In the rules post, cake_ape directly asked us not to refer to forum posts in lobbying.
Make sure you copy and past the content of that post into your DM, rather than just the link.
In the rules post, cake_ape directly asked us not to refer to forum posts in lobbying.
Make sure you copy and past the content of that post into your DM, rather than just the link.
i rushed to get the lobbying/spending out quickly that i forgot to do that, its done now though
Frunia, 1964
Ludger Frehse stopped his gray brand new Astrona 2000, facing his fellow colleague Ludovico Rossi who came with a 2400 model.
“Ah, Ludger. You also got the new facelifted Astrona… but hey, only a 2000? It seems you have been demoted since Letara 1960”.
“Don’t remind me of that disaster.”
“You should have avoided that we had to withdraw after only five months because you used a forbidden tire profile that was too experimental for Letaran authorities.”
“At least I managed to smuggle a lot of Primus cars into the country as gray import, so at least the dealerships can exist to service the cars - but they are actually still really few compared to the cars that were officially allowed to be sold. I have a tough time over there.”
Rossi smiled.
“Ludger, you have done a lot for you rehabilitation. The reason we meet here is that we want to invest for an assembly line and lobby a little. There is a lot of budget and Primus wanted to promote me for that job. But Ludger, you were always like a son to me. Go reinstate yourself and get back your reputation! Follow me to our Frunian headquarter.”
“Do we start now? What car should we take?”
“Unsure. This is up to you. Right now we only have old clunkers besides our new Globus budget brand, maybe we should take them - or wait for new Primus cars, the new ones are said to be brilliant. The engineers are so excited.”
“What is in that folder? Can I see it?”
“Sure. The new flagship Imperator will surely lead its class, its scheduled for 1967. The new Astrona arrives in '68. however, its the current Astrona with a larger body and more comfort. The '69 new arrival could be our chance as well.”
“Yes, Letara had a tough time, and something small yet fun and well-made would be perfect. The current Publica F is durable and super cheap but I guess it’s bad as a figurehead. It’s not what brings us in the public mind. But that prototype of the next Publica, wow. Is that a Frunian design?”
“Sure, supervised by me. Make your descision, QUICK! Your flight back to Letara is in four hours.”
Frehse looked at the prototypes and was happy to see so many competetive new products for the near future. He was determined to use his second chance.
YEP, Primus rejoins last minute this time. I am still fed up with the exporter error ruining trim techpool, however, sh*t happens.
Found the easter egg
Lobbying is now closed; thank you to everyone who submitted their lobbying and spending items. It was again a really exciting week and fun to watch the various companies coming up with new ideas to improve Letara.
I’ll go and tally up the votes, make some governmental decisions, and then go ahead and build the country in WR:SR. Stay tuned for the full reveal and Rd. 3 Prologue!
The Government of Letara is excited to announce that turn-out for spending and lobbying once again exceeded expectations. Here is a run-down of the results:
In total, there are now 11 companies with assemblies and a further 17 companies own a factory. This abundance is necessitating the expansion of the current plots, as well as establishing the new city of Tulsaje that will support a new manufacturing plot near the border of Somunds.
Education received a large influx of monetary support. First, KHI pushed hard for their “Letaran Enrichment Initiative” with the aim to establish a new School of Technology at Mount Modred. Although the proposed site in the historic tourist town is not for such a modern school, the tech school will be established in Tulsaje and the main building named after KHI.
Research in Mechanical Engineering received much support and has greatly advanced in the past decade. Petrochemical Engineering and Aerodynamics have also received a decent amount of funding and have seen modest progression. Materials Science and Electrical Engineering have received only minor support; just enough to keep up with other industries.
The Lerance Raceway has received abundant funds for improvements to and around the track. These changes are sure to keep the track modern and auto racing the most important form of sports entertainment in Letara for another decade.
Road construction and maintenance have also received a decent amount of funding. With the new government’s added funds this will result in an improved and well-maintained road network in Letara.
