CSR169 - L'Art D'Arriver [Rules Deliberation]

[Oreology]

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CSR169

L'Art d'Arriver

1930's Luxury coupes

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A rising star of the Lyonnais nouveaux riches, Élise Belcour is as much a fixture of the Paris salons as she is the creative heart of her family’s textile house. Whether navigating silk contracts or the winding roads of the Côte d’Azur, she has long been a passenger to her father’s impeccable, if predictable, taste in motorcars. But as the 1937 season beckons, Élise has found herself captivated by the bel esprit of her contemporaries - women for whom the motorcar is no longer a mere carriage, but a moving sculpture of their own choosing. No longer content with a "family fleet," she seeks her own grand routier: a bespoke commission that marries the precision of a modern chassis with the soul of haute couture. For Élise, this is more than a purchase; it is a quest for a machine that is finally, and purely, sur-mesure.

◆ L’Introduction ◆

Along the corniche, Monte-Carlo spilled out beneath her like a jeweled map. Élise guided her Duesenberg with an unhurried hand, the big engine a low, approving murmur as the Riviera opened up: terraces and palms, white stone catching the moon, and the sea laid flat and star-studded beyond. Inside, the cabin was cool and hushed, a sanctuary of polished wood and supple leather. She ran through the names she would find tonight - the industrialist from Lyon, the Swiss banker, the diplomat’s wife, and others her father would like her to charm. It was a night for being seen, for introductions, and for potential arrangements. The heavy door of the Duesenberg Model J closed with a solid, reassuring click. Élise stepped onto the gravel, watching with an affectionate, almost proprietorial half-smile as the valet eased her father’s car away. It was a magnificent machine, impeccably built, and she liked the commanding view down its long bonnet. Her thought lingered there only briefly before a sharp, eager bark of an exhaust cut the air. “What is that?” Élise asked, more rhetorically to herself, tilting here head as a lacquered, iridescent blue coupe swept into the courtyard and stopped with surprising lightness. Geneviève de Valois, cheeks flushed from the drive, peeled off her gloves and flourished a hand toward the vehicle as if presenting a prize. “Une Delahaye 135MS, carrossée par Figoni,” she announced, pride waving like a banner. “I told him I wanted it to look as if it were flying when it stood still. Has it not a marvellous presence?” her face beaming with a smile. Élise smiled, genuinely pleased by the spectacle. “It’s breathtaking, Geneviève. The chrome work is divine. It does look as if it’s flying.”

Geneviève laughed and patted the curvaceous fender. “Oh, she steers like a dream, too. It’s wonderfully responsive at the wheel - nothing like the lumbering carriages our parents used to drive.” Before Élise could answer, a very different silhouette cut across the casino lights. Where the Delahaye presented itself as sleek and flowing, the new arrival declared itself with more monumental dignity, with an upright, polished grille, a longer, more formal bonnet - a presence that announced itself before the headlights even touched the gravel. As it came to a halt, a woman alighted with easy, practiced poise. “Buona sera!” Caterina called, then, seeing her friends, softened. "Bonsoir, mesdames. Geneviève’s face brightened at once. She moved towards the massive, black car as if drawn by a magnet, her eyes scanning its length with clinical appreciation. Before Caterina could even reach them, Geneviève gave a delighted cry. “Caterina - is this truly a Hispano-Suiza? A j12?” Geneviève circled the front, her voice rising in excitement. “And the coachwork… un Vanvooren, n’est-ce pas? Quelle prestance!” She ran a hand along the flank as if admiring the drape of a heavy velvet. Caterina smiled, clearly pleased by Geneviève’s quick eye. “Si - un J12 carrossé par Vanvooren, cara. My husband preferred something more conservative, but I insisted. I told them I wanted presence for the grand avenues, something that would sit well at a state reception, yet still agreeable on the autostrada - and elegant enough for La Scala.” Élise watched the exchange, noting how the name Hispano-Suiza seemed to hang in the air with a particular weight of its own. She didn’t know the displacement of the engine or the history of the Vanvooren workshop or what Hispano-Suiza is, but she could see the way the light hit the radiator and the way Caterina stood a little taller beside it.

◆ La Cliente ◆

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Design & Aesthetics

Élise's main reason for deciding to commission a car is so that she can be proud of not only owning it, but the pride of being seen with it.

It should look realistic and feasible, with an emphasis on luxury and presence, whether it be through swooping aerodynamic lines or an upright architectural art deco aesthetic.

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Quality & Reliability

Craftsmanship at this level should be of the utmost; and Élise would need to depend on her automobile for her hectic schedule across the continent.

Reliability could be used as an equivalent to build quality and how 'solid' things feel, as well as the quality put into different components.

