Repmobile '86 (FINALS!)

TOP 10, PART 1

Now it is time for the top 10 cars, except for the finalists then, so this is place 4-10. The entries here are actually rather solid, so if you ended up here, you did a good job. Keep in mind that, as I said, the field was both large and even…


#10: CONSTELLATION N312E @oldmanbuick


This car sweeps the floor with the others reliability wise. There does not seem to be any magic about that, other than using tried and true technology with generous quality use in the right places, so not any reliability cheese here. Monocoque, transverse FWD, struts up front and torsion beam in the rear - like tons of other 80s cars. More odd is the somewhat agricultural engine. A 57 hp, 1.3 litre pushrod 3 cylinder. It probably plays a huge part in the low prestige score, and as you could have guessed, it does not do the performance any favour. 0-100 in 17.9 seconds, 80-120 in 13.4 and a 159 km/h top speed. The compression is high at 11.9:1 and it has MPEFI so I guess this was an attempt to squeeze out fuel economy. However, at 7.1 litres per 100 km it is only good - not excellent. At $542.30 it is cheap to service, though, but it is another car that also uses up the whole budget.

It only uses a 4 speed manual, not unusual for the era even if it was falling out of fashion, and with fourth gear as an overdrive the spacing is a bit wide. Brakes (solid disc/drum) seems to be well balanced, but suspension tuning is a bit weird with hard springs, soft dampers and no toe. Also, it uses ball type steering combined with FWD, not impossible, just unusual.

Maybe due to the weird suspension tuning, the comfort is low (probably only having basic cassette does not help), so is the sportiness (only minor stat) while the other minor stat, offroading, is about average. Driveability, however, is decent.

Thanks to the use of corrosion resistant steel, the weather resistance is excellent, and the advanced 80s safety means that safety rating is good (though there are equally good cars only using standard). Practicality wise, it is a tie with the Blackthorn at the top.

Styling wise, i am not a fan of the stubby and blocky proportions, or things like the rather flat rear end. Nothing ugly stands out like a sore thumb though, a rather average entry. Though, it has among the better looking interiors in the challenge, all important details are in place and the looks are elegant.

All in all, it has some top stats, but some of them are falling too much behind for me to consider this as a perfect entry - but it made it to the top ten after all!


#9 - YAMAZAKI PREMIO 1.6 GL @S_U_C_C_U_L_E_N_T

Well, styling wise this is a pure Accord ripoff, which keeps it from getting a top score. It should be said though that it is an almost pixel perfect copy, which I respect since I know how hard it can be to pull off, and it is clean and well made. It just lacks a bit of originality. Also, the interior is missing some detailing, albeit for a “dummy” interior it is a very nice one.

Engineering wise it generally makes sense too. Transverse FWD monocoque is almost the “default” choice for a car like this, and the DW/DW suspension setup just mimics Honda I guess. The engine makes about as much sense as it can, just under 1.6 litres and 81 hp, I must say that many cars here were really a bit underpowered, this one is not. With a 12.3 second time to 100, 8.86 second time 80-120 and 192 km/h top speed, it is one of the quicker cars. It’s an iron/alu 12 valve 4 cylinder, with a 2 barrel carb that still was a choice not out of the question in this era. It is mated to a 5 speed manual with what seems to be well chosen gearing. Unfortunately 8.8 litres per 100 km means that it is thirsty compared to some of the entries too.

Speaking of economy, at $664.80 the service costs are about average, and at $10500 it maxes out the budget. Reliability is good, without being top notch compared to the better entries here. The same could be said about the comfort, but considering that it only uses basic cassette and lacks power steering (both things making sense so this is not criticism), the comfort score is nothing to complain about I guess. Driveability is about average, and I don’t see much to criticize there, so I guess it is only a matter of a well weighted car that is not stats maxed. Maybe the rear brakes (drums, combined with vented discs up front) are a bit overpowered but that seems to be more of a pet peeve I have on my own, than something that affects game stats all that much. Prestige is more than enough to not be ashamed to be seen in the car. The structure uses galvanized steel, so weather resistance should be more than OK. It uses standard 80s safety with no quality, but maybe due to being a decently large car, it scores a bit above average, safety wise, and as with most four door entries, practicality is good.

