FITE ME 4! (entries closed, scrutineering in progress)

Front to back:
1990 Kaufmann Vier GT-S
2020 Lunascura Agheel S
2002 Tristella Oscen 380S

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Sorry for the further delays in replies. I can at least reliably inform you that since the cited closing date, I’ve not received any further entries so I’m happy to declare that I’ll be processing them over the course of the next couple of weeks. I’ll advise each of you of the legality via reply DM.

Once everything’s tabulated, there will be some cuts but hopefully in such a way that everybody who entered has at least one vehicle in. No guarantees tho, it depends on the spread and the penalty points.

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Took me longer than expected but have now actually finished my automated scrutineering spreadsheet, and am slowly going through the cars. In the interests of time, I will inform each of you privately of DQs or penalty points as I go as I’ll only be able to probably process 4-5 cars a day so it’ll take me the rest of this week! But at least I’ve started.

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Famous last words ^

Shortly after that post I got sick while starting a new posting and it wiped me out for the entire week. Then I had a crazy next week at work because I wasn’t acquainted with the job and I suddenly had to cover a bunch of extra stuff.

Things are settling down now so I’m back into the swing of it. I can now announce that I have processed the 13 unique 90s entries (not including my test car). You should have received a DM about the outcome of your 90s entry (if not, let me know ASAP).

What I can reveal to you now is that there was 1 outright illegal entry that has been insta-:wastebasket: . Following this there are 3 entries with 20 or more penalty points. As the next entry down on basis of penalty points has less than 10, these too will be excluded as they are significant outliers (I’ve also notified you of this via DMs).

This leaves 9 legal and reasonable entries. As I did say I’d be taking 8 per decade, I’ll be plotting the data in more detail and publishing it here before I make a decision on the final car to drop for this decade. Then I’ll announce all those results, and rinse and repeat for the 00s and 10s.

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Looking forward to the next phase! (if I survive :stuck_out_tongue:)

Next Update!

After a lot of faffing around, I finally completed the 00s scrutineering. There were, uh, a few illegal entries and quite a lot of penalty points going around. Those of you that have legal entries with 0 points, you can be fairly confident your car will be driven. As for the rest, well, I have some tallying up to do.

I hope to get the 10s done over the weekend and then some final decisions announced, because after that, I’m going to have a baby in my arms so the driving stage will probably proceed at a similarly slow pace, but at least the exports will be safe from the upcoming update rolling over from Beta!

Edit: further to my previous post, the tally for the 00s so far:

  • Total entries: 12 (not including my “real car” benchmark)
  • Total illegal entries: 2
  • Entries with penalty points: 4
  • Entries that are both illegal and have penalty points: 1

As I am entering 8 cars into each category, I also need to look at the data and figure out what the greater collective sin is. Given the focus is mostly on tyre vs power and weight distribution dynamics, most likely things like too much/little power, too much tyre, and too much downforce will be the biggest things to watch out for. Buggy things like the brake fade changing from 0 to 0.1% when exporting should matter less if the brakes are sufficiently ventilated. In some circumstances if someone’s made a particularly idiosyncratic high budget choice which has no meaningful impact on performance, that mightn’t be too much of an issue either. Stay tuned for decision making!

Meanwhile I’ll press on and knock out the 10s category now.

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Nothing like impending fatherhood to motivate me to finish the initial stages of this project!

All of the entries have now been examined. I shall present the raw data for checking shortly. Open disclosure: in the process of checking, some of the entries have presented to me ways in which the rules have been a bit redundant or unfair if applied by the letter (for example, why is 1 wing/spoiler and 2 lips allowed, but not 3 lips, when wings and spoilers are far more effective as a Automation fixture than lips). In other cases there are bugs (0 brake fade somehow becoming 0.1% brake fade on export). For these matters there have been workarounds. Some of the entries fell afoul of porting from one challenge to another and were simply too illegal to be rectified for this challenge.

First up, here is the data from the 90s entry, the biggest roster.

