Wasn’t making a direct reference to my car, yes the economy obviously wasn’t the best but that’s not my point. I’m making reference to all the competitors with cars way below the budget that get cut for less than $100 in fuel expenses. That’s stupid.
@Dragawn hopefully this gives more insight to what I’m saying… if you are calculating expenses and eliminate something that will cost you less in the long run, it doesn’t make sense.
@doncornaldie Yes, but this still is a competition where the client has preferences. If Madrias wants to save the world by consuming one drip less, even if it doesn’t make any sense economically, then it still is the client’s preference, so goes competitions judged by a human. I get upset too if it’s a hidden preference, but this time it was clear as day in the description.
Perhaps a better way to make the cuts would be to calculate fuel costs over a 5-year period - a common auto loan length - and add it to the base price, and use that… so a $24,000 car that used $1000 per year in fuel would make a $29,000 cutoff. More work, yes, but takes more into account.
Not talking to anyone in particular here, but if you think your time was wasted because you got cut, you are not going to go very far in life. Live and learn - every car I build in this game expands my knowledge and my experience. Just because your car wasn’t perfect for this one application, doesn’t mean it is worthless. Also, if the way you choose to react is to throw a temper tantrum… re: not going to go very far in life.
No one made any comment about their car not being good enough, so that point you’re making is misguided. Leonardo’s comments were made at the method of calculating expenses, which is lackluster at best. A point which I agree with. Saying that people won’t get far in life because of their disagreements with others is really a lopsided analysis of what happened.
However your solution to the real issue is one I would agree with.
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Not talking to anyone in particular here, but if you think your time was wasted because you got cut, you are not going to go very far in life. Live and learn - every car I build in this game expands my knowledge and my experience. Just because your car wasn’t perfect for this one application, doesn’t mean it is worthless. Also, if the way you choose to react is to throw a temper tantrum… re: not going to go very far in life.
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This doesn’t.
I see you arrived 3 hours ago, and you are already trying to judge the life of someone who’s been here for 5 years? Please, excuse yourself. My life is going really rather well, thank you.
It wasn’t clear as day that 0.7 mpg of a canon car, that was previously built, would cut it off the competition despite it making a lot of economical sense. Unlike you lot, I didn’t develop a car to fit the rules precisely, it was already made. Aka, it isn’t custom built, it is actually the closest simulation of having a dealership and having the customer see what you had already built. If they rejected my car by 0.7 mpg, despite 2,000$ savings upfront, good, that is not a customer i’d want driving my car anyway.
So which one is the truth? 
Both. Because I had to bother making the manual version of the car, which was already going to be made anyway, and re-export it. I didn’t change it from the DCT in any other way to fit the parameters of the challenge.
Also, there was an issue with my files, since I had to wipe all things automation from my pc due to a weird bug. So I had to re-do some changes to the file I found, which had been done before, but lost.
In order to post the car in my thread, I would have had to do both anyway, yes. But the fact that this challenge made me do them when I did is why I feel time was wasted.
Did the challenge timing stop you from spending your time elsewhere more effectively?
Because if you cannot honestly say “Yes” to this question then your time hasn’t been wasted… You merely regret spending time on updating your car range just to be excluded earlier than you feel is fair.
My point? It isn’t Madrias’s fault you feel this way, his challenge is fair and it’s his right to draw the line wherever he wishes. You, me and everyone else who’s hosted a challenge knows that line can sometimes be rather arbitrary but that’s the risk of entry; it’s a challenge, not a guarantee of winning, after all! Just accept the result and relax, no point getting worked up over a car that’ll be re-built in a few months anyway!
Yes. Time is a valuable commodity in my life right now, using it in ways that bring frustration qualifies as wasting it. [quote=“HighOctaneLove, post:78, topic:20694”]
Just accept the result and relax, no point getting worked up
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I have. I just felt like I needed to call out his bullshit, as I hate this kind of shoddy work 
Hmm, this reminds me of a certain CSR round where half the competition was cut because they used semi-active sway bars 
Hey, hey. I only cut people if they used both active sway bars and adaptive dampers. Cars with only one or the other went by.
