BRC 1966 - Gentleman Brobots Club [RACE 7 P&Q]

[quote=“koolkei”]
@puffster.
design? pfft who need designs.

i literally just slapped on some random headlamps and taillights and done.

i even forgot to change to color:P[/quote]

Just quoting the commentators reviewing my car before the race, it sounded kinda like a James May/Top Gear thing to say about it :smiley:
Now, how to be able to wait a whole week for the next race, this will be hard!

Hm, maybe the stop should be cancelled then… I will look into it.

[quote=“Packbat”]Thank you very much to all the commentators … but she! Packbat = she! Please remember for the next race! >_<

@Puffster: I will give my driver a stern talking to tomorrow. Tonight I’m a little distracted by celebrations. :slight_smile:

(Also, three completely different bodies in the top three! After '55 - heck, after '45! - that’s a refreshing sight.)

The other thing I will have to do tomorrow is take another look at my pit strategy. I may want to set up an earlier threshold for tyre pitting. Der Bayer, the number is percentage wear, correct?[/quote]

@Packbat: Acknowledged and stuff will be correct next time. I apologize for that, i probably missed that small post. I highly respect that and it was not done on purpose on the stream.

About the Race Performance: Great Stuff, did not expect my FWD that high up. We surely need more rain! The more the better. Nice performance by puffster and a great battle between him and iRaptor till the end.
Hope you guys enjoyed the stream, if there is something to complain about, just complain.

Next stream date will be

6th of February 2016
Same time as before - and the YouTube Link will be spread just before the Stream.
Don’t forget to subscribe in that case!

Need some advice;

I used 0.87kg of fuel per lap in the 10 lap practise session at Snetterton, not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing but I was in the top 10 for ‘Fuel’. My current strategy is two scheduled pits, the first one at 33% of the race to refuel and put new tyres on the and the second at 67% to just put on new tyres.

Is it better to refuel later, or maybe even not refuel at all? I’m guessing that if my fuel per lap is so low, my car is running efficiently then?

And another quick question: my tyre wear was at 4.85% and 4.87% for front and rear respectively, would it possibly be worth adding in another stop to change tyres again?

Any help is much appreciated.

If you plan to stop twice for tyres then you should also refuel at both stops because any fuel you add during the 10-15s of tyre change is effectively free.

Thanks for the support, Absurdist, 07CobaltGirl, strop, Pyrlix!

Fully agreed. In fact, if you look at studies of gamer demographics, it’s close to a 50-50 gender ratio - most of the difference in who we see in a given space comes down to “can they safely participate?”

Okay, end of tangent.

[quote=“DeusExMackia”]Need some advice;

I used 0.87kg of fuel per lap in the 10 lap practise session at Snetterton, not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing but I was in the top 10 for ‘Fuel’. My current strategy is two scheduled pits, the first one at 33% of the race to refuel and put new tyres on the and the second at 67% to just put on new tyres.

Is it better to refuel later, or maybe even not refuel at all? I’m guessing that if my fuel per lap is so low, my car is running efficiently then?

And another quick question: my tyre wear was at 4.85% and 4.87% for front and rear respectively, would it possibly be worth adding in another stop to change tyres again?

Any help is much appreciated.[/quote]

You have a 47.0 kg tank and, given your lap-9 lap time (you had an error on lap 10), the race length for you is probably 60 laps max. At that distance, you will need to pit for fuel at some point, because 60 laps * 0.87 kg/lap = 52.2 kg.

I figure you have two ways you can play it: a two-pit strategy like Riso suggests (17.4 kg of fuel = 8.7 seconds, less than the tyre-change time) or a one-pit strategy like I’ve been doing. The latter would be one scheduled pit stop for fuel and tyres at 62% of race distance (implies a starting load of 34.1 kg and less than 20 kg of fuel taken at the stop - which means refueling time is strictly less than tyre change time), with an emergency stop replacing the scheduled stop within … well, it’s your choice, but as long as you take your fuel stop no earlier than 13% of the total race distance, you can make it to the end on one stop. So pit window width 49% or less.

If you’re concerned about tyre wear - and I usually go by the amount that my laps slow down in practice, which I think was a little over half a second per lap after nine laps in your case (you had an error on your tenth lap) - then I say go for the two-stop strategy. I’m sticking with my one-stop strategy (this course seems to have less tyre wear than Silverstone), but that’s a call each person needs to make on their own.

Wow! Thanks for the advice Packbat and Riso. I think a two pit strategy is still the best way to go, but I’m definetley changing the timings. An early refuel should mean I gradually lower my weight over the race, meaning the second stop would just have to be for tyres.
Also, thanks for doing all that maths for me! :laughing:

@DeusExMackia: Actually, as Riso said, you can pretty much take fuel and tyres both times for free. If you went with 33/67 and skipped refueling on the second pit stop, you’d have to take 34.8 kg of fuel on the first stop and be carrying an extra 17.4 kg in the middle third of the race. Taking fuel on both means taking only 17.4 kg on each (probably less, actually; especially if it rains), which you can do in less than 10 seconds.