Username donutsnail HowlerAutomotive xepy Vento Conan abg7 mart1n2005 NormanVauxhall Tsundere-kun Riley AndiD Ludvig Happyhungryhippo
Model Name Turból j30 v6 24v Evo Howler Wraith H Kaufmann Vier GT-S Clari Vifrayon AG Type C 4.0 TSC Thunderwolf V8 5.0 GT Knightwick pulse rwd test BMMA Dolphine Sprint-R TBR Arcana Zephorus RS20 C Mara Kavaler Mk2 4.6 AMM Howler Wraith H Primus Merit C320s
Decade 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90
Model Year 1990 1990 1990 1992 1993 1995 1996 1996 1996 1997 1998 1998 1999
Wheelbase 2.54 2.42 2.39 2.44 2.28 2.69 2.42 2.48 2.27 2.23 2.69 2.8 2.7
Panel Material Steel Steel partial alu partial alu Steel Partial Alu Partial Alu Partial Alu Fibre Glass steel Partial Alu Partial Alu Treated steel
Chassis Type monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque
Chassis Material galvanised steel Steel steel galvanised steel Steel Corrosion res. Steel Steel Galvanised Steel Corrosion res. Steel Steel Galvanised steel Galvanised steel galvanised steel
Engine Placement front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal
Front Suspension double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone macpherson strut double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone
Rear Suspension double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone multilink double wishbone multilink double wishbone multilink double wishbone double wishbone semi trailing arm Multilink Multilink
Chassis Tech Pool 5 9 5 5 10 5 5 5 8 5 8 7 5
Engine Year 1990 1990 1990 1990 1993 1995 1996 1996 1996 1997 1998 1998 1999
Block Layout V 60 V 60 inline V 60 V 90 V 90 inline inline V 90 inline V 90 Boxer V 60
Cylinders 6 12 4 8 8 8 4 6 8 4 8 6 6
Block Material Cast Iron aluminium aluminium Cast Iron AlSi AlSi aluminium AlSi AlSi AlSi Cast Iron AlSi Aluminium
Family Capacity 2497 4998 1998 3726 3992 5000 1998 4103 4997 1997 4580 3700 3498
Head DOHC DOHC DOHC DOHC Push Rod DOHC DOHC DOHC Push Rod DOHC DAOHC DOHC SOHC
Valves 4 4 4 2 2 4 4 4 2 4 2 4 4
Block Tech Pool 10 15 8 5 5 5 5 5 8 5 8 7 6
Internal Tech Pool 0 5 5 5 0 5 5 5 0 5 4 2 6
RPM Limit 7900 9300 8000 7600 6600 7000 7000 8100 6200 9000 6500 7900 6800
Valve Tech Pool 10 2 5 5 10 5 5 5 6 5 6 6 6
Aspiration Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated
Turbos 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Boost
Boost limit
Inducer
Exducer
Turbo Tech Pool 0 0 0 5 0 5 5 5 0 5 0 0 0
Fuel System MPFI MPFI MPFI SPFI MPFI MPFI MPFI MPFI MPFI Direct Injection MPFI MPFI DI
Configuration Single Single Per Cylinder Single Twin Single Per Cylinder Single Per Cylinder Per Cylinder Per Cylinder
RON 95 95 95 95 95 95 95 95 95 95 91 95 95
Injection Tech Pool 6 7 7 5 10 5 5 5 8 5 8 7 7
Catalytic Converter High Flow 3-Way High Flow 3-Way High Flow 3-Way 3-Way High Flow 3-Way 3-way High Flow 3-Way 3-way High Flow 3-Way High Flow 3-Way 3-way High Flow 3-Way High Flow 3-Way
Exhaust Tech Pool 4 1 5 5 5 5 5 5 8 5 4 3 5
Power (bhp) 234 450 226 257 268 380 161 314 255 224 303 342 238
Torque (Nm) 238 477 224 271 344 502 199 315 343 218 382 400 332
Engine Loudness 56.8 60 59.6 59.3 54.3 35.3 46.8 57 46.3 56.7 39.2 50.2 50.5
Reliability 80.5 64 70.1 63.6 80.1 66.7 70.8 64.5 79.7 59.9 91.1 73.5 69
Engine PU 45.4 79.5 44.9 33.6 47.6 56.3 33.5 50.8 43.3 49.7 44.8 66.6 54.5
Engine ET 97.1 59.6 81 72.1 96.3 80.9 89.5 70.5 64.6 100 84.1 87 77.3
Engine Stress 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Engine Total Tech Pool 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 25 30
Body Tech Pool 0 0 5 5 10 5 5 5 0 5 6 4 5
Wings 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0
Spoilers 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1
Lips 1 2 2 0 0 1 1 1 2 2 1 2 1
Drive Type FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR
Gearbox Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual
No. Gears 5 5 5 6 5 6 5 6 5 5 5 6 6
Top speed 236 292 243 292 327 322 264 332 285 253 306 331 291
Differential Clutched Geared Geared Clutched Geared Geared Viscous Geared Open Geared Geared Geared Geared
Gearbox Tech Pool 5 15 5 5 10 5 5 5 5 5 4 6 5
Tyre Type Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial
Tyre Choice Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports
Tyre Width Front 235 255 205 215 215 245 205 214 205 195 235 225 195
Tyre Width Rear 235 255 205 215 235 285 205 245 225 195 235 225 225
Wheel Diam Front 16 17 16 16 16 18 15 16 15 16 15 17 17
Wheel Diam Rear 16 17 16 16 16 18 15 16 15 16 15 17 17
Profile Front 45 45 55 50 55 40 50 50 60 55 60 45 50
Profile Rear 45 45 55 50 50 35 50 45 55 55 60 45 40
Rim Material Alloy Magnesium Alloy Steel Alloy Magnesium Alloy Alloy Alloy Alloy Alloy Magnesium Alloy
Wheel Tech Pool 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Front Brakes Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc
Pots 2 3 3 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 2 4
Size 270 310 325 325 325 365 275 325 300 300 300 325 325
Rear Brakes Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Solid Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc
Pots 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2
Size 245 275 310 260 325 345 275 285 285 250 345 285 295
Pad Type 70 70 70 62 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70
Brake Fade Sport 0 0 0 0.8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Brake Tech Pool 5 5 5 5 0 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 5
Undertray Semi Clad Sport none Semi Clad Semi Clad None None Semi Clad Fully Clad Semi Clad Semi Clad Semi Clad Sport Undertray
Active Aero No No No No No No No No No No No No No
Brake Airflow 50 60 41 55 50 55 25 25 40 100 80 50 15
Aero Tech Pool 5 7 5 5 0 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 5
Convertible Type No None None Detachable Soft Top Manual Soft Top None Manual Soft Top None None Manual Soft Top None None No
Seats 4 2 2 2 2 2 2 4 2 2+2 4 4 4
Rows 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
Interior Sports Standard Sports Sports Sports Premium Sports Premium Sports Premium Sport Sports Premium
Entertainment Standard Cassette Standard Cassette Premium Cassette Basic Cassette Basic Cassette Premium CD Basic Cassette Premium CD Basic CD Premium CD Premium CD Standard CD Premium CD
Interior Tech Pool 10 0 5 5 5 5 5 5 7 5 8 5 5
Steering Variable hydraulic Manual Rack & Pinion Manual Rack & Pinion Variable Hydraulic Hydraulic R&P Variable Hydraulic Variable Hydraulic Hydraulic R&P Variable Hydraulic Variable Hydraulic Hydraulic R&P Variable Hydraulic Variable hydraulic
Traction Aids ABS ABS ABS ABS None TC + ABS None ABS ABS ESC ABS TC + ABS ESC
Control Tech Pool 5 0 5 5 0 5 5 5 5 5 4 5 5
Safety Standard Advanced Basic Standard Basic Advanced Standard Standard Standard Advanced Standard Standard Advanced
Safety Decade 80 90 80 90 80 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90
Safety Tech Pool 5 4 5 5 0 5 5 5 5 5 4 3 5
Springs Standard Progressive Progressive Progressive Standard Progressive Progressive Progressive Standard Progressive Progressive Progressive Progressive
Dampers Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube
Sway Bars Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Semi-Active Passive
Suspension Tech Pool 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 3 3 5
Drive 53.5 50.2 50.2 58.1 54.2 58 51.6 56.8 57.2 64.6 53 60 68
Sport 46.8 60.3 58.5 42.1 43.9 50.4 42.7 40.2 55.5 45.3 34.3 49.6 34.2
Comfort 14.5 9.5 21.4 18.5 15.1 15.1 1.9 26.1 15.5 14.4 28.4 26.9 32.2
Prestige 39.7 43 40.8 35.5 37.5 51 29.2 42 41.4 34.1 50.9 45.2 42
Safety 44.9 51.8 36.5 43.2 30.6 56.7 40.4 47.7 38.1 47.3 52.1 50.2 55.7
Trim Reliability 79.1 69.3 67.8 70.4 79.4 68.8 73.3 69 79.1 66.9 82.1 75.3 69.7
Fuel Economy 11.4 17.2 10 18.4 13.5 13.9 7.7 11.8 13.7 9.6 14.5 10.4 10.1
Weight 1193.2 1289.5 990 1450.6 1276 1485 1220.3 1361.1 991.9 1232.7 1471 1452.4 1455.1
bhp:metric ton 196 349 228 177 210 256 132 231 257 182 206 235 164
Material Costs 5840.4 7087.6 7728.9 4689.9 6942.3 9375.9 4862.3 7185.7 8005.8 4657.2 6649.3 8470.4 7633.5
Trim PU 90.7 79.9 86.4 72.3 67.9 74.7 70.3 74.4 108 74.9 81.8 86.5 86.2
Trim ET 85.8 89.5 92.1 66.6 56.2 71.5 68.9 70.6 74.5 74.2 67.7 70.8 76.9
Approximate Cost 23000 25000 24400 16000 20400 25000 17000 21500 24900 20500 21300 27200 24600
Front Downforce -17 -54.2 -23.7 -91.9 -77.2 -86 -57.3 -21.7 -35.9 -8.51 -44.7 -73.8 -50.3
Rear Downforce -1.44 49.9 23 28.2 -43.9 -23.3 -18.2 0.2 -6.06 49.4 -30.5 -21.5 21.7
Weight Distribution 50.5 51.4 50 53.9 48.1 51.7 51.7 55.4 51.4 51.3 52.3 53.1 49.5
Quarter mile 14.35 12.06 13.62 14.23 13.27 12.55 15.9 13.27 13.39 13.86 13.74 12.9 13.86
Small cornering g 1.12 1.1 1.17 1.04 1.1 1.15 1.05 1.09 1.12 1.1 1.02 1.07 1.05
Large cornering g 1.09 1.14 1.12 1.01 1.03 1.08 1 1.07 1.08 1.09 0.989 1.02 1.02
Automation Test Track 139.83 128.18 137.39 143.78 137.97 133.04 149.83 137.18 135.88 141.16 141.64 136.57 142.27
Airfield 84.81 77.26 83.24 86.91 83.5 80.12 91.25 82.97 82.16 85.36 85.87 82.33 86.01
Trim Total Tech Pool 45 45 45 50 40 45 45 45 45 45 45 41 45
Legality Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Total Penalty Points 0 0 0 16 2 0 20 0 29 7 0 27 4