Rail infrastructure has also seen a decent influx of money, most notably from General Automotive. With added government funds this will allow for duplicating and electrifying some tracks and making the whole train network more efficient.
The airport received negligible funding, and even with government support this is not sufficient to expand the airport. At least it will remain at its current level without dilapidation occurring.
There was some funding set aside for a TV campaign against leaded fuels. The government fully supports such health-focused ad campaigns, and this push was regarded as a great success. Combined with lobbying, a greener and healthier future for Letara will be secured.
Car companies have also spend various amounts on diverse industries. The forestry industry has received the most funds; enough to finalize the large reforestation campaign around Mt. Modred with quick-growing trees. The agriculture industry has also received good support. This will allow the expansion of the sector around Brospyne, as well as preparing the northern peninsula’s poor soil for future expansion, if desired. The added funding toward an ethanol production facility will secure Letara’s E-fuel supply for the foreseeable future.
Immortale Automotive set aside a small pot of money to open a small iron ore mine. This small operation will be up and running near Zekerdal. Perhaps this will allow this sleepy town to blossom into a more prosperous mining town similar to Fortune?
Mara initiated a small push toward opening a coal ore mine, which was now possible even with the modest funds after resources were identified in the past decade. The small mine will be opened near Chanceille, which is already well situated with its established forestry industry.
Both the coal and iron ore need to be exported as aggregates. Since the conversion of the Storia Harbour for general shipping, it no longer supports aggregate transport; without support for the shipping industry and no government funds left available, these aggregates will be shipped to Somunds by train for the time being.
Popas and Capital have both put equal amounts of funds toward a convention centre and auto exhibition. The large convention centre in Lerance is a perfectly adequate place to hold car shows, but the funds can be used to renovate the centre and make it more suitable for such purposes. Since neither company contributed more than the other, the convention centre’s name remains Lerance Convention Centre - LCC for short. As main sponsors, however, both companies receive recognition in the form of commemorative tiles near the entrance of the building. (OOC: I do like the idea of a Letara car show to showcase concept cars or whatnot, but that would be too much work for me. I also do not want to clutter this thread with a side-challenge of sorts. So, if any of you would like to hold a “Letara-inspired car show” in a separate thread, then I am all for it.)
Several other initiatives received minor funding. First, there is funding set aside for a car park building in Lerance, which would alleviate some of the potential future parking shortages in the capital. Minor funding was received to preserve Mount Modred’s historic hotels, which the government fully supports as well and appreciates the help; this will bolster the tourist attraction value of the town. Some funding was made available to make unleaded fuel available in all areas of the country; this was already the case, but the better supply chain should prevent bad batches from occurring. There was some support for the Letaran Communist Party (by Mara). So they can now afford a new apartment overlooking the harbour in Storia to establish their HQ in. There was also a small amount of funds to establish (or rather support, as it already existed) a Letaran Natural Disaster Response Force, which is much appreciated by the government. Last, but not least, the Letaran Police Force received some funds.
Lobbying saw some issues highly contested, while others were clear-cut. First, the issue of taxes - always a contentious issue. In terms of an engine displacement tax, there was a small push for such a tax, but there is no consensus as to how it should be implemented. However, there as a much larger push against such a tax, so the government will not consider it further.
As for fuel economy tax, it was mostly ignored by companies. Only two companies provided a small push against such a proposal, but there is a much larger for push by one company. The government will consider this carefully, as it is a large and convincing push, but it has to be weighed against that it is only by one company.
Overall there was more active lobbying around a luxury tax, but in the end the result is a wash. The government recognizes that this would be a good way to generate income without hurting those in the most need, so without a clear signal from the car industry, this kind of taxation will be considered.
There was one company that wished to impose taxes on uncomfortable or hard to drive cars. In the government’s opinion this doesn’t make much sense; why tax a car that would likely fail in the marketplace anyway? Not much tax money to be gathered from a product that won’t sell anyway.
