King of the Hill (Round 6)

Eight then and eight now :slight_smile: Removing the undercooling freed up reliability/finishing chance resource to bring the lap times back down.

Friendinand Broschef has decided to flex his guns and offer Furt a design for the race. He has called it the Broschef 653. It’s fast, bro.

(It’s the Porsche body if anyone is in doubt. Good old RR.)


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Here is my entry for this round, the Kramer Motorsport Developments (KMD) K125A. Not the fastest, but very reliable (and street-legal to boot). Hopefully I’ll learn something from this round.

you don’t have nearly enough laps in it. You must beat Der_Bayer’s benchmark on both laps and finishing chance otherwise you’ll finish the race but lose to Firrara, and that’s… not the aim!

I have no idea how to cut the lap time down enough to outpace and outlast Firrara, but I still have superior reliability… How am I going to find out? By adjusting the suspension tune?

Yes, so you can reliably finish behind Firrara :joy:

(seriously, there’s ways to make the car a looooot faster, depending on the body you use.)

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oohhhh how did I miss that one???.. well played, well played :grin:

only by upping the revs by few hundred you would gain a second for sure and still outlast Firrara…

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I am not even going to send my car in.
This is the best I managed to do with the short tail.

#Round 2 Results

The project teams have just received a letter regarding their LeMans concept. Here are the contents.


To whom it may concern,

Furt Motor Company wants to thank you for your project proposal. Out of 6 submissions we were successful in finding a promising race car for next years Le Mans race.

@strop

While your car promises good track performance and might last well during normal road use, we would like to remind you that the 24h race has harsh requirements. We are especially concerned about the available cooling for the engine and cannot risk losing many cars to technical failures, especially as with the available budget only 5 cars would be in the race. Thank you for your understanding.

@Rk38 (P5)
While at least one of your eight cars will end the race for sure and will not spend a lot of time in the pits, we are very uncertain if the car has got enough potential for quick lap times. Our competition seems to make good progress, so we need to find another partner for the project. Thank you for your understanding.

@abg7 (P4)
While at least one of your eight cars will end the race for sure, we are very uncertain if the car has got enough potential for quick lap times. For the limited performance we would be losing too much time in the pits, too. Our competition seems to make good progress, so we need to find another partner for the project. Thank you for your understanding.

@gridghost (P3) @AirJordan (P2)
There is no doubt your car is an improvement to our last year’s car, both in regards of performance and fuel consumption. The reliabile is estimated to be best of class as well. Unfortunately, another company has sent a draft to us which seems to be supreme in performance and we think we are more flexible with their approach in regards of race strategy. Thank you for your understanding. [spoiler]@ AirJordan: Please don’t sign a deal with Firrara.[/spoiler]

@HowlerAutomotive (P1)
We are very please to announce that your project draft has been accepted by Furt Motor Company. Your car seems to offer the best performance and very good reliability. While the reliability is still not perfect, we think we are most flexible with your approach: Go flat out if Firrara turns out to be competitive in regards of performance, or look after the car if they are a bit slower.
You should receive your budget very soon, but we advise to start engineering immediately. A great victory lies ahead!

Best Regards,

Harry Furt
CEO
Furt Motor Company


That’s the car capable of beating the Firrara:




So @HowlerAutomotive, you’re the King of the Hill, next round is hopefully hosted by you! :slight_smile: Thanks to all participants!

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Firrara? no… but someone from Posha just called and said their design was stolen so they want a revenge…see you in few years :wink:

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The first thing I thought when I saw your reveal was “Oh shit, I didn’t remember that body” :slight_smile:

Don’t get me wrong, the Porsche is incredibly good thanks to its low drag and RR is wonderful for acceleration. But… It could barely fit 205 tires on the back and had 155’s at the front so changing direction was a bit of a challenge and I could only squeeze 4.1l of displacement into the boot with a V12.

I knew I’d have just about enough time to build one proper car for this challenge, not to do any testing on several bodies (aside from the first 5 minute check on the pantera body to get my bearings), so I took what I knew to be a very solid base and put all my efforts into that . However, with everything I learned from that, I did throw together a Large Coupe just now to see if it worked. It has about as much polish as a ball of yarn, but seems to have potential. I’ll let you see for yourself:

So what made my cars tick? The bottom line for this particular track seems to be: as much power as possible, as little drag as possible (forget about wings/lips and put +15 into aero quality which costs less than one might expect) and keep an eye on the fuel consumption when you’ve sorted the acceleration. I knowingly tanked the engine reliability because it only has a small effect on average car reliability and longer stroke means more power/better economy. I compensated for that with a couple of quality points in Trim which is fairly cheap at low range, provides reliability and doesn’t weigh anything. I think that’s about it in tricks, aside from elbow grease in suspension tuning.