Curiously, nobody used a turbo in the car, which is a slight shame because turbo power was a real sporting boom in the 90s.

As you can see there is 1 irredeemably illegal entry leaving a field of 12. 3 of them have 20 or more penalty points due to a combination of wheelbase, tyre width, power, and blowing the budget by a significant margin. All of these factors are significant and so it is reasonable these entries are dropped from this segment.

This leaves 9 entries where 8 shall go through. As I mentioned before, the decision will rest on the performance data points. Conan’s penalty points were purely for a wheelbase 2cm short which is nothing and everything else is in order so that’s safe. Riley’s entry has a significant issue of a short wheelbase which does affect the handling. However Happyhungryhippo’s entry has a low power to weight ratio and has relatively narrow tyres for the weight.

To illustrate I’ll paste the relevant transposed data as an image:

What’s immediately striking is that Riley’s entry and Hippo’s entry are vastly different but end up yielding very similar times (as per the Automation driver, which we’ve clearly demonstrated in the past is not the same as actually driving the car in Beam). Riley’s car is in fact the least powerful in the segment, whereas Hippos is one of the heaviest, plus the tyres are narrower. I suspect the real difference in the Automation times is a combination of raw power and the supposed drive/sport ratio. One contributing factor would be because Riley’s car is on narrower tyres and it’s a square, not staggered setup.

Ultimately, while the wheelbase is a bit too small, I am quite lacking in entries on the lighter side which were more prevalent in the 90s and overall, Riley’s entry remains a closer match to the original spec of this challenge (sport coupes, but performance sedans were allowed). It makes the data points just that bit more even compared to the Primus Merit C320s, therefore for the 90s the final spot shall go to the Zephorus RS20C.

This means the cars that will be driven in Beam for the 90s are:

Username Model Name
abg7 TSC Thunderwolf V8 5.0 GT
AndiD Mara Kavaler Mk2 4.6 AMM
Conan AG Type C 4.0
donutsnail Turból j30 v6 24v Evo
HowlerAutomotive Howler Wraith H
NormanVauxhall BMMA Dolphine Sprint-R
Riley Zephorus RS20 C
xepy Kaufmann Vier GT-S
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Next is the 00s:

Username mart1n2005 HowlerAutomotive Ch_Flash Happyhungryhippo Xepy Vento GassTiresandOil Randomtuner abg7 Conan AndiD Riley
Model Name Valiant Talon LT-ram package Octania Silhouette Otari OMG FM4 Globus Phoenix Dominator 5.7 Hellraiser Tristella Oscen 380S Fosselo Inlonte Armor Hurricane GT Striscia Nobile V8 TSC Thunderwolf II 5.4 GTS Mitsushita RS2 2000 GT Mara Paragon 4.0 SE42 Zephorus Focoso
Decade 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Model Year 2000 2001 2003 2003 2004 2005 2005 2006 2006 2009 2009 2009
Wheelbase 2.46 2.55 2.46 2.9 2.33 2.54 2.72 2.58 2.67 2.32 2.54 2.58
Panel Material partial alu steel Partial alu aluminium partial alu aluminium partial alu partial alu partial alu partial alu partial alu fibre glass
Chassis Type monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque
Chassis Material galvanised steel steel Light AHS Steel galvanised steel ahs steel light AHS steel light AHS steel corrosion res steel light AHS Steel light AHS Steel AHS steel galvanised steel
Engine Placement front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal
Front Suspension double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone
Rear Suspension solid axle coil semi trailing arm Multilink semi trailing arm multilink multilink multilink multilink multilink double wishbone multilink multilink
Chassis Tech Pool 7 5 5 5 5 5 0 5 5 10 8 5
Engine Year 2000 2001 2003 2003 2004 2005 2005 2006 2006 2009 2009 2009
Block Layout V 90 V 90 V 60 V 90 Inline V 60 V 90 V 90 V 90 Inline V 90 Inline
Cylinders 8 8 6 8 5 8 8 8 8 4 8 6
Block Material Aluminium Cast Iron AlSi AlSi AlSi Cast Iron AlSi Aluminium AlSi AlSi AlSi AlSi
Family Capacity 5665 6497 2596 5695 1997 4012 4415 4798 5400 1998 3995 4199
Head Push Rod Push Rod DOHC DOHC DOHC SOHC SOHC DOHC DOHC DOHC SOHC DOHC
Valves 2 2 4 4 4 3 3 4 4 4 4 4
Block Tech Pool 8 9 5 6 5 5 9 5 5 3 8 5
Internal Tech Pool 5 5 5 6 5 5 4 5 5 4 4 5
RPM Limit 6000 6800 8000 6800 8400 8900 6500 7700 7200 9100 7000 7500
Valve Tech Pool 7 5 5 6 5 5 4 5 5 7 6 5
Aspiration Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Turbo Naturally Aspirated Turbo Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated
Turbos 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Boost 0 0 Wastegate 0 Smart Boost
Boost limit 0.8 1.3
Inducer 61.4 54.2
Exducer 76 77
Turbo Tech Pool 0 0 5 0 5 5 0 5 5 0 0 5
Fuel System MPFI MPFI DI DI DI MPFI MPFI DI MPFI DI MPFI MPFI
Configuration Twin Per Cylinder Per Cylinder Twin Per Cylinder Twin Twin Twin Twin Per Cylinder Twin Per cylinder
RON 95 95 95 95 95 95 95 95 95 95 91 95
Injection Tech Pool 5 10 5 7 5 5 8 5 5 10 8 5
Catalytic Converter High Flow 3-Way High Flow 3-Way High Flow 3-Way High Flow 3-Way High Flow 3-Way 3-way High Flow 3-Way 3-way 3-way High Flow 3-Way 3-way High Flow 3-Way
Exhaust Tech Pool 5 1 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 4 5
Power (bhp) 332 450 405 445 379 370 324 408 450 258 310 380
Torque (Nm) 486 552 494 579 470 352 415 529 543 241 404 461
Engine Loudness 51.1 57.7 53.4 54.4 37.3 66.1 49.5 43.3 36 55.7 39.6 54.3
Reliability 82.7 75.1 58.8 77.4 63.8 61.8 83.3 70.1 74.3 82 93.6 74.5
Engine PU 40.5 43 59.3 64.9 53.6 46.5 46.1 68.4 57.2 58.3 51.4 53.4
Engine ET 69.5 41.8 80.5 82.3 87.6 71.6 55.7 88.9 75 130.3 82.7 73.2
Engine Stress 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Engine Total Tech Pool 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30
Body Tech Pool 7 0 5 5 5 5 0 5 5 10 6 5
Wings 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 0 0
Spoilers 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 1
Lips 1 0 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 0 1 0
Drive Type FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR
Gearbox Manual Adv. Automatic Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual Manual
No. Gears 6 6 6 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6
Top speed 333 256 308 320 323 350 331 338 339 336 330 353
Differential Geared Clutched Geared Geared Electric Geared Geared Viscous Geared Geared Geared Geared
Gearbox Tech Pool 8 10 5 5 5 5 7 5 5 10 4 5
Tyre Type Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial
Tyre Choice Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports
Tyre Width Front 245 275 225 185 215 175 255 215 245 225 225 215
Tyre Width Rear 245 275 255 225 245 235 265 275 285 235 225 245
Wheel Diam Front 18 16 19 19 18 18 17 19 19 18 17 20
Wheel Diam Rear 18 16 19 19 18 18 17 19 19 18 17 20
Profile Front 50 45 50 65 45 45 45 45 40 40 45 45
Profile Rear 50 45 45 55 40 40 40 35 35 40 45 40
Rim Material Alloy Magnesium Alloy Alloy Alloy Magnesium Alloy Alloy Magnesium Alloy Alloy Alloy
Wheel Tech Pool 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Front Brakes Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Solid Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc
Pots 4 6 3 6 3 1 3 4 4 2 2 1
Size 325 325 370 340 325 375 350 315 365 350 350 350
Rear Brakes Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Solid Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc
Pots 1 1 2 3 1 1 1 3 2 1 1 1
Size 325 270 350 395 300 320 305 285 325 330 300 300
Pad Type 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70
Brake Fade Sport 0 0 0 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Brake Tech Pool 5 5 5 5 5 5 2 5 5 0 4 5
Undertray Semi Clad None Semi Clad Semi Clad Sport Sport Semi Clad None None Semi Clad Fully Clad Semi Clad
Active Aero No No No No No No No No No No No No
Brake Airflow 45 65 50 15 53 0 80 34 50 15 25 80
Aero Tech Pool 5 5 5 5 5 5 2 5 5 10 4 5
Convertible Type None None None None None None None None None Manual Soft Top None None
Seats 2+2 4 2 2+2 2 2 4 2 2 2 2 2
Rows 2 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1
Interior Premium Sports Sports Premium Sport Sport Standard Premium Premium Sports Sports Sports
Entertainment Premium Premium Satnav Premium CD Standard Standard Premium SatNav Premium Premium SatNav Premium SatNav Basic Premium SatNav Premium SatNav
Interior Tech Pool 5 12 5 5 5 5 7 5 5 0 8 5
Steering Variable Hydraulic Hydraulic R&P Hydraulic R&P Electric Hydraulic R&P Electric Variable Variable Hydraulic Hydraulic R&P Variable Hydraulic Variable Hydraulic Variable Hydraulic Variable Hydraulic
Traction Aids TC + ABS TC + ABS ESC TC + ABS TC + ABS TC + ABS ABS ABS ESC ABS TC + ABS ESC + LC
Control Tech Pool 3 4 5 5 5 5 3 5 5 0 4 5
Safety Standard Standard Advanced Standard Standard Standard Standard Standard Advanced Basic Standard Advanced
Safety Decade 90 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10
Safety Tech Pool 2 4 5 5 5 5 2 5 5 0 4 5
Springs progressive Progressive progressive progressive progressive progressive progressive progressive progressive standard standard Progressive
Dampers Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube Gas Mono-Tube gas mono-tube Gas Mono-Tube
Sway Bars Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive
Suspension Tech Pool 3 0 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 3 5
Drive 51.9 52.9 56.3 59.9 50.8 61.6 58.1 54.6 63.4 60.1 62.1 64.2
Sport 44.7 36.5 47 24.8 54.2 58.5 45.6 39.2 51.5 57.8 51 57.8
Comfort 5 24.5 26.6 24.4 23.2 7.7 23.5 24.4 16.5 15.1 34 15.8
Prestige 49.9 49.9 52.1 47.1 42.8 56.3 45 52.6 55.2 36 53.5 48.5
Safety 48.2 49.6 58.2 50.9 50.2 48.4 49 50.8 60.5 37.7 52.7 56.7
Trim Reliability 75 70.5 67.2 73.8 69.6 68.8 76.4 66.1 72.2 77.2 81.2 74.2
Fuel Economy 15.2 23.3 10.8 11.5 8.4 20.5 12.7 13.8 14.9 6.7 10.7 11.6
Weight 1481.9 1453.9 1424.2 1496.7 1193.5 1236 1456 1543.7 1530 1269.7 1251.9 1448.8
bhp:metric ton 224 310 284 297 318 299 223 264 294 203 248 262
Material Costs 7201.7 7975.2 11177.6 6885.3 10675.5 10675.5 11856 11543.8 12237.5 11826 7816.9 9932.7
Trim PU 84.2 83.9 83.2 94.7 89.7 89.7 68.6 78.5 77.6 70.8 87.2 100.9
Trim ET 84 89.4 83 66.7 79.5 79.5 112.9 77.8 78.8 67.5 74.3 85.7
Approximate Cost 22900 23000 29400 27500 28800 29800 30000 30000 28500 30000 24400 29100
Front Downforce -93.4 -116 -29.7 -99.7 8.84 -35.6 -62.1 -128 -94.3 -69.3 -31.3 -147
Rear Downforce 6.17 48.7 62.3 -35.2 48.4 49.7 -17.1 49.7 5.13 -65.5 -29.2 47.4
Weight Distribution 53.4 50.7 48.4 52.4 49.8 52.9 52.4 47.5 49 49.1 52.2 52.7
Quarter mile 13.02 12.31 12.06 12.55 11.7 12.43 13.15 12.55 12.06 13.39 12.55 12.55
Small cornering g 1.02 1.11 1.13 0.948 1.19 1.04 1.13 1.08 1.15 1.14 1.12 1.12
Large cornering g 1.04 1.11 1.13 0.907 1.2 1.03 1.08 1.04 1.1 1.06 1.07 1.07
Automation Test Track 137.84 130.99 130.19 138.05 126.95 133.96 135.6 134.2 130.37 136.74 133.69 133.15
Airfield 83.02 79.04 78.6 83.77 76.7 81.12 81.9 81.02 78.56 82.72 80.58 80.3
Trim Total Tech Pool 45 45 45 45 45 45 28 45 45 45 45 45
Legality Y Y N N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Total Penalty Points 0 0 0 17 13 2 0 0 0 31 0 0

