22 hours and 22 minutes left! If you want to enter make sure to send in your car and post pics here before the deadline.
The competition is now closed!
I will do my best to have the results out shortly, so hang tight until then. The preliminaries will be released in the next few hours and I’ll go into more detail for the handful of finalists later.
Back in the secret boardroom in Northern Europe the same group of investors are gathered around the large table. This time they have severals images, videos, and spec sheets available to them for the eighteen proposals sent their way. Around this table they will decide how to relaunch Saab.
@FitRS - Saab 20-X by Katsuro Design
The first proposal to be analysed is the 20-X submitted by Katsuro Design. To start with the positives points, the investors like the quirky styling and how well equipped the car is. However, they also have some gripes about it. The car is too focused on performance and overengineered as such, both things that are certain to harm the mass market appeal they’re looking for. Also criticised is the rear end that seems to have been copied from a Porsche and how generally expensive the overengineering makes this car. With the design there isn’t much to be done about dropping it downmarket with other trims and as such this car will not be considered.
@OME - Saab Aero CX
The next one is the Aero CX. The investors are definitely interested in the quirky styling and the consumer appeal of crossovers. The cabin is well equipped and the overall design is very refined, but that ends the positive points. This crossover is ridiculously heavy, greatly harming fuel economy and acceleration. Both these should not be sacrificed in order to be appealing as a crossover. The other outstanding issue is that cabin layout, design, and engineering are also too far on the concept side. With a showcase in the coming months and production in less than two years, this is too far from production to be viable. It’s a shame, if they had more time this could work as a concept car to tease the brand’s return.
@TheTechnoVampire - Saab Viggen
The third car to be considered by the investors is the Viggen. Compact sedans are still a popular proposition, so the investors are confident that it could lead to healthy sales so far. Also helping its case is the well equipped cabin. Taking away all ideas of healthy sales are the issues this one has. The most obvious one from a glance is the styling that seems about a decade out of date. Relaunching a brand with something that looks older than the last production models is not a good idea. Matching this outdated design is the outdated engineering. This might be been okay as a model to slow below the 9-3 a decade earlier, but not for the relaunch.
@Aaron.W - Saab 93 by Valentino Designs
So far things are not looking so good, so some of the investors are getting a little restless by the time the 93 by Valentino Designs is up. The design is striking enough to get everyone to pay attention. An aggressive and angular design on a sedan that keeps some recognisable Saab cues is something that should do well on the market. The generous levels of equipment and the solid fuel economy are further positives for this proposal. The only real gripe with this one is the use of a glued aluminium chassis. It’s overengineering that can’t be reserved for a high spec model only. That said, work could be done on modifying that by the time the car reaches production, so it’s tentatively kept aside as a possible model to revive Saab.
@Vri404 - Saab 9-4x by WSHNGTN Design House
Next down the list of proposals is the 9-4x by WSHNGTN Design House, and right away the investors take notice of another crossover that could possibly be like printing money. The 9-4x is well equipped and also quite economical, and that’s where the compliments end. Going for a subcompact crossover is a bold move but not a way to relaunch a semi-premium brand. The engine is also very loud for the type of vehicle it is, while the suspension is simultaneously overengineered and allows enough body roll that running it for the moose test is likely to lead to a rollover. The main gripe is also the one that has no way of being fixed for launch, and that’s the unrefined design that does not fit the Saab styling image.
@Sky-High - Saab ES
The ES is the following contender and the refined design of the large liftback sedan gets the approval for its potential market appeal. Also of note is the equipment levels and the stellar fuel economy for this market segment. Of course it’s not all positives from the investors. The downsides they have are that the styling is quite austere and forgettable. It has the elements to look like a Saab but it could be easy to mistake it for just about anything else from a glance. The other negative point is the incongruous engine. A transverse inline-6 is unusual on its own, but this one also has a mix of performance and economy elements in its design to a point that it’s neither a performance engine nor an economy engine. That said, the ES inspires enough confidence to be kept aside for further review.
@yung_doofman - Saab Sonett Aero
The next car down the list stands out from its bright colour, the Sonett Aero. After some consideration, the investors agree that it’s economical and that that’s the only part of this proposal deserving of praise. The negatives are the unrefined styling that does not look like a Saab, the lacklustre interior, minimal and outdated safety features, and the badly design engine. Even with all that, the main issue with the Sonett Aero is that it’s a niche model and is not the way to relaunch a storied brand renowned for its turbocharged family cars.
