i’d say voting just based by ad sounds pretty reasonable to me, as an ad is part of your effort that you put into the entry as a whole, and not just the car, just as much as the appearance of the car itself.
an ad doesn’t even have to be that amazing. just tidy and well done in showing the cars.
though that said, both ways are pretty legit ways imo.
pros and cons for both methods
like the voting method, which i prefer, does end up based on pure ads and car looks only, and would tend to be biased to people that does well done ads consistently. though again in my view, i see the ad as part of your entry effort nowadays
I’ll weigh in as well with rewarding the previous round’s runner-up in the event of a round failure.
If we go purely by ‘repost the ads,’ it turns into “who spent the most time in Photoshop” and not “Who built the better car” which takes away from the core of the Car Shopping Round, which is to build the better car.
However, going by the runners-up of the previous round, they’ve already proven they know how to make a good car, not just a pretty picture. And it takes out the other problem with “vote on the ads” that comes up: How to keep it from being a popularity contest.
After all, any community, whether small or large, focused or unfocused, has ‘popular’ members and ‘unpopular’ members. And more importantly, the problem with voting on the ad, in my opinion, is that it rewards a different set of skills with an easy path to victory. No one’s going to care if the car’s an utter shitbox if the ad looks awesome, and likewise, no one’s going to vote for the best overall car if the ad is just a few Automation screenshots and a text blurb.
So, as I don’t have a horse in this race either way, I’m able to remain impartial enough to put my vote in on a rule change. Instead of immediately going to a vote on the ads, first offer it to the runners-up of the previous round. If none of the top 3 or top 5 want to take the reins, then put it up to the popularity contest.
I will leave my opinion: This is a contest, based on a person looking for a car, and other person we deliver a car that meets the requested requirements. And we sent it to you. That is, it values something more than the design (which is also something personal), in addition to the work applied to the car. how can suspension, comfort, dynamics … Not in “the one that makes the best edition” or “the best advertisement”. Because that is pure marketing to attract the customer’s attention. In other words, it is a competition that searches for the car the customer is looking for, not an advertising contest. What I mean by this? That I do not see fair to choose the winner as it has been done. For that, either extra time is given to the one who takes the round, or it is passed to the second contestant.
I also tend to think that a thread poll isn’t representative - it’s essentially a different format in pretty much every way: A jury of actual forum members replaces a fictional individual, decision based on an ad rather than the entirety of the car etc. etc., though as with the roundmaster unavailable, a “valid” resolution cannot be achieved anyway, I daresay that perhaps fairness and such shouldn’t even be considered priorities.
As I understand it, the thread poll is just a fallback plan to keep the CSR from seizing solid. So as fallback plans go, I’m in favor of voiding the round and handing roundmaster duties to the runner-up of the previous challenge mainly because it makes a cleaner cut, is simpler and speeds the process up a bit.
On another note: I think the round count has skipped a number, I’m pretty sure we’re at round 57, not 58…
It sounds as if there is fairly unanimous agreement with this suggested rule change.
It also sounds as if people would be happier if I ignored the results of this current poll (I have not seen the results so I’m blinded and therefore unbiased), and went straight to applying this new rule change effective immediately.
So before I say let’s do such a thing (I’ll give it 24 hours),
Are there any objections? Speak now or forever hold your peace.