Two companies provided a mild push to reduce import taxes on cars not assembled or manufactured in Letara. This notion is rejected by the government, as it is one of the core principles of Letara, and provides a push toward establishing well-paying jobs for Letarans.
Two companies also provided a small push toward reducing the existing “safety-tax”. The current government will look into this, as safety regulations will be changed anyway (more on that later).
Finally, one company pushed for no changes to the current tax system. We appreciate their confidence in the past government’s vision, but as they are no longer in power, they have no more say in the matter. The current government has big plans with Letara, which will necessitate a revision of taxation.
The first issue on the table for car regulations is what fuels the cars can use. There is an overwhelming push to ban leaded fuel outright. With the advertising campaign also successful, the Letaran people are also supportive of this push. So from now on, leaded fuel will be banned from Letara. There is also a decent push to only have unleaded fuel available in Letara (and thus ban E fuels), and a push in the opposite direction toward only having E fuels. With the expansion of both the forestry industry, agriculture, and the establishment of the ethanol plant, banning E fuels is not something the government will entertain.
In terms of emissions, there was a push for implementation of emissions regulations, but a stronger push against such measures. For now, the government will be satisfied with the banning of leaded fuels, and assess how unleaded and E fuels stack up without mandating any emissions standards. However, a close eye will be kept on cars’ emissions in the next decade in order to be able to make a more informed decision then.
Tires were the most clear-cut of any lobbying item. Radials are heavily favoured by most companies, and the government cannot deny their safety and efficacy as witnessed in at the Lerance Raceway. Thus, radials are in. Despite a small push to outright ban cross-ply tires, the government feels like they are tested and true, so there is no need to ban them on any justifiable grounds; if the market feel like they are not useful anymore, they will phase out on their own.
Very minor lobbying was received against tighter noise regulations, but it seems that this is overall not a very important issue for car companies. For now, the limit will stay the same.
There was a sizable push to keep lighting regulations as the status quo. There was an about 50/50 split for and against a double-headlight mandate. For now, single headlights will be allowed with a single bulb doing double duty as regular light and brights. There was an about equal split for/against amber indicator lights too, so for now red rear and white cover (amber bulb) front indicators will remain legal. Lastly, there was a small push to mandate front and rear side markers, so the government will consider this.
There was a large push for US-size license plates, eclipsing a push for European or other size/format standards. This was such a convincing argument that the government feels compelled to implement US size plates as the norm.
There was a rather large push to tighten speed limits with only a tiny push to loosen them. The government will take a look at the current rules and regulations, and consider this in light of the new road construction happening all across the country and the larger passenger car population occupying said roads.
Safety regulations implemented by the previous government were received poorly. This government concurs; the dummies used in their outdated testing methods were only evaluated based on the car’s ability to absorb shocks received when the car was hit by a foreign object. It did not account for the car hitting other objects and the associated rapid deceleration, the many internal injuries, cuts and bruises from flying glass and unsafely secured fixtures, nor did it account for the bodies hitting internal surfaces as their momentum carried them into the dashboard. So the current government feels vindicated in their assessment by the clear push toward changes in the safety regulations by car companies. As for how the new safety regulations should be implemented, there is still a wide range of opinions by companies, and the government also has their experts working on the problem. But rest assured, changes are coming.
An overwhelming majority of votes was for keeping the Lerance Raceway as Letara’s premier car sporting venue. With the raceway still new, and the great success it has seen over the years, the government could not agree more. Especially with the large sums of money dedicated for improvements, it is very clear that the Lerance Raceway is here to stay.
The race format, however, seems to be quite divisive subject. There really is no consensus what format, what classes, and what rules/regulations should be implemented. Some want long 12-hour/enduro races, some want more unlimited Group-7 type race cars, some want rallying with dirt elements, some want touring cars, some want other regulations involving SVC calculations and tire size limits, and there was one vote for oval racing (without any proposal/funding for such a track, mind you). Since there is really no consensus on any of this, the government will assess its options and also do public consultation to see what the people of Letara want to see most.
