Might as well show mine.
You know, leo, I agree with you. It didn’t seem right to submit a van with horrendous fuel econony and expect to do well, given real life considerations. But I saw the rules and the balance stipulated and, surprise surprise, built something for those rules. In fact this would be a challenge that doesn’t fall prey to Max’s earlier response to certain past challenges (which I’m heavily paraphrasing): that price and economy are valued more highly than stated.
Perhaps we could generate a more transparent calculation by actually using the cargo and utility values offset by the actual running costs etc. That could be a useful discussion for future challenges, but would have been more useful for this challenge if one had discussed that before submitting 
What are regular car qualities? Why do they matter with a cargo van?
[quote=“strop”]
You know, leo, I agree with you. It didn’t seem right to submit a van with horrendous fuel econony and expect to do well, given real life considerations. But I saw the rules and the balance stipulated and, surprise surprise, built something for those rules. In fact this would be a challenge that doesn’t fall prey to Max’s earlier response to certain past challenges (which I’m heavily paraphrasing): that price and economy are valued more highly than stated.
Perhaps we could generate a more transparent calculation by actually using the cargo and utility values offset by the actual running costs etc. That could be a useful discussion for future challenges, but would have been more useful for this challenge if one had discussed that before submitting 
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that is why i suggested to add something
that is, a people’s choice award. open up all the vans to public, make a strawpoll, let the people choose which are best.
[quote=“strop”]
Perhaps we could generate a more transparent calculation by actually using the cargo and utility values offset by the actual running costs etc. That could be a useful discussion for future challenges, but would have been more useful for this challenge if one had discussed that before submitting [/quote]
That is true, however, I didn’t think it would be necessary to question the formulas used beforehand.
I have made quite a complex formula that uses several parameters, however, it is a pain in the arse to fill and it doesn’t work properly in other computers I tried.
I’ve no problem with people coming up with formulas of their own, if they work well. But just using a weighed mean is, honestly, one of the worst ways to do this, and the reason why costs usually are too important, because people often divide the mean by the costs, meaning that a small cost difference can become overly important.
[quote=“koolkei”]
[quote=“strop”]
You know, leo, I agree with you. It didn’t seem right to submit a van with horrendous fuel econony and expect to do well, given real life considerations. But I saw the rules and the balance stipulated and, surprise surprise, built something for those rules. In fact this would be a challenge that doesn’t fall prey to Max’s earlier response to certain past challenges (which I’m heavily paraphrasing): that price and economy are valued more highly than stated.
Perhaps we could generate a more transparent calculation by actually using the cargo and utility values offset by the actual running costs etc. That could be a useful discussion for future challenges, but would have been more useful for this challenge if one had discussed that before submitting [/quote]
that is why i suggested to add something
that is, a people’s choice award. open up all the vans to public, make a strawpoll, let the people choose which are best.[/quote]
SHHHHHHHH YOU’LL RUIN THE- I guess it’s already too late for that huh. 
There will be a people’s choice, after the winners reviews.
[quote=“KLinardo”]
What are regular car qualities? Why do they matter with a cargo van?[/quote]
I meant more on the topic of drivability, economy, comfort, etc. These vans should not only be good fat what they do, but easy to use.
[quote=“DoctorNarfy”]
I meant more on the topic of drivability, economy, comfort, etc. These vans should not only be good fat what they do, but easy to use.[/quote]
haha… btw good fat??? 
anyway. please to this again. with different themes and build year this time around.
maybe pickup trucks? jeeps? SUVs? anyone else up for it?
Wait… complaints about my tire choice but not my BRAKE choice??? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! My van has 4 wheel drums at -7 quality still can stop in under 150ft though 
EDIT: I am going to do a mini “review” of my van though because I think it is interesting.
About fuel.
In the states, the avg 1-ton cargo van gets 11mpg.
For reference.
Really? Never would have guessed. Where did you get that statistic? I just my stats on vans like the transit connect.
[quote=“Lordred”]About fuel.
In the states, the avg 1-ton cargo van gets 11mpg.
For reference.[/quote]
The vans here usually get 2-3 litres diesel engines, with 120-160 hp. They can carry around 1800 kg and yet get over 10 km/l (under 10 l/100 km, or 23.5 MPG US, 30 UK MPG).
Real world experience. Just had to rent an E450 which was equipped with a 6.8l V10. We hauled 6700lb pof stuff in it. Maintaining 55mph and driving gingerly netted me 11.6mpg.
Then there are all the studio accounts and equipment shops we have out here, the avg 1ton rated peice of equipment out here gets about 11mpg all said and done
Now 1/2 ton equipment is pushing 22-25mpg now adays.
[quote=“Lordred”]Real world experience. Just had to rent an E450 which was equipped with a 6.8l V10. We hauled 6700lb pof stuff in it. Maintaining 55mph and driving gingerly netted me 11.6mpg.
Then there are all the studio accounts and equipment shops we have out here, the avg 1ton rated peice of equipment out here gets about 11mpg all said and done
Now 1/2 ton equipment is pushing 22-25mpg now adays.[/quote]
I guess my van would count as a Heavy Duty van because I’m much closer to the E450.
That is what I was building for as well. A HD van. If I knew he wanted a LD van, I would have built that.
[quote=“koolkei”]since i never shown my van either.
had it used the turbo engine (without optimization tweaking, simply an engine swap)
like… mine is super comfortable, much more easier to drive, have higher prestige, super low fuel consumption, lower emissions
(11.42km/l = 8.75 l/100km = 32.25 MPG US) (10.62km/l = 9.41l/100km = 29.99MPG US)
high safety, high practicality, is pretty light (why is mine called heavy and slow, when it’s only slow?)
literally… the thing that’s holding me back is the comparatively weak engine…
so much regret[/quote]
Tbh I do not think a more powerful engine by a turbo would have helped. At least not for this challenge so much.
I’m honestly surprised. Never expected this design to succeed like this. It really was a gamble. I wonder if the engine’s lowly output is going to hurt its score as badly as i imagined. Well, at least it exceeds an economy of 14km/l… i guess owners are going to love that
my engine isn’t particularly economical, but it’s strong, solid, robust. 0-60mph in less than 10 seconds and great reliability are the main selling points for my engine. Plus, with the AWD system and an automatic gearbox, anyone can drive it. On top of that, it’s got great ride comfort thanks to its suspension setup which, combined with its great overall reliability, makes it an ideal car for going long distances frequently.
[quote=“Leonardo9613”]
[quote=“Lordred”]About fuel.
In the states, the avg 1-ton cargo van gets 11mpg.
For reference.[/quote]
The vans here usually get 2-3 litres diesel engines, with 120-160 hp. They can carry around 1800 kg and yet get over 10 km/l (under 10 l/100 km, or 23.5 MPG US, 30 UK MPG).[/quote]
hehehe. exactly my van? 3.2l with 156 HP with 10.62km/l. gasoline though, no diesel in the game yet 
I guess we just have to put our 'Muricaness aside when we participate in these challenges. I would hardly call a Ford Transit Connect a van by our standards, but I’m sure not too many countries besides those in North America use the large vehicles we do on such a regular basis. Our regular duty vans and trucks generally just dwarf their European and Asian counterparts. Next time I’ll ask for clarification.
I would love to see a heavy duty challenge. I was thinking about trying to come up with “The Farm Truck Challenge”.