As you can see, 2 of the entries are illegal. Ch_Flash put in too many spoilers and that resulted in the car having significantly too much downforce to be fair for this challenge. Hippo was simply unlucky with that brake fade bug, which I would have overlooked if not for the penalty points most of which were due to submitting a car with an entirely too long wheelbase which implies a class of vehicle which is outside the scope of this challenge, so that too, is out.

Then there were 2 other entries with more than 10 penalty points: Xepy’s Tristella Oscen, which has rear tyres significantly wider than the weight-regulated maximum for this challenge, which does have a very large impact on performance parity so sadly I’m going to have to drop that one, and Conan’s Mitsushita, which I think he somehow forgot to check the engine ET which would explain why it has such a crazy specific output for a naturally aspirated 2L i4 that normally you’d have to get the engine rebuilt at Spoon or something to get that much power. So, I think fair to say I have to drop that one too.

This does leave us with the 8 entries on the dot. In terms of the data:

All of these cars got a bit heavy didn’t they. Well, it is what it is, and as far as I’m concerned the 00s weren’t exactly a golden era for the light sports car segment. This said, your Beam entries for this decade are:

Username Model Name
abg7 TSC Thunderwolf II 5.4 GTS
AndiD Mara Paragon 4.0 SE42
GassTiresandOil Armor Hurricane GT
HowlerAutomotive Octania Silhouette
mart1n2005 Valiant Talon LT-ram package
Randomtuner Striscia Nobile V8
Riley Zephorus Focoso
Vento Fosselo Inlonte
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And now onto the 10s!