Oh, on the large coupe I staggered the tire widths for better drivability.

First off thanks for the great challenge! One of the best stories I know from automotive history.

I do have an idea for a challenge, I’ll throw some formulae into an excel to see how it takes shape. I’ll seek to have a set of rules today or tomorrow.

Thanks also to everybody else who took part. @Rk38’s photoshop work, I think, is worth a prize of its own and I always know there’s going to be some blistering fast competition when AirJordan is involved (which is not to suggest the other cars involved were not fast).

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You just have to show off ha… :laughing: I haven’t tried the big body, went straight to small one (much less weight) and build only that car due to time constraints. Looking at your new try I see more power (surprise surprise) could bring me trophy. I must be honest, after I saw some reliability numbers of others, I wanted to stay as close to 96 as possible… better safe and sorry…or something…
Anyway, thanks for kind words and I’m looking forward to next challenge :slight_smile:

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I knew it! Totally overlooked it because I incorrectly assumed the engine bay would be too small: rubbish, that only applies to the rear. When it comes to Automation and old Le Man’s, Top speed is king so who cares if the car can’t stop or turn :joy:

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@HowlerAutomotive you are a genius! Your rear-engined rocket had loads of traction, and I overlooked it because I wasn’t sure about being able to fit a large enough engine in it.

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I looked at the !porsche-body, realized i suck at tuning RR’s and got on with the !pantera-body instead… Should learn to tune RR, tho :confused:

Gratz to @HowlerAutomotive and thnx to @Der_Bayer for a great round.

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Did anyone else try the Montreal-style body? I couldn’t get it out of the 3:35 range. 13 L/Km, though.

Thanks for showing us how it was done and congratulations on your win! Looking forward to seeing what Round 3 brings.

I just assumed mid-engined was the best option which limited the body choices. I knew I didn’t have much of a chance but thanks to @Der_Bayer’s awesome story I knew I had to enter.

If anyone wants to use my entry I’ve put it on the here on the ‘open source car’ thread.

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Let’s try something completely different.

#KOTH ROUND 3 - THE PATH TO VALHALLA

You found the most amazing place yesterday. No. Not right. You didn’t find it. Imperator Ragex was first. He found the most amazing thing. But you helped! You fought well and the spikebacks retreated and Ragex found what they had been searching for. Ragex said you fought well.

You wouldn’t believe it if you weren’t here. You did not think there were so many cars in the world. Some of them have settled and broken but some have not. Iron and steel. Vee eights.

And one of them is yours.

It is. Frax tried to argue but Imperator Ragex told him. Told him that you got to pick first. Because you fought well. You are awaited. Oh, such a day.

But which one to pick? So many options. So many possibilities. Big engines, good rides. This place could make enough power to make the world spin faster said Ragex.

You need something that is fast. Yes, fast of course. You will get a pursuit vehicle is what Ragex said. But there is more you can do. You can set the engine. You can weld the chassis. So much good steel to use here, you can make it angry. You can make it fast. It will deserve to ride the fury road. Immortan Bob himself will see it. Imperator Ragex will be proud.

If you make it bigger, stronger, it won’t break with every bump. If you make it faster, oh, what a chariot it shall be. Room is good, to carry war boys. You could almost build a war rig out of that one over there. Or something fast and angry and loud. This one, maybe.

But must not use too much guzzoline. Those ones rarely get to ride.


#LIMITATIONS

Year - 1979
Budget: - $15,000 (don’t forget you’re in a salvage yard)
Fuel - Low Quality 80
Cooling - Minimum required
Aero - Base body “Eff Area” minimum 0.600m²
Tires - Max 255 wide. Immortan Bob can pick his shoes, you need fairly common stuff.
Drivability >0
DEADLINE 16.01.2017 20:00 CET

#SCORING

Please send your car export to me and post screenshots of your Car Overview, Design, Test Track and Engine stats here. Those who post+send the FINAL version of their car before 23:59 CET on 14.01.2017 get 50 bonus points - this is to encourage people setting milestones and others trying to beat them in new and interesting ways.

(And if someone is looking through a scrapyard with ideas of what they want to build, they are likely to get a strong impression from the first good ones)

You will receive a penalty of 100 points if your car has any mufflers (in the design, not visual). Because what the hell, guys.

A truck bed will count as 4 extra seats.

Link to Google Docs

#OPTION ONE

This one would do, maybe. The Howler Spectre. The vee eight is strange, it has four too many cylinders. But the frame is solid. The block is strong. You could put lots of power into this one, you think. Naturally, it needs more spikes. Some armor. More chrome!

But the start is there.






Although surely there is other stuff here in the scrapyard. Good stuff. Angry stuff. You just have to find it.

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All hail! The coming of the next Magnum Opus!

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Dat drivability and comfort :joy:

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