Micro machine challenge! The Results Are In!

I could have sworn I made mention that quality should be set to +15. Also, the deadline is May 6th.

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A.N.Z motor racing division has found another use for its factory world rally car

You have pushrodsā€¦ not allowed pushrods sadlyā€¦and alsi engineā€¦

Thanks for pointing that out. I will adjust his entry.

May 6th!? Too soon! Will I have time to put something together??

Iā€™m uploading a new verision with fixes right now.

Smooth Motors present:
Smooth Goblin-RRR

249HP, 0-100kmh in 3 sec, top speed limited to 273.

Because life is overrated.

Well now, Iā€™m late to this party but some quick testing shows me that the specific dimensions of this engine actually restricts certain positions and formats for the bodies used. Thatā€™s a bit of a shame, as it could have opened up the competition slightly, but hey, thereā€™s no knowing these things unless you extensively playtest the rules first.

Of those available, one combination in particular reigns supreme. I think a couple of you have found parts of it, one of you has found most of it, but none of you have squeezed out as much as you can get out of it. This may be where I come in hohoho :imp:

p.s. due to the incomplete way the simulation processes handling characteristics i.e. no dynamic acceleration in cornering, the best combination is also a slightly unrealistic one, but hey, work in progress.

so FF?

First Order Automotive would like to present the Imp.

Itā€™s smallā€¦itā€™s green (in colour only)ā€¦and itā€™s got massively wide rear rimsā€¦

What on earth could possibly go wrong?

Nope, while FF is currently overpowered due to lack of power understeer character, itā€™s not that. FF cars just wonā€™t get from 0-100 in under 3s. Mine does 2.8.

How does it fell knowing that every time you show up to one of my challenges, you smear the floor with the other entriesā€¦

Some still have nightmares about @strop during the AMWEC '15

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Thatā€™s patently not true :stuck_out_tongue: if I recall correctly niall beat me overall in your FF challenge.

That said Iā€™m fairly confident Iā€™ve found the maximum performance that can be wrung out of your engine. Itā€™s not much more than the others Iā€™ve seen. Just curious, why aluminium block and head though? In 2016 everybodyā€™s already moving to AlSi.

hmmm and here I thought I may be in with a chance, saying that this engine is now my WRC engine and she performs quite well

This is Basilisk. Itā€™s small, but mighty.

It is also full of sharp pointy bits and the singularly most uncomfortable ride in the history of the automobile. I feel that it will take a lot more than bribes with sexy hypercars and sessions in poorly lit massage parlours to get our driver to agree to race itā€¦

Pretty much letting the cat out of the bag early with this one. Itā€™s got all the tricks I care to use from my old arsenal. The question is, will it be enough? I mean, the game is still changing and Iā€™m pretty sure there are things I missed, or habits that are outdatedā€¦

ā€¦but if you do want to beat it around the track, youā€™ll want to be doing well under 1:09 on Airfield.

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The restrictions are in place so I could get a feel for the interest in this challenge. Since its been well received, Iā€™ll open it up further.

Okay, Iā€™m more than just a little worried here.

I thought I had a strong contender, but apparently youā€™ve managed to cut the weight out of that thing better than Iā€™ve done.

Iā€™ll admit, tuning with VVL is not my strong-suit.

So, things I can tell about both cars hereā€¦ Youā€™ve got 4 horsepower over mine, weā€™re both RWD, though Iā€™m concerned by the number of vents youā€™ve got on the tail of that poor thing that weā€™re running different versions of RWD. Same materials for construction (not surprising, really). You went for basic seats, I went for sport seats. By the weight of that thing, Iā€™m suspecting some things went down to -15, notably seats and safety.

What I do know is that mine is going to probably be the slowest car here. VVL kills me every time, I can never manage a decent tune with it. That, and I feel I made a big mistake by not staying true to my usual strategy for some things, and being picky on others. I knew I shouldā€™ve stayed away from sport seats and standard safety.

eh. if it comforts you. i just started my car around 10 min ago, and im getting low 1:13 right now.
doubt i will get any lower than 1:10

I wonā€™t lie, I like big bu-

letā€™s try that again

I wonā€™t lie, since Vos wanted us to go all out with the tech, I went the whole hog and took everything out of the car there was to take out. You could say that of every choice we had free to us, I went for minimal weight, and nearly maximal drivability.

There are a few things about RR formats (see @AirJordanā€™s car, the frame peeking through the bodywork is a dead giveaway) that make them good for this kind of challenge. Theyā€™re lighter. Most of the weight goes over the driving wheels. The rear wheels are being driven. The lighter you make the front end, the faster you can make the front end pivot.

By the same token, theyā€™re horrendously difficult to tune because theyā€™re prone to ridiculous amounts of oversteer. You simply canā€™t tune them the same way as you tune FR or MR cars. Itā€™s kind of almost the opposite of turning an FF car except it makes even less sense.

When it comes to VVT + VVL, the trick isā€¦ for racing purposes only the VVL profile matters. Who cares how much low end you have unless youā€™re concerned about economy? (On that note Iā€™m working on hypercars that will do 400km/h, 6:40 around Green Hell and all on 9L/100km or less lol). Iā€™ll wager thatā€™s why @squidhead said the VVL bit was really weird: it adds a lot of weight to the car and for our purposes here all it does is kind of get in the way. I just set the cam profile to as low as it would let me without knocking when Iā€™d maxxed out everything else, because when the cam profile is nearly as high as the VVL and the VVL is maxxed out for performance, thatā€™ll infinitesimally broaden your powerband. Thatā€™s not how anybody in their right mind would tune a VVT-L engine at all in the real world, mind you.

Besides, with an NA engine, the lovely race exhaust and super expensive injection system and throttle bodies, the powerband and response is already lovely so all that remains is to find out the maximum performance index, and the method for that is pretty simple because itā€™s NA (much more difficult with turbos). Then after that, once youā€™ve optimised everything else, you just need to fiddle with the gear ratios because they donā€™t always follow reason. Thatā€™s the part I kind of skimped on because I couldnā€™t be bothered testing 30 ratios for probably 0.02s gain. And Iā€™m not sure that my choice of aero tuning is the fastest possible either given weā€™re playing with a mere 250hp (or, to give it some perspective, 350-450hp:ton). But one of my weaknesses is insisting on cars with zero lift, so thatā€™s what I did. That probably cost me a bit more time too.

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