If sportiness had been weighted higher, this could also have finished higher I guess, since it is above most cars there, but that was mostly a “kudos for not cheesing it away” score, so. Offroad, the other similar score, is not that good, but it should still be able to handle the conditions it would be subjected to, I guess.

So all in all, overall a very good and likeable car, with just some small drawbacks, which was enough to take it to the top ten despite the competition being tough.


#8 - WENTWORTH FALMOUTH 1.5L @Dog959

This could have been an elegant design with some more work, the basics are there, but the sloppiness regarding for example molding and light wrapping really lets it down. However, it should be said that it features an interior with some efforts behind it, with some interesting details and cool aesthetics.

Engineering wise, most choices really makes sense here. Transverse FWD, monocoque, struts up front and STA in the back. Engine an iron/alu 8 valve inline 4, just under 1.5 litres, making 70 hp. Maybe the 2 way cat could be questioned since to me that seems more like a 70s US thing. It has single point injection, and balance shafts makes it run smoothly, that was an advanced feature in the era, but not out of the question. It features a 5 speed manual, with sensible gearing.

As many other entries, it uses ball type steering on a FWD car which is a rather unusual arrangement IRL, but something I decided to not care about all that much. Hydropneumatic suspension is odd too - but the Citroën BX did exist in this segment so I can’t really complain.

Reliability is decent (on par with the Yamazaki). 7.5 litres per 100 km is about average fuel economy among the entries, but servicing at $595.40 a bit cheaper. It uses up the whole budget, but then again, few cars that managed to make it to the top 10 were any price bargains, and that wasn’t a high priority either.

It is among the more comfortable of the cars (courtesy of the hydropneumatic suspension maybe), and the driveability could be seen as “higher mid” I guess, suspension and brake tuning (solid disc/drum) seems to generally make sense. Yes, it is not very sporty but it could handle bad roads well (hydro strikes again I guess). Safety is a little bit over average (no quality standard 80s, so probably mostly other factors playing their part in bumping it up, but weather resistance low (only bare steel even in the structure). Prestige is about average.

Unfortunately it is a bit sluggish. 0-100 takes 14.4 seconds, 80-120 11.6 and it tops out at 158. So, with a little bit more power, better weather resistance and a little bit more work on the styling, this could have scored even higher I guess (but maybe would have needed other sacrifices, so it is a matter of balance I guess), but overall not a bad entry at all.


#7 - ACR 200 LANEA EXECUTIVE @shibusu

To me this starts to feel a bit old fashioned for 1986, and even for 1984 as the model year says, it is more of a circa 1978-82 design to me. That’s of course not unrealistic, but could have been seen as a drawback next to more modern looking cars. Though, albeit not the most exciting, it is an elegant design, with some well done detailwork and body sculpting. It also features among the very best interiors in the challenge with nice detailwork, styling and material choices, the only thing I think is lacking is front seatbelts, but since they aren’t the easiest, I let you slide there.

The engineering is sane. Monocoque, transverse FWD, Strut/STA suspension. 82 hp 1.5 litre iron/alu SOHC inline 4 with single point EFI. Manual 4 speed that isn’t extremely wide in its spacing, but not much of an overdrive in top gear then either. Despite that, 7.2 litres per 100 km could be seen as “high-mid” figures. With 10.9 seconds 0-100, 8.72 seconds 80-120 and a 190 km/h top speed, it is also a decently quick car.

As well as the fuel economy, the other top priority stats (reliability, service costs) could be seen as “high mid”, actually at $599 the service costs even a bit cheaper than so. Comfort is average and driveability actually a bit disappointing - unfortunately I can’t really see why the game gives this car such a sour driveability stat since I don’t see anything that’s really wrong with it, so I guess it is not squeezed out as well as with some of the other cars. Prestige is slightly above average, so is the weather resistance (galvanized structure). It leaves $200 of the budget, that does not give it much of an advantage but it is still not a bad figure here at the top, most cheaper cars were subpar. Safety is about average, practicality good as well as offroad and sportiness.

A very solid entry, that somehow lacks the “bite” to take it all the way to the top.


#6 - BERGHAMMER 3160i @LS_Swapped_Rx-7

Yes, it draws a lot of inspiration from the BMW E30, but it is far from a ripoff, it has managed to take the best bits of that car and still maintain its own personality. Maybe the gas filler door should have been a bit bigger and the wheels not as massive in the wheel wells, that’s just minor gripes though, overall I like it a lot. Interior in all vantablack is mostly to be seen as a dummy for improved photos, though.

Engineering wise, it has a monocoque, rear wheel drive, struts up front and a maybe a little bit questionable double wishbone rear suspension, but well, if you could squeeze it in at the price point, then why not. Engine is an iron/alu SOHC 8 valve inline 4, single point EFI, with tubular header as a maybe questionable part, but I said nothing about them either, so just a minor grip. 80 hp and almost 1.6 litres. It is mated to a 4 speed advanced auto that seems to have sane gearing.

Reliability is not disastrous, just not as top notch as some of the other cars. 8.4 litres per 100 km is on the thirsty side, though, but even advanced autos gives a drawback there, so… At $632.2 the service costs are average, but despite some advanced technology it is actually $100 under the budget. 14.5 seconds to 100, 10.5 seconds 80-120 and 180 km/h top speed, mediocre figures maybe, but should be seen in the light of the auto trans too, I guess.

It is among the most comfortable and prestigious cars, so it is obvious that it is aiming upmarket, driveability could be seen as “high-mid”, but being a bit tail happy at slow speeds, with no toe and Automation generally punishing RWD cars, it is what it is I guess. Suspension tuning seems to be sane, brakes (solid disc/drum) maybe a little bit grippy.

Weather resistance is about average (at least it has a galvanized structure), safety (standard 80s) a little bit above. Practicality decent, as with most 4 door cars. Decent scoring in the minor stats (sportiness/offroad).

All in all, a good and solid entry.


#5 - SEONGU GRAN KANDO 1.3i LX @AndiD

This is hardly the most eye pleasing car in the world - but even if it lacks a bit depth in detailing, it’s unexciting styling is at least realistic - it doesn’t gain ugliness points by things sticking out like a sore thumb. Its barebones interior probably mostly is there to improve exterior shots.

Actually, this is another 1.3 litre, 3 cylinder entry. At 64 hp it gives slightly more power, but it shakes even more, maybe the high compression isn’t of much help to make it less agricultural. With a SOHC 2V layout it is a little bit more modern, though. It is mated to a 5 speed gearbox that really makes use of all the gears to make the car move, not giving it much of an overdrive. Despite that, at 6.2 litres per 100 km, the fuel economy is top notch. It is also quicker than you may think, 13.9 seconds to 100, 11.2 seconds 80-120 and a 175 km/h top speed isn’t among the fastest cars, but still adequate.

The engineering is tried and true for the class. Transverse FWD Monocoque with struts and torsion beam. The reliability is excellent, service cheap at $535.90 and it is $200 under the budget. What suffers is the comfort, maybe mostly because of a harsh engine and manual R&P steering, because suspension tuning seems decent (with a little bit of cheesy weirdness maybe, but still making sense). Brakes (solid disc/drum) are very small and has some sportiness fade, but seems to have sane overall tuning. Driveability is about average. Prestige is decent, as well as safety (standard 80s) and practicality is great. Not so much: the weather resistance of the all steel structure. Offroad is so-so but sportiness actually decent.

A prime example of how to get the most out of “an car” as possible. Nobody is dreaming of it, but it is hard to rule it out….


#4 - WALDERSEE ATTACHE L16V @Texaslav

A nice and rather period correct attempt at a “futuristic” and “sporty” car in this segment from this era that was just in between the period of “the future is a wedge” and “the future is a blob”, that without looking too coupé like or too modern. My personal opinion is that the chrome trim clashes slightly with the futuristic ambitions, though. And of course, it does not come without its drawbacks. Practicality is second lowest in the round.