…I just realized that this is something Der Bayer mentioned in the middle of the stream that not everyone may have caught: refueling and tyre changes happen simultaneously, refueling is 2 kg/s, and tyre changes are a random length between 10 and 15 seconds. If you’re taking less than 20 kg at each stop, fuel is free while you change your tyres … and if you’re taking more than 30 kg, tyres are free while you refuel.

[size=75]@packbat. im really sorry if i offended you.
i really did the wording wrong. i never meant for it, nor did i fussed about the gender…
it’s the you’re a trans woman part that nagged me. not the part that you’re a woman itself.

and by that i meant like, it’s the same when “i discovered some random fact that has totally nothing to do with me, or effect me in any way possible, but i can’t forget it anyway”
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moving on.
now that i see the track. i see less ‘mushroom’ and more like a hand holding a big glass fist. and i hope for another storm on race time. my car seems to do way better in the rain for some absurd reason.

also maybe worth mentioning. the length of the pit lane is way shorter here, this may effect time spent going to the pits, so maybe going a little bit safer and go for 2 stops strategy might not give me as much time penalty here.

also im still wondering… how does my front tire wear is similiar to my rear at times?
i have like -0.5 camber of front but -2.0 camber on the back…

@koolkei: To be honest, there are only two reasons I mentioned that I’m a trans woman instead of just saying that I am a woman:
[ol]]I’m a baritone, and most people associate that vocal register with masculinity./:m]
]People previously believed I was a man in this space, and my being trans explains their misapprehension./:m][/ol]
I know society has an unhealthy obsession with LGBTQ+ people of all kinds, but unless you’re providing health care to the lady in question, there’s no difference between how you should respond to a trans woman and a cis woman. We’re women, use feminine pronouns.

On the other subject: what’s your weight distribution? I know increased weight increases tyre wear.

Also: do you have a lot of understeer? Der Bayer didn’t mention that in the thread, but I was under the impression that a yaw rate line below 1:1 (edit: the red max-Sportiness line) meant more front tyre wear.

(Honestly, I think equal front/rear tyre wear is a good thing. It means the handling characteristics are going to be consistent throughout the race.)

Maybe I missed something, but when do the races happen?

@RocketplaneRacing: It can vary - each race is announced on the forums as it is scheduled. The next race happens on Saturday, Feb. 6th (I don’t know what time).

Welp, my car is garbage.

Dont forget, if you want Packbat and I to look at the cars like we did with the last BRC just export them and send them on over to both Packbat and I.

[quote=“GenJeFT”]Welp, my car is garbage.

Dont forget, if you want Packbat and I to look at the cars like we did with the last BRC just export them and send them on over to both Packbat and I.[/quote]

Thanks for the reminder! Expect a PM shortly!

I am starting to think that I have not put as much thought into the strategy as you guys…

[size=60]Where by “as much thought”, I mean I have done fuck all nothing. XD[/size]

Edit: I think for the next race, I will one stop just to avoid getting stuck behind traffic. Pending my investigation into tyre wear.

[quote=“Packbat”]
On the other subject: what’s your weight distribution? I know increased weight increases tyre wear.

Also: do you have a lot of understeer? Der Bayer didn’t mention that in the thread, but I was under the impression that a yaw rate line below 1:1 (edit: the red max-Sportiness line) meant more front tyre wear.

(Honestly, I think equal front/rear tyre wear is a good thing. It means the handling characteristics are going to be consistent throughout the race.)[/quote]

nothing make sense.
weight distribution? camber setup?
33F/67R -0.6F/-2.1R
understeer? nah, very unlikely with an MR. especially with a 205 wide tires on the front.

yet… only 1% difference between front and rear. and yes, it is impressively consistent.
the time it lost on the tire wear is made up by losing fuel weight, which resulted in an average of losing 0.03-0.08 sec per lap on that practice run.

and since i go full load on start, my fastest time will be done after i pitted, when i have new tires and likely 20-25% fuel left in the tank.

anyway. im sending my car for review :slight_smile:

[quote=“GenJeFT”]Welp, my car is garbage.
[/quote]

my car is bad too, it was a bit rushed and I was really conservative with fuel and tire consumption. Played around with it a bit today tried to make it faster once I realized that one of the reasons its slow was narrow tires (I forgot about shaping the body to enable wider tires), but couldn’t make it much faster.

then made a rear engine car for a laugh and it turned out to be almost 4s/lap faster than the one I submitted prob not good for the competition cause it has only 19% engine reliability but at list it would qualify better than if I made it earlier :slight_smile:

ps I know cars can’t be changed mid season was just trying to make something that could in theory do respectable pace

[quote=“Absurdist”]I am starting to think that I have not put as much thought into the strategy as you guys…

[size=60]Where by “as much thought”, I mean I have done fuck all nothing. XD[/size]

Edit: I think for the next race, I will one stop just to avoid getting stuck behind traffic. Pending my investigation into tyre wear.[/quote]

Happy deliberations! (I’m planning to look over the Silverstone race results later - I suspect pit strategy may have gained me multiple places in that race.)

Car sent in to the reviewer for some brutal analysis.

Apologises in advance for the bad design.

Yep. Car sent in also. You two are going to be reviewing cars up until the last race if all 69 drivers send one in for review. :wink: