Camoria Automotive: The Best Isn't Good Enough

[quote=“Cheeseman”]The design of your cars is always very inventive and very clever and almost all of your designs I like, so I must praise you massively there. I do have a few comments to make about each car though that appears on this page:

Camoria I-Style: The car itself is fine, it is the engine that concerns me. The power at anything below 5000 rpm is hot hatch level, not supercar level and the MTBF is 0. 244 CI is about 4 litres if I am not mistaken, so perhaps making the engine a bit bigger and the turbos a bit smaller may help achieve a better and more useful powerband and perhaps even fix the MTBF issue. Other than that, the car seems superb.

Camoria GTC G2: Same story as the I-Style.[/quote]

I shoulder full responsibility for the engine, as it was my handiwork.

It’s important to note that the Super-Eight was never intended for practical street use, it’s designed only with operating at race RPM in mind. Thus, naturally it is compromised at lower RPM. The idea was big power, small engine. However, despite the “Hot hatch power level” below 5000RPM, it still goes like a stabbed rat and in my own test runs, was able to chew the 1/4 mile in a 1400kg RWD car at around 9 seconds.

MTBF is not actually a big problem either, because when in a car with proper cooling it’s able to get around 30 - 50 reliability. Much greater than the silly bugged “0km” range. :wink:

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[size=150]A Rally-Cross Car for the Ages[/size]

[size=200]Design[/size]:




[size=200]Engine[/size]:

This car will be competing in the CTC2. We would greatly value any comments on the design of the car!

At the risk of helping out a direct competitor…

Those are some awfully wide tires for something with a sportiness rating of only 5. And I’m fairly certain it’s helping kill your fuel economy. The competition calculates annual fuel cost and figures it in (to what degree I’m not sure at this point) so if you can eke out a little more MPG without dropping your other stats, that might help. Most of the ratings on our cars are very similar, but I have you beat on economy by 8 MPG (AND on sportiness by 1, despite that).

Assuming you haven’t submitted yet, you have time to flesh things out. I’ve already submitted, so if you improve and beat me, I’ll just kick myself later. :smiley:

We tested our car based on Der Bayer’s base model. Given everything we calculated, we are satisfied with our car. Also, this being our first CTC, we are not looking to win, but more take the temperature of the situation so we can have greater success in later ones.

Fair enough. See you in the competition. :smiley:

[size=200][color=#FFBF40]Design[/color][/size]:

[size=150][color=#FF0000]Front Fascia[/color][/size]:
Vicious, isn’t it? The snarling model features a very prominent bass-mouth grille. It also features the newer version of the Horus Headlamps.

[size=150][color=#FF0000]Venti-Ports[/color][/size]:
Just one

[size=150][color=#FF0000]Rear Fascia[/color][/size]:
We are utilizing something known within the brand as the [color=#0000FF]Impact[/color] taillight design. Like the Horus Headlamp design, it revolves around a vent with a taillight in the center. The Impact design, however, utilizes primarily this vent design.

[size=200][color=#FFBF40]Engine[/color][/size]:
Supplied by our new Engine Builders, [color=#FF0000]Smolensk[/color]

God damn, that car seems to cost a fortune! With the help of turbocharging, you can get similar performance at a much lower price. Here is a quick example I made in 5 mins:

Regular quality fuel (91 RON), no quality sliders, “only” 6,8 liter.

The car still looks beautiful, just like your other designs.

Thank you for your interest. This car is not designed to be mass-produced. While it is a production car, it will be sold in very limited quantities for a very small market. The quality of the materials raises the price, but also allows us to be placed second in the Airfield Track. Once again, we would like to stress that we post our engines as a formality to the forum. We are really interested in the public’s opinions, whether negative or positive, about the design. We apologize for the lack of explanation in the previous post. One might be able to understand better once the official results of the Airfield Track time are posted.

I love the bass mouth grill and the way you have designed it. But in not so keen on the vents to the side of it, they look kinda bland and boring, at least to me they do.

Thank you for your response. I really value constructive criticism on my designs. I wanted to incorporate a classic Camoria design cue, but it seems it could stand to be integrated better. Before releasing the car, I did a major overhaul of the rear fascia and some minor touch-ups on the front, but I neglected to work on the side. I will try and edit it to look better.

Edit: Here are the new photos!



[size=200][color=#FFBF40]Design[/color][/size]:

[size=150][color=#FF0000]Front Fascia[/color][/size]:
The front of the car features an array of classic Camoria design. For example, the Signature Grille does make an appearance to support the headlamps. The AM Grille also makes an appearance at the bottom.

[size=150][color=#FF0000]Side Detailing[/color][/size]:
Both of the square wheel flares feature a jagged vent design. How 80s!

[size=150][color=#FF0000]Rear Fascia[/color][/size]:
The rear of the car continues with styling very popular of the 1980s. The taillights have little vents in-between them to add extra detailing.

[size=200][color=#FFBF40]Engine[/color][/size]:
The AM-88, provided by Smolensk

Any particular reason the engine has a lower power output and MTBF in your game? Mine shows 233hp and 49.6 MTBF.

I do not know. I’m glad you like the car :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh right, the compliments :wink: .

I find it amazing how you can carry over a number of design elements throughout decades, and incorporate them into time-appropriate designs.

Haha, thank you! Of course, they do not always have to be compliments. I genuinely do not know why the engine changed values like that. I thought originally it was because the body was an '84 whereas the engine was an '88, but after bringing the car up to '88, the engine did not change. I’m not very concerned, as the engine works well besides this glitch. We hope anyone else viewing this will see the obvious glitch and look past that. We really appreciate the Smolensk team contributing to our company.

I too appreciate the common design elements. Also you have a developed back story which is pretty cool.

As for the engine, could it be because there is insufficient cooling?

We’re not talking about the engine in the car. The engine itself is glitched.

[size=150][color=#FFBF40]Just what does our slogan mean?[/color][/size]

We feel there has been some disagreement on this forum about what we mean when we say “[color=#FF0000]The Best Isn’t Good Enough[/color].” It may seem satisfactory to draw the line between slogan and company, suggesting that our cars will always be the ones that will stand above the rest always. That comparison is all too simple, and our founder, [color=#FFBF40]Babs Camoria[/color] saw far beyond that.

[size=150][color=#00BFFF]You[/color][/size] [size=150][color=#00BFFF]make Camoria better than the best[/color][/size]

Camoria cars are specifically designed to be the most malleable cars possible. We set the bar for you to exceed. Camoria is all about the buyer. We may produce a few wild cars, but our main intention is to create a feeling of personality in our cars. When was the last time a car company made a car you could really role up your sleeves and work on? All of these on-board computers and electrical engineering may work for the functionality, but where’s the personality? Our Camorian Crusaders are the ones who make our motto what it is. So, when you want to write about how our engines are not optimal, think about what that means to the buyer. We made them a car that works perfectly for their needs, but they have the opportunity, nay the privilege, to make their cars their own.

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Your kind words and sincerity are truly unmet by only a select few. Normally, one must go to an alleyway to find people of your virtue.