At last, I have made a car good enough for the top third! does a small celebration
Good good!
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[size=50]However, how big was that briefcase again? i MIGHT be able to make an exception 
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Hey!
I’m pleasantly surprised at 5th in this stage, actually. I just went back and had a look at the build and discovered a massive amount of fail in my build: apparently while only a medium sized water intercooler was available, I could have used a large air intercooler which would have given me, wait for it, 534hp 
And gone faster on almost every track (except probably BRC stage 2 and Leo’s extra bumpy special VIR). That’s what I get for habitually preferring water intercoolers!
Will not forget to do that next time 
Oh well, live and learn![/quote]
How much faster is it? Especially since you end up with a slightly lighter engine letting you put more weight at the back.
I find it interesting though that the large air intercooler is available but not the large liquid cooler. I’ll try to find which inter coolers are available at which displacements when I get back home.
I don’t know what to say but congratulations on everyone until now who made it decently
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How much faster is it? Especially since you end up with a slightly lighter engine letting you put more weight at the back.
I find it interesting though that the large air intercooler is available but not the large liquid cooler. I’ll try to find which inter coolers are available at which displacements when I get back home.[/quote]
Yeah it overlaps a bit. I’m assuming larger air intercoolers are open at smaller displacements because air has much less resistance than water. Funnily enough this was something I realised only after I made a car with a deliberately smaller intercooler to see how much tameness I could get back by strangling the power, and discovered it went MUCH faster around tracks with high tameness requirements. So much for POWAAAAAAAA (then again I was still playing with >1100hp so…)
Without proper balancing I could make 3/4 second if I tuned for the faster tracks, but that’d clearly cost me on the slower ones (at least 5 tameness points, which isn’t that much tbh). When I went back and tweaked the power down again, it was an average 0.2s or so each track. Not enough to really change spots on these two tracks I don’t think, but that’s because I have a relatively aggressive aero setup based on optimisation on green hell (which is a faster than average track).
Huge surprises since last time all around for me. I hoped, by concentrating on power, to make it somewhere into the middle of the pack of the turbos and ended up with the most powerful engine. OK, Strop going for that beautiful Skyline made it possible for sure and just slightly over that great I6T, but still. Then the results, I was secretly hoping for 1-3 points on that track, 5 if it’s going really well. 8th place and 13 points, seriously? 
[quote=“VicVictory”]Making a car light isn’t my problem. Making it powerful is.
Of course, I think we’ll see later on that the Kaminari is one of the cheapest cars in the competition. I just gave up with a ton of money left because I couldn’t figure out what to spend it on that would give any significant gains. Like, I was at the point where I had to burn $3k just to get 3 HP.[/quote]
Admittedly I’ve still have a lot to learn about the interconnections of everything but I realized, since last ATTC mostly: The quality sliders advantage isn’t about the results they give directly. It is the fact that they open up huge possibilities on all engine sliders everywhere else. Oh, and the importance of the fuel/air mixture slider, especially for turbos.
Me too. Getting some grasp on the stuff in the trim section is the next goal, if I find the time. The other thing is I still can’t befriend the idea of using more than one lip and, only perhaps, 2 spoilers built into one double bladed. While still not understanding things properly I’ve got the impression this car could use more front downforce though, I didn’t even use the full range of the single rear spoiler because it made the car slower on Green Hell, the (only) test track I used to get somewhat worth of a setup.
Edit: I’m somewhat missing a simple lip or Gurney flap to place on the back of the car.
Mine actually has, for some reason I could only choose 4 or 5 seats with this body. On some options the automation designers had clearly no race cars in mind, yet. 
Same here. The only exceptions to note are body and interior that additionally save weight with mostly only a negative effect on luxury and prestige, something I don’t look for in a race car.
My guess is since heat transfer onto air is less efficient than water the design decision was that engines profit earlier, aka at a lower air intake mass, from a larger air cooler than water cooler. That as well would mean the largest air coolers are insufficient earlier than the largest water coolers for really big engines, given they are not large enough to provide enough cooling for any possible engine anyway.
Third race, on the Brands Hatch indy circuit, in Kent, UK. The epicentre of british touring cars, complete with blind corners, big elevation changes, all rolled into the short, Indy version of the track.
This track really favours cars with good balance, thus a good tameness to sportiness ratio is vital, but so is power.
So some of you can understand why your cars are so much slower around this track than in the other ones, here are the tameness, sportiness and their ratio comparisons.
The Results
I knew, that brands hatch wouldn’t be my track
Yes, so did I, but the car still worked better than anticipated on that track. Looks like the requirements between Suzuka and Brands Hatch are surprisingly similar.
2nd, that’s really good.
As long as I don’t get wrecked too much on BRC stage 2 I think I will end in a very good position at the end of the championship.
Was the track the exact same version that’s available on the forums or did you raise the sportiness a little like you did in the first ATCC?
Also, strop, I am surprised that your car has almost the same Tameness/sportiness ratio as mine, even though it has less HP.
My car has not budged from its current position. 3rd to last.
Better then last time, dead last for everything.
[quote=“trackpaduser”]2nd, that’s really good.
As long as I don’t get wrecked too much on BRC stage 2 I think I will end in a very good position at the end of the championship.
Was the track the exact same version that’s available on the forums or did you raise the sportiness a little like you did in the first ATCC?
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No track has been altered this time, so yes, it is exactly the same.
About the tameness part, Strop isn’t the guy to go for a tame car. This is a new concept to him
I knew my poor little i4 was being overboosted… but i had to get a power advantage compared to N/A 
This is so true LOL.
I really have no concept of balance. Up until recently I would start with maximum power, then tweak the power curve slightly, then make the car as light as possible and tune from there. I’m in the thick of learning something new right now.
If anything so far this confirms at least at this stage that I should have gone for the larger air intercooler!
On the other hand, performance has been consistently just off the maximum pace (like the real HR31 
), so I’ll just wait to see how it stacks up across all the tracks.
EDIT: if I don’t win that ludwigschafenring, then the car is definitely underpowered! This at least is helping me big time in terms of refining the testing process.
EDIT 2: Yep, agree with QuantoSolo that air-air would have been advantageous as it’s the early power in my engine that’s still lacking a bit. Having an air-air intercooler gives not only significant power gains, but significant room to move with widening the power band, which, in my case, would have given me a significantly better finish in all stages! I’ll remember to pay more attention to that next time.
Did a little better this round :-p 26th ftw
Oh yeah, went back up again ^^ tameness track, happy
By the way.
How many people are using carburetor engines?
Zest iX means Injection + X transmission (AWD)
3rd place \o/… I’ll not be there again for the rest of the championship.
Looking for the BRC2 however… I’m curious.
@GenJeFT: Now that would be madness! We’d save money for sure, but… I wouldn’t know what to put the money into!
(Though a 5 minute performance test reveals that an NA 3500cc i6 with quad DCOE would in fact yield… almost the same times… around the track… as my turbo… and save about 700 bucks…)
Can I modify some parts of my car?
No revisions allowed… 