Generally it has a good looking and well detailed interior. It is let down by some details looking a bit too old, mainly the window cranks and steering wheel, but since there is a rather limited amount of fixtures to choose from they aren’t bad enough to be major letdowns.

The engineering is more or less what could be expected. Monocoque, transverse FWD, strut/STA suspension. A 12 valve iron/alu inline 4 that is rulesmaxed out capacity wise. 85 hp at 5400 RPM, fed through an eco carb but they were still around in 1986. The five speed manual with fifth as an overdrive has sane gearing. At 7.4 litres per 100 km, the fuel economy is about average, but it is absolutely one of the quicker cars, the only one with a sub 10 second 0-100 (9.94), 7.82 seconds 80-120 and a 189 km/h top speed.

Reliability is good, even if some cars were even better, service costs decently low at $580.90. Comfort is a letdown, maybe due to a “sporty” suspension tuning and manual RP steering, driveability slightly over average. Sportiness blows every other entry away though, but that wasn’t that much of an advantage this time. And if the roads are getting a bit rougher, this is not a dream car…. But for someone climbing the company ladder, the prestige rating is the highest of all the cars. With partial alu panels on a corrosion resistant chassis it will probably stay fresh for a long time too…. (even if it smells a bit like a yellow dairy product…)

Safety is kind of a letdown, and I blame the negative quality there, but as the priorities were written, I can see why it was being used. And even if the $10100 pricing is just marginally below budget, it is actually cheap for the car you will get.

This shows that with the right engineering, you don’t need to make a cookie cutter car to score well. Maybe it could have been at the podium if it had sacrificed a bit of the sportiness for comfort.


THE FINALISTS:
@donutsnail
@Elizipeazie
@Mad_Cat & @Tsundere-kun

TO BE CONTINUED…

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Rather excited, I haven’t been in the Top 3 in ages, don’t think I’ve been that close to winning since CSR 109 :smiley:

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Well, that’s pretty much mission accomplished for any Flint-Constellation-Via vehicle, especially in the “E” or “Endurance” trim. The engine was admittedly underpowered, although the base-trim VW Jetta apparently had only 54-hp at the time, so I didn’t consider the 57-hp wildly unrealistic. But there were definitely things sacrificed in the name of mechanical simplicity for reliability’s sake.

Given my design skills, I take this as basically high praise! (See my above comment)

Thanks for the very thoughtful and detailed review!

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Well, there is a difference between “unrealistic” and “underpowered”. Yes, there were some rather measly engines in this segment back then, but people usually didn’t buy them if they could opt for something stronger.

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Can you please tell me why my car was low on comfort? Was it due to poor suspension tuning/components or my basic interior? Combination of both?

Because you’re you.

Im here for educational shit, not childish shit.

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Gee bro, don’t get triggered. It isn’t that deep :confused:

Your absolutely right, I asked Knugcab a question. I wasnt trying to rub elbows to get to know you.

Im cool off your left field ass comments.

Edit…I was triggered… you got me.

Smh, back to making cars.

Sorry everyone.

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I would say that the basic interior was the main reason why it was low. For being a car with basic interior, it was actually not that bad, but I did some fiddling with your car, and just changing to standard bumped it up a lot. I tried to do some more fiddling with it. Changing the entertainment to standard, adding power steering (R&P) and bumping up interior quality to +4 would have made it the fifth best car comfort wise, still being inside the budget. Progressive springs with a softer tuning on top of that. could have made it pass 30 with ease and being third. Now, keep in mind that this is ONLY about comfort, I would not have used the softer suspension tune myself, I think the one you had seemed reasonable, and it could have sacrificed other stats. But as you were suspecting, though, the basic interior wasn’t the best choice IMO.

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Thanks for that information, i was hoping that it wasnt because of my suspension tune. Im gonna fiddle around with it again and try to make it more comfortable while staying within the 10k price cap. This car shall soldier on for the next 10 years before the next body change and with this being the first model year for that body (according to Axxus) we gotta get the kinks worked out lol.