Lastly, there was a singular lobbying point spent on the legalization of gambling - which was already legal (see - bookies at the races), so no change will be needed on this front.
Quite a lot has changed in the last decade as both government and private corporations have sunk considerable amounts of money into improving Letata. First, with the influx of many new car companies wanting to establish assemblies and factories in Letara, it became clear that the current plots near Lerance and Storia are insufficient to house all. So the government decided to make a bold move, and use large sums to build a brand new town from scratch near the Somunds border to support a new “factory corner”. Since there was no more funds available for rail construction beyond the upgrades (see below), this location was the most suitable to allow for quick import/export via trucks.
This location quickly made good use of the new divided highway that now runs all the way from Lerance to the Somunds border, and the first cars quickly rolled off the line at the new Tulsaje factories.
The new divided highway now also bypasses the Lerance Raceway so that on race day the highway does not get half blocked for the race, and half blocked by spectators. The Raceway itself also received many upgrades, including new spectator stands, campgrounds, and a ferris wheel - all in order to make the race weekends a larger spectacle and run smoother.
Moving into the mountains, the area surrounding Mt. Modred has also received much attention. A major reforestation project is underway to restore the forest to their pre-eruption glory. The town of Chanceille has been expanded with some new multi-story housing that supports the growing forestry industry as well as the new small-scale coal ore mine.
Near the Montelin border, the small town of Zekerdal also experienced a large growth spurt. Here the opening of a small iron ore mine boosted the economy. The old village is still recognizable with its older farmstead houses and large yards. The workers’ housing and other modern amenities have grown up around the village. This increased activity and presence near the Montelin border certainly has not gone unnoticed, and will aid Letara’s claim on the peninsula’s tip.
In the previous decade Jawole became the site of aluminium ore production, but the small village was not sufficient to take the industry further. However, full aluminium production is seen by both the government and the car industry as a desirable economic target. In order to support this goal, the old town was completely removed, and replace with more modern flats for the workers that flooded to Jawole to work in the new aluminium factory.
Last, but not least, Brospyne - or rather the area around it - has also experience significant growth. The existing farms around Borspyne were industrialized, but were still relatively small reflecting their old, more manual origins. In order to keep up with the new E-fuel craze in the world, more agricultural output is needed. Thus, a brand new industrial farming corporation was established called “Brospyne Fields”, which increased agricultural output of the region by over 50%.
TL:DR - Much has changed in Letara in the last decade. The spending-focused government has initiated several large infrastructure projects. Of course, the support provided by various large corporations cannot go unmentioned, and the government is very much thankful for their contribution to the betterment of Letara. First, a new town is established near the border of Somunds: Tulsaje will be the third major centre focused on car manufacturing. Tulsaje is also the home of the new automotive tech school. Several other towns have seen significant growth and modernisation thanks to new industry or expansion of existing ones. Jawole now has a full aluminium factory, and the town has grown quite significantly with a few high-rises. Chanceille and Zekerdal, both quiet backwater villages, have grown due to the new coal ore and iron ore mines. Chanceille got an additional boost to the already prevalent forestry industry in the area. Bospyne grew with the addition of new industrial farms; the new are is called Brospyne Fields. The rail between Lerance and Somunds is now fully double-track, and this stretch as well as the one to Storia is electrified. Many roads were upgraded: there is now a full double highway from Lerance to the Somunds border, many inner city streets are upgraded to be fully paved and even have street lighting, and several dirt roads have been upgraded to gravel.
See the Preface of Rd. 3 for a summary how people’s attitudes have changed in the past decade or so. Overall, though, the economy of Letara went through a major depression, but has made a small recovery in the last few years. Due to the economy and many people not buying cars, and the previously built roomy downtowns, room is still plenty in cities - but that can always change if more cars make it on to the roads. The new National Park has spurred people toward more vacationing in nature. Just like in previous decades, the upper echelons still do like to show off a little, but they do want their cars to have tangible advantages over the cheaper cars that the regular plebs drive - if the car shines in any area they value (e.g. prestige or sportiness) that can justify the higher cost, they will buy it. Unique cars are especially prized. Remote areas are becoming better connected and have access to better fuels as well - only the really far off areas are still dirt roads. So off-road prowess becomes slightly less relevant in terms of necessity, but with the newfound love of the outdoors, it is still an important factor - just in a different way.