Comfort

Élise would like the chassis and body of the car to be as comfortable as possible for the cross-continental journeys she likes to do.

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Drivability

Élise would hope that her automobile would be as stress-free as possible when driving it, whether it be crowded city streets, the winding roads of Italy or the Côte d'Azur.

Performance

Élise does not want something slower or less stable than her friend's new automobiles - she would like hers to be as effortlessly capable as her friend's.

Will only measure top speed, cruising RPM, acceleration, and not excessive body roll, as well as lateral G-forces.

Cost

Élise does not mind at all paying a fortune for her desire of a masterpiece on wheels, but she does really care about the value for what she is getting. If the price is exorbitant, is it justifiable enough?

Practicality

Élise would like to be able to carry several of her bags and personal belongings when driving across the continent to social retreats and events.

Practicality stat in-game doesn't work. I will try my best to eye up and 'measure' the possible boot space or interior space myself using the crash test dummy at 1.0x scale.

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Fuel Economy

Élise does not mind at all paying for fuel; it's just annoying when you have to stop frequently to fill up often if the engine is too thirsty.

Prestige

Élise isn't too bothered with what size of engine or number of cylinders her automobile has; the exterior design alone should be able to provide the presence she is looking for. However, she would still like to be taken seriously by others too.

Safety

Élise have heard of others experiencing car accidents, and while she does not intend to speed, she would rather have safety be a consideration during the coachbuilding process.

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◆ Les Directives ◆

◆ Rules ◆

◆ Car Model/Trim Year: 1946 (start of game)
◆ Engine Family/Variant Year: 1946 (start of game)
◆ Lore Model Year: 1937 (this is the actual year of your car)
◆ Body Years: 1938 or earlier (Or Soychaux or Rolls Royce '45 Merlin)
◆ 2 Door Bodies Only (Coupes + Convertibles + Roadsters)
◆ Maximum Cost: 140k AMU
◆ Shared Techpool Budget: 80M
◆ Leaded 92 RON Fuel Only
◆ No Race Parts
◆ Must have at least 1 muffler (reverse flow allowed)
◆ Solid Axle Rear Suspensions Only
◆ Interiors Required: Yes, Medium-Quality
◆ Full 3D Allowed
◆ Forged Engine Internals Allowed)
◆ License Plate: white letters + numbers on black bar
◆ Wheel Width, Diameter, Tyre Diameter ATS Settings Banned
◆ ATS Visibility, Body, Wheel Everywhere Else Allowed
◆ 70-90 Tyre Profiles Only
◆ V16s Allowed

◆ Changelog / Updates ◆

◆ Soychaux body allowed (“Soychaux”) ◆ Rolls Royce body allowed ('45 Merlin) ◆ Full 3D Builds allowed ◆ interiors required (medium-quality: not just basic seats and steering wheel) ◆ 2 Front Seats only (only 2 seater, no +2) ◆ reverse-flow mufflers allowed ◆ Forged engine internals allowed ◆ License Plate is required - just white letters and numbers on a black bar, look at inspirations ◆ Rhd/lhd free, up to you ◆ banned ats settings (wheel width, wheel diameter, tyre diameter) ◆ allowed ats settings (visibility, body, everywhere else) ◆ tyre wheel width and size is free game, only limited by profile: 70-90 profiles only. ◆ final techpool: 80m ◆ final budget: 140k amu ◆ ‘price’ now a 3-star priority (moved up 2 levels)

◆ L’Esthétique ◆

Mercedes-Benz 540K Special Roadster (1936)

Hispano-Suiza J12 (1932-1938)

Delahaye 135MS (1937)

Lancia Astura Flying Star (1938)

Bugatti Type 57

Delage D8 120 S Aero Coupe (1937)

Rolls-Royce Phantom III Coupe (1936)

Packard 1006 Custom Twelve 3068 Coupe

Alfa Romeo 8C 2900B

Bentley 4 Litre Sports Coupe (1938)

Submissions

◆ submit the car to myself @Oreology
◆ Forum post and lore of your car is required
◆ Submissions open on wednesday, january 28
◆ Submissions close on Saturday, February 27

notes / changelog

◆ Soychaux body allowed (“Soychaux”)
◆ Rolls Royce body allowed ('45 Merlin)
◆ Full 3D Builds allowed
◆ interiors required (medium-quality: not just basic seats and steering wheel)
◆ 2 Front Seats only (only 2 seater, no +2)
◆ reverse-flow mufflers allowed
◆ Forged engine internals allowed
◆ License Plate is required - just white letters and numbers on a black bar, look at inspirations
◆ Rhd/lhd free, up to you
◆ banned ats settings (wheel width, wheel diameter, tyre diameter)
◆ allowed ats settings (visibility, body, everywhere else)
◆ tyre wheel width and size is free game, only limited by profile: 70-90 profiles only.
◆ final techpool: 80m
◆ final budget: 140k amu
◆ ‘price’ now a 3-star priority (moved up 2 levels)
◆ V16s Allowed

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[Tsundere-kun]

My eyes

[bang6111]

This is why I use dark mode.