If you’re a dealership, and a customer comes up “hey, I want a new car, but I’d like it to have better mileage than my old one”, and if he’s set on that thought, you wouldn’t easily convince him otherwise, just like “hey, I want my new car to have more HP than my old one; So let’s cut this one out that has less HP, but does have slightly faster top speed and 0-60 than some competitors that do” (like some Americans muscle car buyers) Sometimes customers just aren’t willing to do the math and draw a line. Sorry Leo, but this time I can’t blame Madrias for his decision.
I seem to remember a bit differently, but then again, I got taken out in the first cuts on yours.
My response:
I got cut for a variety of different reasons, I accept that. My point is, I made one reply to the whole mess, and it was to make a joke based off of something you’d said. Then I let the subject drop. I didn’t go on the attack in multiple places, I took it on the chin because I saw little reason to argue about it.
Now, yes, I could have done the results better, if I’d thought about adding up 5 years of fuel to the actual price of the car before I started writing results. But here’s the thing: I didn’t think of it.
Now, you might be looking at that CSR-33 quote up there and thinking I did it for vengeance, but no, I’m not vindictive or petty enough to do that. The only reason I looked that up was because 1: someone mentioned it, and 2: I needed the car for a different challenge.
Is my method “bullshit?” Probably. But how many people go to a dealership and fixate on one number or another, even if the other car is the ‘better’ car? How many people buy the V8 version when they really would’ve been better off with the V6? I’m pretty sure a lot of people do.
But one thing I do have is a decent memory. I’ll write it down, keep it in mind for future challenges to give you your request, to let you know you might not want to enter because it’s one of my challenges, and thereby may be subject to, well, subjective rules, possible hard cuts that don’t make sense, and occasionally imbalanced statistics. After all, I’ve only had CSR-22, HBL, and this challenge for learning experience on running one.
Just want to point out. I made a brief comment here and would be more than happy to have it be over at that.
But then I felt like I needed to reply to the people who blew it out of proportion and started calling me things. That kind of argument is unacceptable.
About the people who decided to personally attack me over my comment and expressing how this challenge made me feel, I decided to understand their anger issues by PM.
As I’ve stated before, I don’t fucking care about this. I just care about the 15 minutes I wasted on it, more now, since there was this useless discussion.
The method was bad, let’s just move on and find out who will be able to resist the next hard cuts.
But that isn’t the case here… He introduced the client as one that has been drawing up spreadsheets and doing research, so from that perspective you’d think that the client would be smart enough to consider long term value. Buy hey, what do I know?
Anyway it’s time to move on, but the at the end of the day the fact remains the fact. A shit method is a shit method regardless of any of our feelings about it or each other.
Well, I did make a promise that I’d have this wrapped up by the end of the week. I don’t want this ruining my weekend, so, for the sake of my sanity and just getting this shit-fest over with, I’m just going to release the top three cars.
Got a problem with it, tough. Take it up with everyone who carried an argument on in this thread.
In Third place is @Rk38 with the Maesima Prova.
In Second place is @abg7 with the Zorg ZV2.
In First place is @Dragawn with the Dragotec Renaissance.
I would have done a nice review here, but this thread isn’t worth the stress.
Second place? I only lost because the Renaissance offered even more bang for the buck (better economy and a premium interior, among others) but at least I can take pride in building the best of the compact cars shown here!
Wow, wasn’t expecting to get such a good finish considering I messed up and ended up with some expensive parts left in the engine. But big thanks to @Madrias for hosting even if things didn’t quite turn out quite how we were all expecting and congrats to @Dragawn for taking the win in a midsize!
It’s sad that this competition had to end in a massive argument, but I guess competitions can do that sort of thing. Kind of had hoped not to win in order to calm down the less economical folks, but I can’t deny that I’m happy to have won.
I hope that this hasn’t discouraged @Madrias too much from hosting challenges in the future, as I personally found this an interesting one, thanks for the competition man.
Although I might have won, my exterior design was lacking compared to a lot of you, far from the likes of @Leonardo9613 , @Rk38 and @ramthecowy Seriously great work you guys.
Congrats Dragawn on attaining victory, bask in the glow of another car sale and know that Dragotec has conquered yet another driveway!