@Arn38fr - Saab 900 Turbo by Decarlis
The next proposal, the 900 Turbo by Decarlis, also stands out from its bright colour but also equally from its refined design and possibility of mass market appeal that comes from a liftback sedan. The styling has some quirks to it and is undeniably Saab; the right combination to please the investors. Like most before it, it is generously equipped with a well appointed cabin. With all that approval, the investors need to dig to find some negatives but there really isn’t much for this one. What is worth commenting on is that the acceleration is rather slow, especially when compared to the competition. That said, the pros certainly outweigh the cons so the 900 Turbo will be put aside for consideration as the launch model.
@Slyo_vom_Pluto - Saab Groddar
Next down the list for consideration is the Groddar, another crossover that quickly caught the attention of the investors. Scanning through the file, it can be commended for its fuel economy and comfortable interior. However, the negatives far outweigh the positives on the spec sheet. The safety suite is outdated and very much lacking for the segment, there are incongruous engineering choices that should not be on here, and of course just from looking at it they can see that the styling is quite unrefined. Also worth noting is that the engineers did not follow the list of specifications and tuned the engine for the wrong grade of fuel. A crossover has potential to allow Saab to strart off strong, but it’s not going to be this crossover.
@Rise_Comics - Saab 9-2 Gripen
The 9-2 Gripen comes up as the next contender for Saab’s relaunch. Try as they mgiht, the investors just cannot find anything worth praising on this one. Just looking at it, it’s clear that this is in no way a Saab, it looks like a crude hot hatch. The whole car is overengineered in ways that do nothing to improve it while the engine has no place being in any car, and being tuned for the wrong fuel grade shows that the engineers also had issues with their reading comprehension. Needless to say, this proposal is not moving out of the boardroom.
@Mikonp7 - Saab Aerocar by Propeller
The Aerocar by Propeller is another crossover proposal and while a crossover can be promising the investors are pretty jaded at this point. Finding some positive points for the Aerocar isn’t too hard, as it holds promise of mass market appeal while also being well equipped and offering solid fuel economy. On its own this should be a winning combination, but of course there are some other things to consider alongside the engineering. The styling of the aerocar is another that’s a decade out of date, and it has an unrefined air about it. Unfortunately the buying public cares about styling so this major shortcoming outweighs the engineering, so the Aerocar will not be considered as the launch model.
@MasterDoggo - Saab 9-3 XWD Gripen
Next down the list is the 9-3 XWD Gripen. The most striking feature of this car is its design and it’s enough to make some of the investors salivate. This is the potential of a modern Saab and it’s beautiful. As designs go, this is one of the refined ones and it’s also quirky in all the right ways to be a Saab while not alienating the potential buyers of a liftback sedan. To finish off with the praise for the 9-3 XWD Gripen, the investors also agree that the car is also well equipped and seems comfortable. Moving on to shortcomings, there are a few things for the investors to note. The first is that this car has a strong focus on performance and as such in overengineered in various places to facilitate this aspect, making it expensive without an easy solution for more affordable lower trims. Those are minor issues in comparison to this proposal being too much of a concept car as it stands that it just cannot be adapted for production with the timeline in question. While the 9-3 XWD Gripen is not being considered for the brand relaunch, it is being put aside for consideration as a concept car for a future model depending on what the launch model ends up being.
@vouge - Saab 9-5x
Moving ever closer to the end of the list, the 9-5x is the next proposal for the investors to consider. While the station wagon market has shrunk considerably this AWD wagon can be an attractive proposal for many buyers. It works well for Volvo, so it could work well for Saab too. Helping make the case is the good fuel economy that should entice even more buyers. Of course with the good must come the bad, and so while the front of the 9-5x is quite refined and definitely Saab, the rear end looks completely unfinished. There’s just no time to continue with a car that has an unfinished design. Also of note is the slow acceleration that’s stands out even more when compared to the competition. The 9-5x is not quite what the investors want for the relaunch.
@titleguy1 - Saab 9-5 Turbo4
The next car down the list is the 9-5 Turbo4, another conventional sedan that should offer the possibility of a strong sales volume. The design on this one is stellar and very refined, exactly the sort of thing to help entice buyers while staying true to the Saab image. The well equipped cabin offers all the features to be expected from the car while the solid fuel economy is the icing on the cake. Try as they might, the investors cannot find any faults worth noting with the 9-5 Turbo4. As such, this one is put aside for consideration in relaunching Saab.