Username abg7 AndiD mart1n2005 Tsundere-kun donutsnail Xepy HowlerAutomotive Lazar Ludvig Riley
Model Name TSC Tigereye 3.5S Mara Paragon 2.3 SE42 BSC 4000 by Carrosserie Marin Calcote L250 Turból Centurion t38 Lunascura Agheel S Elmsley Sundance 3600 Super EFI Cura Swanson 337SC Zephorus KS ZRD
Decade 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10
Model Year 2010 2012 2014 2018 2018 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020
Wheelbase 2.46 2.54 2.58 2.6 2.75 2.78 2.3 2.52 2.75 2.52
Panel Material partial alu partial alu aluminium aluminium partial alu aluminium partial alu treated steel Aluminium Partial Alu
Chassis Type monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque monocoque
Chassis Material Light AHS Steel AHS steel AHS steel AHS steel light AHS steel AHS steel steel AHS steel AHS steel Corrosion Res. Steel
Engine Placement front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal front longitudinal
Front Suspension double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone double wishbone
Rear Suspension multilink multilink double wishbone multilink multilink multilink semi trailing arm Multilink Multilink Multilink
Chassis Tech Pool 5 8 6 8 10 5 5 5 7 5
Engine Year 2010 2012 2014 2018 2018 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020
Block Layout Inline Inline Inline Inline Inline V 90 V60 Inline Boxer Inline
Cylinders 6 4 6 4 4 8 6 4 6 6
Block Material AlSi AlSi Cast Iron AlSi AlSi AlSi Cast Iron Cast Iron AlSi AlSi
Family Capacity 3500 2297 3992 1995 2495 3799 3599 1991 3700 2998
Head DOHC DOHC DOHC DOHC DOHC DOHC SOHC DOHC DOHC DOHC
Valves 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
Block Tech Pool 5 8 7 8 10 10 10 5 8 5
Internal Tech Pool 5 4 5 0 2 5 5 5 3 5
RPM Limit 7500 7400 6500 6500 6400 8600 7400 7300 8700 7000
Valve Tech Pool 5 6 5 6 10 5 5 5 7 5
Aspiration Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Turbo Turbo Turbo Naturally Aspirated Naturally Aspirated Turbo Naturally Aspirated Turbo
Turbos 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 1
Boost Boost Control Smart Boost Smart Boost Smart Boost Smart Boost
Boost limit 0.45 1.05 1 1.55 0.75
Inducer 61.6 44.9 59.2 45.5 56.1
Exducer 74 59 70 67.5 68
Turbo Tech Pool 5 0 7 0 10 0 0 5 0 5
Fuel System DI MPFI MPFI DI DI DI SPFI DI DI DI
Configuration Per Cylinder Single Single Single Single Per Cylinder Single Per Cylinder Per Cylinder Per Cylinder
RON 95 95 95 95 95 95 95 95 95 95
Injection Tech Pool 5 8 3 8 10 5 5 5 8 5
Catalytic Converter High Flow 3-Way 3-way High flow 3-way High flow 3-way 3-way High Flow 3-way 3-way High Flow 3-Way High Flow 3-Way High Flow 3-Way
Exhaust Tech Pool 5 4 3 8 10 5 5 5 4 5
Power (bhp) 360 211 396 294 379 448 274 435 390 408
Torque (Nm) 383 246 577 431 544 440 321 520 422 606
Engine Loudness 55.9 40.1 54.5 35 36.8 59.2 46.3 52.7 49.3 56.4
Reliability 75.9 95.9 82.1 94 106.4 80.6 76.6 40.3 93.3 82.8
Engine PU 52.2 34.4 50.5 40.4 39.7 65.6 33.5 49.8 70 59.4
Engine ET 72.7 76.3 95 75.7 74.7 64.9 36.3 94.5 99 77.9
Engine Stress 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Engine Total Tech Pool 30 30 30 30 52 30 30 30 30 30
Body Tech Pool 5 6 7 0 0 5 0 5 5 5
Wings 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0
Spoilers 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1
Lips 2 1 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2
Drive Type FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR FR
Gearbox Manual Manual Adv. Automatic Manual Dual Clutch Dual Clutch Adv Automatic Dual Clutch Manual Manual
No. Gears 6 6 6 6 7 7 6 9 6 6
Top speed 321 317 360 366 416 318 254 313 335 322
Differential Geared Geared Geared Geared Electric Geared Clutched Geared Geared Geared
Gearbox Tech Pool 5 4 4 5 5 5 15 5 5 5
Tyre Type Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial Radial
Tyre Choice Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports Sports
Tyre Width Front 225 215 255 225 255 245 215 245 245 235
Tyre Width Rear 255 215 285 245 275 275 215 245 245 255
Wheel Diam Front 19 17 19 18 20 20 16 20 18 19
Wheel Diam Rear 19 17 19 18 20 20 16 20 18 19
Profile Front 40 50 45 55 35 35 50 40 40 40
Profile Rear 35 50 40 50 35 35 50 40 40 40
Rim Material Magnesium Alloy Alloy Alloy Alloy Alloy Alloy Alloy Magnesium Alloy
Wheel Tech Pool 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Front Brakes Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc
Pots 4 2 4 3 4 6 3 6 2 2
Size 375 325 350 340 355 400 295 365 325 350
Rear Brakes Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc Vented Disc
Pots 2 1 1 2 2 1 1 3 1 2
Size 335 280 300 340 345 360 255 295 285 350
Pad Type 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70
Brake Fade Sport 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Brake Tech Pool 5 4 5 5 0 5 5 5 4 5
Undertray None Fully Clad Semi Clad Semi Clad Flow Optimized Sport Undertray Semi Clad Flow Optimized Sport Undertray Sport Undertray
Active Aero No No No No No No No No No No
Brake Airflow 50 0 40 50 100 99 55 50 50 100
Aero Tech Pool 5 4 6 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Convertible Type None None None None None None Detachable Soft Top None None None
Seats 2 2 2 2 4 2+2 2 2 4 2
Rows 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 1
Interior Premium Sports Sports Premium Premium Premium Standard Premium Sport Sport
Entertainment Premium Premium Premium Standard Premium Premium Standard Luxury Standard Standard
Interior Tech Pool 5 8 5 7 10 5 3 5 5 5
Steering Variable Hydraulic Variable Hydraulic Electric Variable Electric Variable Electric Variable Electric Variable Electric Variable Electric Variable Electric Variable Variable Hydraulic
Traction Aids ESC TC + ABS ESC + LC ESC ESC + LC ESC ESC ESC + LC ESC ESC + LC
Control Tech Pool 5 4 3 5 5 5 10 5 7 5
Safety Advanced Standard Standard Standard Standard Basic Standard Advanced Standard Advanced
Safety Decade 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 20 10 20
Safety Tech Pool 5 4 3 5 5 5 0 5 3 5
Springs progressive standard progressive standard standard progressive progressive progressive progressive progressive
Dampers gas mono-tube gas mono-tube gas mono-tube gas mono-tube gas mono-tube gas mono-tube gas mono-tube gas mono-tube gas mono-tube gas mono-tube
Sway Bars Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive Passive
Suspension Tech Pool 5 3 6 5 5 5 2 5 4 5
Drive 67 59.3 66.3 62.5 64.8 67 73 58.6 72 60.6
Sport 55 49.8 51.7 54.7 46.8 58.3 43.4 49.4 59.8 65.4
Comfort 19.5 33.7 11 14.6 32.2 30.5 24.6 26.4 28.5 14.1
Prestige 49.1 46.3 59.4 41.3 51.3 53 32.1 48.2 49 46.9
Safety 57.9 53.2 59.8 56.5 57.4 50.4 41.2 68 55.7 63.8
Trim Reliability 73.1 82 74.8 82.7 80.7 70 75.6 52.8 84 78.4
Fuel Economy 10.8 8 9.3 7.1 6.7 13.6 17.1 7.1 9.6 10.8
Weight 1353.2 1156.6 1462.9 1261.7 1533.4 1421.7 1247.3 1599.8 1353.1 1549.7
bhp:metric ton 266 182 271 233 247 315 220 272 288 263
Material Costs 11258.4 7253.2 12242.5 7589.4 12479.6 12921.7 4442.3 11246.2 10674.5 10553.9
Trim PU 80.4 87.2 102.6 103.2 103.2 114.8 73.2 106.3 112.6 80.9
Trim ET 80.1 72.5 95.9 69.3 105.6 91.7 59.1 111.8 80.5 81.2
Approximate Cost 27200 21000 33600 23400 32000 35000 13800 34600 34500 27700
Front Downforce -76.6 -33.2 -105 5.43 -27.7 9.76 -64.7 -95.6 -1.39 2.6
Rear Downforce 1.25 -31 14.4 11 44.7 43.5 49.7 -33.3 1.17 25.8
Weight Distribution 50 50.9 54.8 50 52.6 49.9 52.1 49.1 53.5 49.6
Quarter mile 12.55 13.86 12.66 12.78 12.31 11.59 13.15 11.7 12.06 12.06
Small cornering g 1.15 1.11 1.16 1.14 1.19 1.24 1.17 1.12 1.15 1.17
Large cornering g 1.1 1.07 1.11 1.14 1.17 1.26 1.14 1.1 1.13 1.17
Automation Test Track 132.68 139.84 132.23 133.87 129.97 124.68 135.12 128.85 129.15 129.59
Airfield 79.93 84.45 79.65 80.72 78.59 75.08 81.46 77.81 77.96 78.06
Trim Total Tech Pool 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45
Legality Y Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Total Penalty Points 0 0 15 11 253 18 0 0 2 0