[AMuteCrypt]

Definitely an interesting idea.

Curveball suggestion for techpool: Set it to constant 0, or perhaps a constant negative techpool if you want it to be difficult to make cars. -9 “theoretically” matches the year, but would be a real pain to work with because -9 techpool makes cars suck. Cost could be pretty high to accommodate. This is admittedly influenced by my distaste for the gameplay of optimising techpool, but it’d be fun to see a negative techpool round.

Editing this in, the following are potentially available unlocks to consider with techpool:

• Monocoque (5 techpool)
• Fibreglass (9 techpool)
• CR steel (14 techpool)
• 60 degree V6 and V8s (14 techpool)
• Alu heads (4 techpool)
• Forged light crank (8 techpool)
• Forged conrods (10 techpool, 13 for light)
• Forged pistons (6 for heavy, 10 for medium, 13 for light)
• 2 barrel carbs (2 techpool)
• DCOE (8 techpool)
• 4 barrel carbs (13 techpool)
• Reverse-flow mufflers (4 techpool)
• Automatic gearboxes (4 techpool)
• Radial tyres (9 techpool)
• Sports tyres (7 techpool)
• Rear disc brakes (13 techpool)
• Phonographs (9 techpool)
• Hydraulic ball steering (10 techpool)
• 50s safety (4 for advanced, 9 for standard)
• Progressive springs (9 techpool)

Looking through all of these, I’d say using techpool to unlock anything early should probably be banned, or techpool should be set to zero.

Oh, final edit, any wheelbase limit? Or can I submit using the 5.4m wheelbase Evil body?

Final final edit: will seat count be included with the practicality judgement? Is Élise interested in bringing several people along on her journeys?

[abg7]

We haven’t had a pre-WW2-themed CSR in ages (and none at all in Al-Rilma), so this is a welcome change, at least.

[Capri78]

Very unique idea, you said pre-1938 [Mod] bodies, however the newly added 1945 Merlin body seems like it would also fit this criteria rather well, perhaps an exception for this body?

[CrazyCat808]

France???

[moroza]

Yay to 1930s! Yay to recognizing that Practicality is broken! Yay to interiors!

Smaller Boo to mandatory solid axle. Especially since rear-engined cars were much a thing those days, including in this segment. But in this client’s segment, even FR cars could be had with IRS. Perhaps a cost or other penalty instead?

Bigger Boo to 1938 and older bodies. Especially given the presence of 1930s/40s roof and body parts, body year should be unrestricted. Even without those, some 40s bodies still work quite well:

I kind of like @AMuteCrypt 's idea of a negative techpool round. A good number of technologies that Automation unlocks in the 50s, 60s, or even later were available in the 30s - aluminum blocks, 5-speed gearboxes, DOHC-4 - if almost exclusively on cars with “on request” price tags.

[AKA_NOBUDDY]

hmmm, Guess i’ll do a Model Beta luxueux

[yesnt4060]

no tatra 87 in the inspos?

also we should probably have bodies from about up to 1940 or 1946 since post war cars were typically just 1938 models that were left over
this tatra 87 was 1936-1950 so do with that what you will

[Mad_Cat]

Agreed, the new Peugeot 202 and the Rolls body both work for this challenge very well indeed

[Oreology]

I intentionally left out a lot of the realism rulesets/guides since I’m still thinking how best to translate it in Automation (any suggestions here could be good), but we also have to remember this is strictly taking place in 1937. From what I know:

• Monocoques: No, during this time most cars were built ‘separately’ and most luxury buyers commissioned coachbuilders like Pininfarina to build on top of a ladderframe chassis and engine.
• Fibreglass: Although wood was used in construction, realistically at this segment of ultra-luxury most would be steel and thin aluminum, so no.
• CR Steel: No.
• V6 is extremely uncommon because most manufacturers would just opt for a straight 6 (smoother anyways) or go up to a 90-deg V8 or 60-deg V12.
• You’re right aluminum heads exist but still uncommon; I will think about this one.
• Forged light crank (no, we already have forged steel, I wouldn’t expect materials science to be super advanced yet such that lightweighting and optimization were great priorities)
• Forged Pistons: I’m aware that racing engines were using forged aluminum pistons at the time, although almost all luxury and standard cars used regular cast pistons. I will think about this.
• 2 barrel carbs: Yes I think this existed back then. I will think about how to implement this.
• DCOE: No it’s too advanced for 1930s
• 4 barrel carbs: Hmm no at the time as far as I know 2 barrels are the peak.
• Reverse-Flow Mufflers: I don’t know much about the usage of this, I will look into it.
• Automatic Gearboxes: I don’t know much about the advances of automatics during this time but from what I know they used a primitive form of automatic, so not sure yet - any feedback or ideas on this is appreciated.
• Radial Tyres: No
• Sports Tyres: No
• Rear Disc Brakes: No, too advanced
• Phonographs: No
• Hydraulic Ball Steering: No, almost everything was manual recirculating ball
• 50s Safety: No
• Progressive Springs: No

As for techpool, I'm still thinking about this, because I do need to make most of them negative, I'm still thinking of how to allow some companies to specialize in different stuff.

For 40s bodies, can you guys tell me which bodies specifically? (including with pic of the body family as I don’t know the names of the bodies) I will check the 1945 Merlin body. Also, I’m leaning No currently as if I’m not wrong newer bodies would have an engineering advantage, this is also something I need to double check.

And no Tatra 87 because the client is not looking for a car like that.

As for separate 3D roof parts, hmm I’d say just be careful and make sure it looks realistic for the era, look at inspirations and other 1930s cars.

Rear engined: No.

Rear axles are almost always either solid axle leafs or coils at the time.

Peugeot 202 and the Rolls body

Which one is this sorry can you post a pic of the body family?


Also I will just say the rules will get stricter later, with more defined ATS limits or tyre profile and sizing limits, for realism purposes.

Please remember this is a CSR, I do expect a certain level of realism and I’m genuinely not looking for a cheesefest and will look at the cars through the lens of Élise and whether or not she would actually consider a car or not.

[Mad_Cat]

@Oreology

Which one is this sorry can you post a pic of the body family?

Not on my pc rn but this one (using the longer wheelbases ofc)

[yesnt4060]

isnt that sochaux

[AMuteCrypt]

I definitely agree with the need for ATS limits and tyre sizing guidance. You can get a 225/100C12 in the game. Besides looking absolutely comical, it has superior handling and comfort to the more “sane” options. You’d be well within your rights to bin a car where the sidewall is larger than the rim here on both cheese and aesthetic accounts, but it would be nice to have it explicitly laid out what you do or don’t consider to be realistic.

I tried to research what those realistic options were and walked away confused.

Huh, turns out that cross-ply tyres just don’t have a width limit, only a profile limit. You can run all the way up to something like a 395/100C11. You absolutely shouldn’t, you’ll deserve a bin on multiple accounts, but uh… The game won’t stop you.

[Capri78]

I presume we’d be allowed to hide the chassis via ATS given that one of the like.. 3 eligible bodies otherwise looks like this..

[Oreology]

Yes, hiding the chassis using ATS is expected no worries. I also recommend painting the suspension or drivetrain invisible and use 3D fixtures for a more realistic suspension visual (ie. just an axle or leaf spring or whatever) since sometimes it juts out underneath.

For the tyres, yeah I’m also a bit unsure here as well. Currently leaning on no ATS adjustments allowed for tyres, and a set ‘tyre profile’ range but any suggestions or thoughts on this is welcome.

I’ve played around a bit with the Sochaux body and the Rolls body, they do look fitting for the time. For the sochaux especially, there is a 2-door ‘sedan’ version that I will disallow, since Élise wants a coupe-like proportion.

Coupe-like, long bonnet and cab-back proportions are king here. The Rolls body looks a bit upright even with roof height as low as possible, whilst the sochaux seems to suffer from having a very tall beltline if you put roof height as low as possible. Any input or suggestions here is welcome.

Also what are thoughts on interiors? I am leaning on requiring interiors since it would be cool to see open-top or roadsters as well just to even out the playing field, and from what I remember there is already a bunch of interior mods for these early eras too that shouldn’t be too hard to do I think.

[Izuna]

Real question, is the use of AI to spruce up an ad for an entry allowed?

[Oreology]

Hmm right now I’m leaning towards it’s fine if it’s to place your car in an environment or scene, and for like one or two pics (ie. a cover image or header image or main ad at the top of the post or something). Just no modifying the car itself and to post the actual full in-game pic of the car somewhere in the post if you do too.

[Capri78]

Yeah, there’s a couple interior mods that fit this era quite well.

If you were to make interiors mandatory, would the amount of detail count, or would just throwing in a dashboard, wheel, a couple of seats and some pedals be enough?