@ST1Letho - Saab 10-4 by HOL
The 10-4 by HOL is the next proposal for the investors to consider. This liftback sedan has an attractive and refined design and offers the possibility of the mass market appeal the investors are looking for. While the design is quite angular and different from anything else, it also fits as an evolution of the Saab language and should remain recognisable. Moving to the engineering, the 10-4 is generally well equipped and offers excellent fuel economy. The engineering also has some negatives, one being that this car is on the heavy side for what it is but doesn’t seem to have any major downsides from it. What is a problem is the limited safety suite that just won’t do for this car. The investors decide that it’s worthy of consideration with the note that the safety equipment should be improved if it gets chosen.
@randomtuner - Saab 9-3 by Lünnerden Design
Next down the list is the 9-3 by Lünnerden Design. So this car’s got some issues, as the material provided to the investors shows a wagon but the car that was received was a coupe the looks to have been cut out from the wagon judging by the rear end design. The engineering is also a complete mess and has no place in any production car. Clearly it must be a joke, so the investors swiftly move on.
@mgobla - Saab ??
The next car down the list elicits more head shakes, as it has no name. Even though the investors already have a team at the ready to find the best name for the car they decide, they still expected these proposals to come with a name. That said, this unnamed car has no redeeming features. The styling is simultaneously outdated and unfinished, the car is very heavy for no good reason, it’s overengineered, the engine is badly tuned, and the whole package is too focused on performance. Needless to say, it will not be considered.
@Hshan - Saab 900 Griffin Turbo4
Finally reaching the last of the proposals, the investors turn their attention to the 900 Griffin Turbo4. The liftback sedan is a good segment to go into for some mass market appeal, and this one is very well designed. The refined styling also has its quirks and overall is a good representation of a modern Saab that can be easily recognisable. Matching the styling is the generous levels of equipment provided and the strong fuel economy. This is another of the proposals that just does things right and holds potential. As far as negative points to consider, there is a comment to be made about the apparent focus on performance. That said, the 900 Griffin Turbo4 does it right and would allow for some downmarket variants. The investors set this last car aside for further consideration.
As they leave the boardroom to consider their choices, the investors are provided with more detailed files on the car proposals they will be considering as well as getting scheduled for a closer inspection of all these cars. They will reconvene in a month with their final choice.
And a special mention to @MasterDoggo for making an amazing looking car that was just too much of a concept to make it to production.
I was thinking that maybe they needed a sportier upscale model to revive the brand. But then I just realized Saab went bankrupt because of over-engineering…
Tried to go for premium hot hatch. Guess that failed spectacularly.
Good that I didn’t use the 300 hp engine that I’ve considered I guess this performance focus is due to DCT, LSD and LC? I just wanted to keep the acceleration appropriate for its power level.
I completely missed the specs, oops. Good luck to the finalists
One month later
The group of investors reconvenes once again in the same secret boardroom in Northern Europe. They’ve all had a chance to get up close and personal with each of the selected proposals and, with the help of the engineering staff, they’ve all put together some notes. Today they decide what direction the Saab relaunch will take.
These cars will be compared in how appropriate the designs and engineering are for the 2022 launch, and then of course how the whole package can work or not for the future of Saab.
@Aaron.W - Saab 93 by Valentino Designs
First on the block is the Saab 93 by Valentino Designs. The first point of discussion is the design. As a whole package the 93 certainly looks like a 2022 Saab might, but a closer inspection reveals some flaws. The front splitter, huge side vents, and prominent rear diffuser and exhausts all give the car a sort of boy racer high performance aura. While it wouldn’t be unexpected for Saab to offer a sport level trim to the car, these elements are quite brash and not fitting for a Swedish premium sedan. Otherwise, the angry aura the fascia offers, the full width tail light, and angular lines complementing a generally curvy design are good choices for Saab. The sedan layout is also quite conventional and possibly the most conventional aspect of the design.
Moving onto the engineering, the big issue is the glued aluminium chassis. That is not fitting for a mass produced premium sedan at all. It’s made even more unusual when the rest of the car is perfectly engineered and refined as a premium sedan with a hint of performance. This is not the kind of thing that can be properly produced at the required level nor is it possible to reserve it for a lower volume high end trim. On the plus side, the full aluminium construction would resist corrosion and when paired with AWD this could work as a great winter car.