As you can see, donutsnail forgot to check the Engine tech pool when porting from another challenge and broke the record for penalty points, gold star effort :star: :rofl:

As for the rest we have 9 legal entries. Open disclosure: when I originally checked Riley’s entry, due to a misunderstanding it had 2 spoilers and 1 lip as opposed to 1 spoiler and 2 lips. The entry was therefore ruled illegal as it was also achieving more downforce than would be reasonably achieved with legal fixtures (as was the rules intention). Having reviewed the other entries, I then took the liberty of switching a spoiler for a lip which resulted in lower downforce, and even though I as the host reserve the right to make executive decisions, I’m conflicted.

The 10s segment was relatively light on entries and this is causing me to seek compromise. Looking at the other entries, the penalty points are for tyre width and are quite significant. Riley’s entry has the significant other issue of downforce, but this is a lot more easily rectified and has lower impact for a tyre test, especially on 2 of the 3 tracks, compared to having overly wide tyres.

Once again let’s take a look at the data:

One thing is immediately striking: Xepy’s Lunascura Agheel S has been min-maxed to hell. It’s not all the tyres either, but it has oodles of power, the camber is quite high for what it is, and it pulls some mad g and on the Automation track sims it’s a clear outlier. This in itself isn’t a huge problem (making the tyres legal width only adds under 1 second to the total time). But the bigger problem is that it’s been quite heavily optimised to just squeeze right into the budget. Going back to figure out what the hell Xepy did, and I came across a curious feature: an electronically limited speed of 250km/h.

That’s gonna get in the way of the Bathurst test!

On the other hand, while I’ve taken a fairly extreme rules liberty with Riley’s Zephorus KS ZRD, it is more or less a perfectly realistically representation of the 2020 sport mobile: heavy and powerful. From a statistical point of view, Xepy’s is too much of an outlier. Very clever. But a bit too clever for this challenge. I still want to drive it, but maybe I’ll just do that separately and for my own enjoyment.

It’s worth saying that I also checked the other entries with high penalty points (mart1n2005’s and tsundere-kun’s) and there were no other such shenanigans so they should be alright.

Therefore, the entrants for the 10s are:

Username Model Name
abg7 TSC Tigereye 3.5S
AndiD Mara Paragon 2.3 SE42
HowlerAutomotive Elmsley Sundance 3600 Super
Lazar EFI Cura
Ludvig Swanson 337SC
mart1n2005 BSC 4000 by Carrosserie Marin
Riley Zephorus KS ZRD
Tsundere-kun Calcote L250

I am definitely not going to be getting to the driving part, but I’ll get all the exporting done presently and try and get my own reference entries completed (2 of them are done, just need to do the last one…)

EDIT: Putting together all of the entries that passed, sorted by year ascending:

You can see a pretty alright spread here, with a few fun outliers (like the Howler Wraith H which looks like a total grenade with the pin pulled out). Otherwise I feel there’s a decent representation going on here. Let’s see how it plays out in Beam.

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Great to see all three of my entries qualify for the next stage with no penalty points - and with highly competitive (and in the case of my 2000s entry, class-leading) times in Automation to boot. This bodes well for the Beam testing to come later, but as they say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

This is a bit odd to me, especially considering that some of my favorite FR driver’s cars of the 1990s (FD RX-7, A80 Supra Turbo, Z32 300ZX, 968 Turbo S, Lotus Carlton, and Alpina B10 Bi-Turbo, among others) were turbocharged.