Thanks again for hosting this challenge and I look foward to your next one!!

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TBH, basic interior is more akin to what you will find in some really low spec commercial vehicles, or really simplistic cars like the Citroen 2CV, as I have understood it. Something like this would more likely have had standard, but for the early eliminations I wasn’t going too deep into that stuff.

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TOP 10, PART 2: FINALS!
The three remaining cars are the following:

The PAIGE AQUILA 1.5 HE by @donutsnail , the ANHULTZ MIMAS V1200 by @Elizipeazie and the WINSON SAPPHIRE 1600i by @Mad_Cat and @Tsundere-kun .


The PAIGE is a bit unusual for this competition in using a L-FWD layout, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It also uses a double wishbone front end, and a semi trailing arm rear end, so it feels like it has more serious ambitions as a drivers car, compared to some of the entries, but then again, it feels realistic enough, as far as Automation suspension alternatives go. Engine is rather typical - an 1.5 litre iron/alu 12 valve SOHC inline 4, fitted with a maxed out eco carb, size wise. Maybe the really heavy balancing weight feels a bit cheesy, considering the stats priorities, but eh, nothing I will have some sour feelings about in the end. It cranks out 73 hp at 5400 RPM.

With kind of an overdrive in both fourth and fifth, the transmission feels like if it is geared towards fuel economy. At 6.8 litres per 100 km it really succeeds with that too, but the car is not overly slow. 13.7 seconds to 100, 10.5 seconds 80-120 and a top speed of 186 km/h puts it at the higher side of the list, at least. Reliability wise, it is the worst out of the finalists, but still rather good. At $596.90 the service costs are also reasonably cheap, but buying the car uses up the whole budget. It is fairly comfortable without pulling off any special tricks, standard/standard interior and manual steering. The driveability is the highest of all the finalists, again not among the best in the round, but still on the “good” side, especially considering that the car is on hard longlife tyres. Suspension and brake tuning feels sane overall. It is among the better cars at handling bad road conditions, sportiness a bit so-so but there were other cars that were worse. Safety wise, it is the best car out of the finalists, and manages a really good score for just having standard 80s with no quality, maybe because it is among the larger cars in the round. Practicality is very good and prestige at a rather high level. It has a galvanized structure and the best weather resistance out of the finalists.

Styling wise, there is no question about it - this is among the better looking cars in this round. Well detailed, everything looks more or less right, good looking without being TOO fancy or futuristic for the segment. Nice. The same could not be said about the interior. It is too incomplete to give any extra score at all.


The ANHULTZ could be seen as the price bargain, it is the only finalist at a 4 digit price, in fact the only finalist not maxing out the whole budget. But it suffers from the same problem as some other of the “cheap” cars, the 61 hp 1.2 litre pushrod four banger wouldn’t have made customers all that happy. It is fed by a single eco carb, and curiously enough all aluminium.

The engineering choice I am a bit salty about, is partial monocoque on a sedan. It is rear wheel drive, with a double wishbone/semi trailing arm layout. Mercedes-esque engineering at this price point, not bad, lol. The gearbox is a five speed manual, with gearing that seems sane, not too economy focused with this small engine, even if the fifth is an overdrive. It still means that the fuel economy is the best among the finalists, 6.4 litres per 100 km. But the small and anemic engine takes its toll on performance. 15.3 seconds to 100, 13.2 seconds 80-120 and a 168 km/h top speed makes it the slowest out of all the finalists. With performance being only a 2 star stat after all, it was enough to take it to the finals. At $513.5, its service costs were beaten only by the ultra cheap Régal, so it is absolutely among the entries with the best total economy.

Reliability is top notch, what else could be expected from this brand, and it is the most comfortable of the finalists, like the Paige, totally without any special tricks, I guess it could mostly be attributed to its chassis setup. Driveability is rather average, courtesy of how Automation is treating RWD cars I guess. But despite the RWD setup, sportiness? Ha ha. No. Prestige is also in the lower mid range. Weather resistance is almost on par with the Paige, galvanized structure also in this case. Safety is a small notch above average, using 80s standard with no quality, like most entries. But it is also smaller than the Paige which probably contributes to the lower rating. Like most four door entries, practicality is decent, and it knows how to handle a bad road.