The final verdict is the that 93 is very close but not quite right. The styling is attractive and cohesive and would bring attention to the brand, but it’s also just too brash for the Saab image. Paired with the glued aluminium chassis, the mass market appeal is gone if only because large scale production would face some issues. While a solid proposal, it is not the car that will relaunch Saab.
@Sky-High - Saab ES
The next car to face discussion is the Saab ES, once again starting with the design. The design for this one is certainly refined and attractive for what it is. It carries the design elements of a Saab so there’s no issue in that regard. Where it falls flat is that it seems too much like a committee design. There’s none of Saab’s historic quirkiness or anything to have it stand out from the premium liftback sedan market. This is a design that will not get a second look and does nothing to stand apart from the competition. This anonymity is something that generally left car designs in the previous decade and there’s no indication that it will be the direction to take for 2022.
In terms of the engineering, the ES is mostly conventional and what the investors are looking for. The aluminium bodywork will be excellent for avoid rust while the galvanized chassis should hold up for a long time. The AWD is fitting for winter driving and something that can easily be removed for lower trims. Where the discontent arises for this car is the strange transverse inline-6 engine that isn’t close to anything Saab’s done before while also small enough that it should have been an inline-4 instead, or maybe even an inline-5. As it is there’s limited possibilities of lower trims with such a premium engine. The other negative point is the safety features being a little too basic for what customers will want by 2022.
The consensus for the ES is that it isn’t quite right just like the 93 before it. The styling is attractive and cohesive but also too anonymous, especially for relaunching a whole brand. On top of that, the inline-6 engine is just not what makes sense for a Saab. The ES is a generally solid proposal, but it’s too conventional where it should be quirky and too quirky where it should be conventional and as such it will not be chosen for the relaunch.
@Arn38fr - Saab 900 Turbo by Decarlis
The Saab 900 Turbo is the next car up for the investors to discuss. The design is very much classic Saab, starting with a somewhat stumpy liftback sedan body. All the Saab design elements are there, quirks and all, so it’s all good when looking at it in theory. Actually looking at the car reveals something a little different. While the investors agreed to consider this car based on these points, where the design falls a little flat is that it’s too close to Saab’s styling from a decade earlier. It looks a little dated currently and will look more dated by 2022. Also of note is that while all the elements are there, their placement and proportioning is rather odd, so there’s the worry that it will get panned by the public for not being attractive enough. So it looks like a Saab but not a modern or attractive enough Saab.
Taking a look at the engineering of the 900 Turbo comes next, and it’s more attractive in that regard. The car is well equipped and using all the modern features that should be expected from a premium sedan in the near future. While it is FWD, it should be possible to give it AWD for different trim levels, and the partial aluminium body and AHS steel chassis should allow it to avoid rust for many years. The only point of concern is that the car might be a little underpowered, as the acceleration time is pretty slow and would not be improved with the added weight of AWD. The fuel economy is also suffering a little, so while it is good it’s not quite as good as some of the other proposals.
The verdict for the 900 Turbo is that it’s almost there but not quite. While the car looks like a Saab the design too dated and not attractive enough to entice potential buyers, even if the car would stand out in some way. While the car is generally well engineered and certainly well equipped, the slow acceleration would not fare well in the premium segment and there isn’t much wiggle room to improve it as the fuel economy isn’t good enough to be sacrificed a little. The 900 Turbo will not be the car to relaunch Saab.
@titleguy1 - Saab 9-5 Turbo4
Moving onto the last half of the cars, the investors are ready to discuss the Saab 9-5 Turbo4. The styling for this is spot on. While the quirkiness is very limited here, the design is so recognisably Saab and fits as a direct continuation of the designs from a decade ago. The liftback sedan is truly Saab and something that holds appeal in the market. The investors don’t have much to say on the design other than they approve of it.
The engineering of the 9-5 Turbo4 is also fitting for Saab and for surviving those Swedish winters. The aluminium body and AHS steel chassis will easily resist corrosion while the AWD is a nice bonus for winter handling and can easily be removed for lower spec trims. What is unusual is the absence of some kind of differential, but the investors suppose it could be reserved for a sport trim. The equipment offered is on par with what they expect the market to demand by 2022 and the fuel economy is quite good, even if not stellar like some of the other proposals.