In fact, my submission for the 2000s was the second heaviest car (but on the other hand, the fastest in Automation testing) from that era to actually qualify for Beam testing.

The two oldest entries from me subscribed to that school of thought (by the standards of their respective eras), but the third one, not so much - in fact, it’s the lightest and least powerful of my three entries.

What I did with the '95 Thunderwolf after the deadline

As for the '95 Thunderwolf, I also cloned the original trim (or even the whole car) for use in a few other challenges - once each for PAIN, TTTT, and AGC30.

Last but not least, here’s what its interior (which I only added after the deadline for FM4 had passed) looks like:

And here are all three major variants of the '95 Thunderwolf together, from left to right: the TTTT version, the base car (from which the PAIN version was cloned - it’s now aesthetically identical, but retains both the stock FM4-friendly engine and the original chassis material of corrosion-resistant steel instead of glued aluminum), and the AGC30 version.

If the base Thunderwolf is the equivalent of a Standard class car in Ridge Racer V, then the TTTT trim would be akin to an Extra class version (faster and lighter), and the AGC30 trim would be reminiscent of an Oval class version (extreme top speed and acceleration, but with far more challenging handling).

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I’ve now finished exporting all the entry cars to Beam. I won’t have time to edit them to match the weight distribution or mass before the baby arrives, so that’ll be on the backburner but at least the exports are done so future Automation updates won’t break them.

This said, I do have one rather large favour to ask. As I mentioned previously I’ve made replicas of some real life models, and seeing as I have a bias towards JDM for the 90s, my replicas were of a Mazda FD RX-7 Spirit R (with a turbo I3 that just about matches outputs), for the 00s a Honda S2000 AP1 with the JDM engine. For the 10s it was supposed to be a Toyota GR (A90) Supra RZ, but, uh, I’ve been particularly unmotivated to attempt styling :sweat_smile:

Would anybody be available to cobble together something? I note that the wheelbase of the A90 Supra is relatively short, at 2.47m and track width of around 1.59m. The rear tyres are 275mm wide (which is well within spec for this challenge given a kerb weight of 1530kg), and the engine bay just has to fit a turbo 3L inline 6. Interior doesn’t have to be anywhere near schmick, and if the styling is down pat I can work the mechanicals out pretty easily.

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Looks like I may have gone about 2-3 seconds too slow with the Elmsley. I was hoping to challenge the lower half or thereabouts of the 2010 lineup with a budget shocker. I guess I’m alright with it being the slowest, so long as it puts up a fight. Big win if it surprises anyone on the track.

Surprising strop with excess turn-in + the back end flying off into the sunset is half a point. Just think of all the money you saved. :smile:

The Silhouette is a bit of a chonker, but ought to have the torque and grip to make up for it. Perhaps the easiest one of my entries to slot into reality.

The Howler… In testing, it was ~5 seconds faster around the BeamNG ATT with a few cm added to rear tire width. However, this version was more fun to tussle with. Fast, loud and dramatic. No doubt my own favourite.

A recent PC implosion leaves me poorly placed to offer assistance on the Supra. I still need to tear it open and swap some bits before I can call it done. I’m sure there are people around with more design prowess than myself, so might be for the best.

i have some documentation on the supra open right now and ive managed to get very close to the real life specs in game, just the styling bit really. Not quite sure how to get the body super close

it’s kinda rough getting the same style as the supra but i’ve got a fair bit of the engineering to be the same following this document gr supra pdf

Fite_me_gr_supra_-_3_0_supra.car (76.2 KB)

All the rules should be followed to, i have been checking along

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yeah the specs are not too difficult, I actually quite carefully built the rules around existing cars hence the finnicky tyre rules!

But the styling… it doesn’t have to be perfect, and I know a lot can be done, but I also know it takes a lot of time unless you know exactly which piece you’re after and I haven’t been keeping up with that so!

It’s straight up the weirdest entry (not bad, weird) in the entire lineup. It might be giving the performance equivalent of the 86/BRZ some company though depending on how it behaves.

For reference, I threw together a minmaxed 450hp 1350kg 50:50 car on 35 profile 250 wide rear wheels (as low as I would dare go to keep it somewhat drivable on the street and mountain courses) and it was getting a 2:04 on Automation’s AT simulator, so basically around where Xepy’s entry was, and when I drove it I got a 1:56 (which on reflection should be more like a 1:59 because that was a flying lap). One of the biggest features borne out from Fite Me 2, run on older versions with a more rudimentary wheel geometry and tyre physics, and weight distributions in Automation that were very unkind to FR cars, was that FR cars didn’t drive well in Beam compared to the other drivetrains. This seems to have been significantly rectified but let’s see what the detailed driving experience is like.

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Oop, went a bit too ham on the 10s entry. :sweat_smile: Ah well, hope you enjoy it when you do get around to driving it.

Sounds about right, from a standing start I was pretty consistently around 7-9 seconds faster than Automation around the BeamNG ATT with different cars.

Yeah the car is probably about as close as I can get without spending days on it, I haven’t tested in beam either though. I will load it into beam later on today and see. But it should fulfil the need for a supra antway

I can’t believe I left so many tech pool points on the table lol. Perhaps I could have gotten the weight down a little more. Ah well, typical American Yank Tank it is.

I was mildly bothered that I never tried to build a properly fast 2020 entry for this, so I stopped through a tech store today.

I think it’d be possible to elbow into the 2:01.xx without penalty points. I built a quick and dirty 2:02.7x, aiming at 0 penalty points, until I realised the mx5 wheelbase is 3cm too short and rounded up. It’s not worth any performance and this was just a let’s-see-how-this-works-out so I can’t be bothered to switch. 45 profile tires, 50/50 weight, and a wretched little turbo V6 where the glorious big V12 should be. BeamNG is installing, I’ll try to take it for a spin if I have time later.

Edit: This would need a couple more hours of suspension tuning to gauge its full potenial. Might be that once you get into the electronic doodads (Dual Clutch, Electric diff), the difference between Automation and BeamNG lap times tapers off. I don’t currently see it being 5.5s faster than the Wraith, but it could just be the handling difference throwing me off.