In game, the second round will span from 1964 to 1974 inclusive; models from any of these years are accepted for consumer vehicles.
IRL, this round’s timetable is:
Rules deliberation will be until Dec. 31, on which date the round officially opens for submissions. The round closes Jan. 14 @ 9:59 AM EST.
All cars imported into Letara will incur a 20% import tax. All cars assembled in Letara will only incur a 10% import tax. Cars fully manufactured in Letara do not pay an import tax. To support the aluminium industry, cars with aluminium parts will receive the following non-cumulative tax breaks: 3% for alu panels, 2% for alu engine block, and 1% for alu engine head material. Cars with “advanced '60s safety” or better will receive a tax break of 3%. Cars with a speed limiter set to 160 km/h or less will receive a 2% tax break. To recoup some costs of these incentives, the government will impose two taxes. The first will be to also aid the Letaran environment and health: there will be a 5% tax on cars that use more than 15 l/100km fuel. Utility vehicles are exempt from this tax. The second will aim to tax frivolous toys that the rich buy: there will be a 5% tax on more luxurious and expensive vehicles (set at $25k pre-adjustment price - i.e., the price you see in the trim tab).
No other taxes in this era.
For all three categories you will have the following tech pool points:
You are allowed to have less tech pool points, but not more. If you have more, the car will be rejected by the government as a too futuristic and experimental prototype.
The government stipulates that:
You may submit up to three trims of the same model (meaning all settings in the model tab need to be the same for all trims). Participation in other categories is not required. Participation with at least one car in this category this round will allow you to lobby/spend for the next round. Please name the Model of your submissions “LHC - 3C1 - <forum name>'” for the first trim, “LHC - 3C2 - <forum name>” for the second trim, and “LHC - 3C3 - <forum name>” for the third trim. (Please note the spaces between the text and dashes in the naming, it helps me tremendously if you do this diligently. The best way to export your cars is to make all three trims within the same model, and just rename the model between exporting the trims. That way you know that the model settings are all the same, and they all export correctly on my end.)
Letara is slowly expanding its diplomatic corps. As foreign official are a more frequent guest on Letaran soil, the need is increasing to transport them in the appropriate luxury and safety befitting a country’s leader. Therefore, the Government of Letara is putting out its Request for Proposals for a new fleet of diplomatic corps vehicles. The proposals must have the following criteria:
You may submit one vehicle in this category. Participation in other categories is not required. Please name the Model of your submission “LHC - 3G - <forum name>”.
The first few years of racing at the Letara Raceway were very successful as throngs of people descended on the race track each year. Over the years it also became clear that the current facilities are simply inadequate to host this many spectators. The government received ample sponsorship from various car companies, and a very detailed track update design from Vizzuri (*ooc: thanks and credits to @Aruna). The track was quickly updated between the 1963 and 1964 race seasons. Now, there are more and larger spectator stands track side, a few camp grounds, a permanent ferris wheel, and most importantly the track is now completely separated from the regional highway. The track itself has also received some upgrades, namely some of the corners are now banked to facilitate faster racing.
Common rules for both classes:
Rules for the Super (R1) class:
Rules for the Touring (R2) class:
A leaderboard for each year of racing will be simulated. Track times are simulated with RNGs, but reliability, comfort, and drivability do help.
Last but not least, I will be participating in this event as well, so you get to “race” yours truly. I will post a proper car showcase in the thread.
You may submit one vehicle in this category. Participation in other categories is not required. Please name the Model of your submission “LHC - 3R1 - <forum name>”, or LHC - 3R2 - <forum name>". Note that if any category receives less than six participants, then I will pad the field by allowing two cars by the same manufacturer to run.