The investors unanimously agree that this car could be used to relaunch Saab. The styling and engineering are on point for the brand and should be immediately recognisable by the buying public as well as enticing enough to sell well. As such, this car stands a chance of being chosen for the relaunch.
@ST1Letho - Saab 10-4 by HOL
The next to last proposal is the Saab 10-4 by HOL. Starting with the design as they have done before, this one gets nods of approval. The design is certainly more angular than any of the others but it stills keeps the Saab look. What is worthy of a closer look is the amount of detail hidden away in it, enough that every close look reveals something new. The familiar liftback sedan layout is used here as well, so that’s something the investors approve of. While looking fitting for a 2022 model and still retaining the Saab elements, this design is more disconnected from the brand’s past. This is something the investors will need to consider, as a move in a new direction can be both good or bad for a relaunch.
Taking a look at the engineering of the 10-4 is where some of the praise stops. This car is heavy by using a mix of corrosion resistant and galvanised steel, so while it will hold up to rust it’s not quite the most fitting for a Saab, especially with that aircraft heritage. This extra weight does not dampen the fuel economy or acceleration, so it isn’t a serious concern, especially with the fuel economy being excellent for the segment. What is a serious concern is the safety features. They’re rather outclassed even currently and will be even more so by 2022, so that’s something that would require major changes before production. The dual clutch transmission is also quite sporty and not really the best thing to adapt between various trims.
The 10-4 is a car with a cutting edge design vision for Saab but less than cutting edge engineering and equipment levels. It could be an enticing car with some work done to it, but that seems a bit of a moot point when there’s at least one other proposal that’s ready to go without any changed. With that, the 10-4 will not be used by the new Saab.
@Hshan - Saab 900 Griffin Turbo4
At long last, the final proposal is up to the table, the Saab 900 Griffin Turbo4. Like most of the other proposals that got a close look, this is a sleek liftback sedan that harks back to Saab’s heritage. As a whole the styling fits as an evolution of Saab and even offers some quirks that are fitting for the brand, and this remains true upon closer inspection as well. There’s a certain aircraft theme throughout that, while subtle, fits the brand’s heritage and some of the older cars. It’s a bold move but one that can work to relaunch Saab in a recognisable manner while also stepping away a little from the old company. There is no doubt that this is a design that will appeal to buyers and help drive up sales.
The engineering of the 900 Griffin Turbo4 is mostly conventional except for the transmission and chassis. The dual clutch is rather sporty and wouldn’t work on all possible trim levels. As for the chassis, it’s a bold yet functional direction, using a partially space frame aluminium design with aluminium bodywork. While the FWD isn’t the best for winter and could potentially be adapted to AWD for some trims, the full aluminium construction is fitting for a Saab and would make it through Swedish winters without any risk of corrosion. The equipment levels offered here are all good and would work to entice buyers to choose Saab.
The 900 Griffin Turbo4 is a solid proposal for a new Saab both in styling and engineering. It should draw people into showrooms and stand out on the road and both those are important for the relaunch. However, the investors realise that there are some changes that would need to be made to make this the best proposal for the brand. As such, the 900 Griffin Turbo4 will also not be used for the relaunch.
What could have been a hard decision for the group of investors around the table turned out to be pretty easy in the end. The only proposal to achieve what they wanted without any compromises is the Saab 9-5 Turbo4. As the meeting adjourns, plans are set into motion for announcing the return of Saab while unveiling this car.
Congratulations to @titleguy1 for winning CSC28!
Here are the finalist rankings:
Hey, so basically it was just the drivetrain that dragged me down, and it was like that because of my pursuit for acceleration… Nice, I definitely didn’t expect such result with a slightly rushed (mainly rear design) entry. Nice round.
And of course congrats to Titleguy
Thanks for hosting this round, I appreciate the win! I think I have an idea for the next round but I’ll be busy for the next few days so I’ll post it this weekend.
Alrighttttt so uh despite me saying I’d have something ready I completely forgot that this week is midterm week! So sorry to get anyone’s potential hopes up but I’ll have to pass this on to @Hshan
Ooops. I didn’t have anything planned, but I have some idea. I’ll post the round tomorrow, if I’ll find the time for tests today.