Design reminds me a bit about 80s Hyundai for some reason, like an Excel front on a Stellar body or something. Not hyperdetailed, not very exciting but all in all a believable design that works. No interior, though.


The WINSON styling looks a bit odd, until you realize that it is an extensive facelift of a much earlier car, which suddenly makes it make sense. Clean and not overdone, the right balance is found. It has an elegant base interior that is not very well detailed and has some bloopers like armrests facing the wrong way. Still, the best interior among the finalists.

Like the Anhultz, it is rear wheel drive, albeit with a solid coil sprung rear axle, and double wishbone front suspension. Well, it worked for Opel Ascona and Ford Taunus at the same time as this car was supposed to be engineered (1973) so why not?

The 71 hp, 1.6 litre inline 4 is in one way like a pumped up version of the Anhultz, with pushrods and being all aluminium. More power, though, and actually even fuel injection. At 7.2 litres per 100 km it is the thirstiest of the finalists, though, but it is the best one out of them performance wise. At 176 km/h it can’t match the top speed of the Paige, but acceleration is quicker with 12.6 seconds to 100 and 10 seconds 80-120.

Reliability is decent (better than Paige, worse than Anhultz), at $603.40 servicing is at an average level, and costlier than for the other finalists. Comfort rather average, probably the solid axle takes its toll, since suspension tuning feels sane and interior is standard/standard like most cars in the round. Driveability beats Anhultz and is very good for a RWD car before electronic aids. Brakes (4 wheel solid discs actually!) seems to be tuned well, as well as the suspension. Prestige is fair, like Paige more or less, weather resistance slightly worse than the other finalists, but still good, once again, with a galvanized structure. Safety is the worst out of all the finalists even if it was rather even - the Winson is the smallest of the cars which is probably why it comes out the worst, it runs standard 80s like most of the bunch. It is the only finalist with a somewhat decent sportiness rating, practicality is decent, and so are its offroad capabilities.

THE VERDICT:

3rd place

ANHULTZ MIMAS V1200 @Elizipeazie

Objectively, a great car when it came to the top priority stats. Also, a real price bargain among the better scoring cars in the round. In the end, it sacrificed too much of especially performance to be a winner, though. It also feels a bit boring and uninspiring compared to the two other finalists. Not that it matters all that much in this segment, but if given the choice, the heart will have some say too and not just the brain, when the cars actually are as good as the two other finalists were.

2nd place

WINSON SAPPHIRE 1600i @Mad_Cat and @Tsundere-kun


Old but gold? Not this time, but at least old but silver. I feel that this cars offers its buyer a bit more than the Anhultz in general - which also comes at a higher price. And at the same price as the Paige, it is questionable if this smaller and more primitive car would have cut it, even though it was able to beat the Paige when it came to some stats.

1st place

PAIGE AQUILA 1.5HE @donutsnail


This is one of the cases where a car just manages to be the perfect allrounder. Even if the Aquila wasn’t the best car at anything, it managed to be significantly better than average at almost everything, which it was pretty much the only car you could say so about. Well, sportiness was on the low side, but still you could say “at least it was not cheesed away”, and it used up the whole budget, but who cares when the car manages to be this good. Combine that with being one of the best looking and most well designed entries and the winner actually was a no brainer in the end.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE WINNER, AND MERRY CHRISTMAS!

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Thanks for hosting Knug! I’m a big fan of your one-off challenges and this was a fun one for me.

I had mentioned on discord that this entry was based on something I had built in a previous version of the game, all the way back in 2020, and that I was pleasantly surprised that the design had mostly survived being exported over… I then realized, the last time I used this car in a challenge was also to you, also in a one-off challenge!

I feel this version of the car is a bit more fully realized than the shitspec version carrying on until ‘93 I previously gave you.

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You are mad skilled my man.