilā€¦ but still not bad looking. Nowhere near bad looking actually.

  • Chassis build are not so sturdy it seems. Also visible by the panel/fixture gaps.
  • 939cc i4 turbo. But not using the turbo very nicely. Efficient but low powered and a bit slow spooling.
  • Direct Injection does a part of it.
  • full clad undertray again.
  • no infotainment system at all.
  • engine seems to be VERY efficient, almost 34% they claim
  • at least power steering is available.
  • itā€™s the most fuel efficient car in the field. (29.37km/l)
  • also lowest Running Costs in the field by a pretty significant amount.
  • also Super Cheap @ $9720

Verdict :
good on paper, probably as good on the road, but it needs to build the reputation first to fight the social stigma of turbo cars are unreliable. And the fact it doesnā€™t even have a radio.


@Zabhawkin ā€“ IF112 :

First Impression:

  • again with these forged internal paired with the efficient but weak low friction cast pistons. Bad combination
  • only a single reverse flow installed. Forgiveable if itā€™s a turbo, but itā€™s not. Itā€™s noisy
  • front brakes is not strong enough to lock the wheels. Even when itā€™s 325mm huge.
  • no radio, and no powersteering on a car this heavy? Wut?
  • 7 seater babeh!!!
  • and of course itā€™s a minivan. The cargo space when the last row of seats is folded down is impressive. But even when itā€™s not, itā€™s still pretty decent.
  • they skimped out an a lot of features, but what is on this thing is all built to german-like standards. (reliability 84.8)
  • also quite a bit of budget left @ $10320

.# heaviest car in the field. A plain steel minivan. Figures (1245KG)
.# another one on this coil sprung solid axle rear parts.
.# 7 SPEED MANUAL!! wowā€¦ why?

Verdict:
they seems to carried out the characteristic of their offroad cars into this budget car. Which is good in one way, but not so much in another way.


@phale ā€“ Adenine Asante :

First Impression

pretty neat looking. Itā€™s perfectly fits the looks of the class of cars. Thatā€™s a good thing or not, is up to you.

  • the body are built to spec it seems. But itā€™s just that the panel gap are huge.
  • 785cc turbo i6 with VVL and vvtā€¦ uhhh why? So much parts, so tiny
  • the turbo is tuned to compensate lack of power, not lack of torque. So all the power is right at the redline. NOPE.
  • tiny-tiny wheels. 135mm wide only.
  • no infotainment. None. Nada.
  • power steering.
  • although itā€™s all at the redline, but it does still have 89HP.
  • price isā€¦ like buying a pretty expensive motorbike. Only $8400. how they managed to get it that low? I dunno, but I just hope theyā€™re not using illegal labor.

.#uhhh bypass valve???

Verdict :
does most stuff just as good as any. But at a way lower costs to start. Itā€™s just that so many parts are a bit shady by social standards, like the 135mm tires, the turbo i6 that small.


i am also 100% sure i missed somethingā€¦ but i already triple checked everything, and canā€™t seem to find what it is.

also the rest is for tomorrow morning :smiling_imp: (or afternoon, if i woke up late)

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THIS goes a long way to explain the low costs. Man, modern infotainment really jacks up the price in the budget modelsā€¦

ā€¦I should have entered my mini car, says hindsight. :joy:

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