CSC 29 - Sharks Circling All Around
(lore background - safe to omit)
It’s the year 1986. Zavir Automobili, an Italian-American premium car manufacturer, is in a deep crisis. What originated as two virtually separate entities under one ownership went through an intensive unification project in the 70s - it mostly saved the company from the catastrophe of the '73 and '79 oil shocks and, against all initial plans, left it under the sole rule of the Italian division. This gave rise to a series of R&D projects and successes in motorsport sprouting from that. Yet not all was so perfect, and on the west side of the Atlantic this Euro-performance focus sent the company into its own kind of malaise. Seeing skyrocketing costs and slowly decaying incomes the board of Zavir Group - the parent company - posed an untimatum - either American division will participate equally in the company management, or they will introduce severe restructuring solutions. Both divisions wanted to avoid the latter, and thus the Italians backed down. Americans have a chance, and they’re not gonna waste it.
(actual challenge - READ PLEASE)
You act as the team in the American Zavir division, tasked with making a big change - creating a brand new generation of the Squalo (it. shark) flagship sedan. A limousine that would remind customers that once Zavir made astounding full-size luxury cars, not only those fancy-sporty Italian cars they offer today, including the current Squalo, based on a car a class smaller. However, you have to keep the brand’s dynamic image, that even those old landyachts had - high speed landyachts. The car needs to be bold, luxurious, stylish and, most importantly - good for the American market. Since the Italians dumped piles of money into research, you have access to nearly every tech you like, but remember that you have to be more reasonable than them, so don’t put more in the car than would be useful.
As for the styling - keep it recognisable as a Zavir, yet bold and fresh - you’re here to make a difference, in the end. Zavirs always have a split grille - with the upper part being usually thinner and narrower than the bottom - and indicators touching that grille. The beltline usually slightly rises at the end. Squalo line always had wide, “dual” taillights, sometimes connected. Below are some examples of other, past and future generations of the Squalo. All are from the old Kee era, and thus are no longer canon, but can be used as an inspiration - though pay more attention to the words above, than them.
A pair of outdated UE4 Zavirs
A Kee Zavir from a moment later than this challenge - my old interpretation of the style that you have to start here
A Kee Zavir quite well showing the grill’s design principle in a great work by Titleguy
- Your design has to be set in 1990 - that is the year the car comes out.
- The price (market tab will tell you) has to be under 80 000 $ - that’s a hard limit, it should be noticeably less.
- The car should be shorter than 530 cm/210 in - not a hard limit, but strongly advised.
- You can’t use multilink - the new management won’t spend cash on new tech, when the old one is just fine.
- The car has to be either RWD or AWD, the former more expected.
- You have to use the provided engine family and ABSOLUTELY CAN’T modify it (failing that one is the only way to instabin) - Zavir Motori knows their work better than the car division
- You have to use a clone of the provided engine variant and may retune it, but that is not required - do as you wish in that regard (if you do keep the variant year 1989).
- The car has to comply with all Fruinian standards for 1990 (easy to check by getting normal, non-0 scores).
- Almost standard naming convention - “CSC29 [username] - Squalo [whateveryouwant]” for the car, leave the engine family name as it is, name the variant - “CSC29 - [username]”.
ENGINE TO USE (in a container!): CSC29-CONTAINER
- Be reasonable and somewhat realistic
- Note the brand image described and don’t send me a turd on a ladder frame, for example. If you need more info on the brand, here’s the legacy thread (exact info outdated, but the vibe is still relevant): [Kee museum] Zavir Legacy thread - FUTURESIGHT: A glimpse of the future
- You’re making a highly-specced, yet not the top variant - definitely no need to use handmade interior. There is both one that is more luxurious as well as a faster one.
- Comfort, prestige, drivability, styling are the most important.
- Reliability, practicality, service costs, performance (not outright sportiness) are a second priority.
- All else is only limited by the 1st suggestion.
Deadline: 16th of March, 3 PM CET (UTC+1)
Reminder - there’s a challenge here, and half of the time has already passed.
No entries so far
I’m guessing it’s the technical stuff that’s putting people off, if it was purely design, you’d probably have a few entries already.
Ok, good point (quite the opposite of my usual attitude), so to clear that, as I might have forgotten to write it:
I don’t expect super-optimised, technically perfect cars - just enough of a technical design to see that the car’s creator was actually going for a luxury car with it. If I’ll get a car that I’ll see right off could use some improvements, I’ll be perfectly happy as long as it doesn’t have such things as, let’s say, sport interior or off-road undertray. Styling WILL be valued more.
In fact, right now I’ll be perfectly happy if I get ANY cars