The updated track:
Does this tax break extend to cars that are limited by aerodynamics or gearing, without need for a speed limiter?
Nope, just to cars with an actual speed limiter.
So, for the R2 Touring car racing class, does it need to be able to fit four fullsize seats or would +2 in the rear be acceptable?
If it’s not mentioned in the rules…
Is this like the minimum required time or maximum required time? It isn’t specified at all, and I’m just wondering.
Frunian PRIMUS factory, 1964
“Ah, Mr. Frehse, there you are. You returned from Letara?”
“Yes, boss. Successfully, I would like to add.”
“Wow, now that is something I did not expect from you, considering the past. I am listening…”
“The government made quite sane descisions for taxes, safety and so on. Our lobbying appointment was very pleasant. However, I funded the police force because getting rid of thousands pre-produced Letara spec Astronas to the Hetvesian police gave us a reliable long-term customer. However, they decided for diplomatic cars instead. But Mr. Rossi told me, we have something great in the pipeline.”
“Yes, Mr. Frehse, there is a prototype, the design is done, however, technically we are still far from being finished. When do they want that car?”
“In 1970.”
“Ah, our car will arrive in late '66, so… that’s fine. I’ll show you it.”
“One thing, boss…”
“Yes?”
“We need a race car within two months.”
“WHAT?”
“There is a touring car championship, and the Astrona reputation has been damaged because of the 1960 scandal, and this could be the perfect opportunity…”
“Damn it, how are we supposed to do this?”
“Mr. Bailoni said it would be possible… if we work double shifts…”
"Damn, the trade union will kill me… however, a race victory will give us glory not only in Letara but worldwide… Do it and f*ck off after that, you won’t get more from me.
“Actually, there is a second race class… I could ask in Gasmea if Globus wants to join, this would mean no more pressure on the Frunian engineers.”
“Gasmea? I have to call the CEO for that. You know, I am only the Frunian president. Now go take a look at the Imperator prototype, I’ll go get it. I want you to make sure our car is the one they chose. How was our slogan again, Frehse?”
“Primus - The Frist Choice”.
“Right. Make sure it is that, or you’ll be fired. Let’s go to the garage.”
Copy and paste this for the current round of techpool so you don’t have to manually fill it in. (Include the techpool word and everything down)
Techpool
Family,1.0
BottomEnd,3.0
TopEnd,3.0
Aspiration,1.0
FuelSystem,3.0
Exhaust,1.0
Body,0.0
Chassis,0.0
Interior,0.0
DriverAssists,1.0
Safety,2.0
DriveTrain,2.0
Tyres,2.0
Brakes,1.0
Aerodynamics,1.0
Suspension,0.0
It means your lap time has to be faster than 5 minutes.
I’ve added some updates to the Prologue:
And since the post went over the 32k character limit, I copied/pasted the closing words to here…
Remember, overarching rules are in the OP, so please read that too (especially new participants).
For returning companies, please re-use your LHC DM threads to submit your cars.
I didnt hear any mention of my Thunder Cruise idea. Am I just blind or was it not significant enough?
What does the rules mean when it says the aluminimum tax is non cumulative??
Lodging a strong protest against the current specifics of the R1/Unlimited class. It’s very difficult to build R1 cars within the current limitations to be meaningfully faster than R2 cars of the last era; in particular, the service costs of any car that goes above 186 mph are practically impossible to put into the limits due to tire limitations.
It doesn’t look like we’ll be able to get to the madness of 200+ mph at all.
Also, I would like to say that the current “100 mph limiter” policy is very situational because apart from MFI, electronic limiters don’t exist in Automation. Maybe 100 mph should be eligible for the tax break regardless of whether or not it’s electronically-limited.
R1 cars, due to the fact they’re not road legal anyway, should not have service cost restrictions
I agree with you. R1 cars are impossible to get under 5 minutes lap time without otherwise doing serious minimaxing.
Like, my attempt at an R1 class build could only muster 5:36.00 at best.