My original problem was your statement that the #independentsuspension on the new Civic somehow completely eradicates understeer. I was about to make a comment about that old Citroën you once owned which did in fact have fully independent suspension, passive rear wheel steering AND the engine canted rearwards for better weight balance, making it such an amazing cornering machine which you can totally confirm.
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OH right. Yes. I could have been oversimplifying and misattributing. But I don’t know where I indicated that it was the independence of the suspension that mattered. I was worried about the Macpherson struts on the front. Unless I’ve horribly misunderstood what Macpherson struts are.
The new Civic’s suspension is accompanied by a better (stiffer) chassis and a more pliant setup which probably does contribute far more to the handling. But I did assume that the inevitable camber change on the 9th gen’s Macpherson struts limited its cornering. I actually don’t know if that’s the case.
Also wrt the Xsara, fuck me, that thing had passive rear wheel steering? I had no idea. Not that it mattered worth shit.
EDIT: OH I just went back and read my post LOL. I see where we went off now and that’s what I get for trying to post via mobile
What I meant by “independent motion” wasn’t wheels operating independently of each other, but rather, the travel of the wheel not having to pivot around a single point and therefore remaining independent of camber changes which alter cornering characteristics as the loading on the wheel changes. My understanding of this is incomplete (better read up on it before I start talking pure bullshit), but that’s what I was getting at.
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The camber change on MacPhersons is a lot more irregular than on Double wishbones, where the camber gets progressively more negative in a linear way as load increases (good). MacPs on the other hand can change from negative gain to positive camber gain as the struts are usually subjected to twisting forces as well as the vertical movement (Michael Jacksons 1987 album). This better load handling ability is also the reason why Double Wishbones are used by almost all IFS Trucks.
Yes, the most low-tech RWS possible, very soft rear trailing arm bushings that allow mild movement while cornering and wear out incredibly quickly. Probably mattered on the 2.0 16V VTS.
Argh rear steering ever driven a skyline or honda prelude
Renault Laguna GT
no, but I admit, I’m really curious about the Prelude.
That sounds like something that one would have trouble deciding between “design flaw” or “engineering feature”. At shitbox level, I would personally preferred something that worked, but hey, it was Citroen 
It’s more pronounced on its predecessor, the ZX. My dad has owned a Xantia for a while, same basic suspension design but with Hydropneumatics, yo. Lasted 550kkms without making any troubles on the suspension front, just basic Hydropneumatic maintenance.
Wait, wasn’t BX Xantia’s predecessor? And ZX Xsara’s one?
First sentence still reefers to the Xsara.
I’d be happy to give Citroens another shot, I just need a few more decades to get over my trauma first 
…hope that’s not the case for the Saminda faithful and the million recalls #seamlessegue
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Or you can get Adenine brand AWD with more comfort than any of them 
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Should just point out that those prices are out of date, due to the car being made before the latest update to the game. But, in saying that, you can still get a mid-range Lex model for that kind of money, and it has the many advantages of the Tauga’s design that you’ve mentioned…
…just sayin’ 
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My bros first car was a 1989 prelude with a 2.2 and no shit the rear wheels turned up to 15* and made for awesome parking and reverse fishtails but no other benefit. The skyline is the same kind of deal but operates at high speeds and is a known “cause” of all wheel drive under-massively oversteer when the driver is not expecting it…yes i have put a gtr into the wall at qld raceway…was not my car either lucky r32 gtr’s a cheap as chips
where is this place
Australia
I know, but as far as I know, the R32 is about as low as it’s ever going to get… now what DS5 considers chips cheap, idk
I’m hoping that the influx of R32s to America will make people realize that they’re really nothing special will drive the price down.
Then I can pick one up myself.
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R32’s can be bought for about $4000 for a gtst or gts4 a gtr will set u back $12000-$20000 for a well looked after aussie delivered model. R33’s are cheaper again
a thrashed skyline can be bought for $2000
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R32s in Canada have risen in price because of the American demand for them. In a couple of years it’ll be the R33s that go up and then the R34s… Now’s the time to get them before they turn 25.
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meanwhile… an incredibly hard to find R32 here cost about the same as a brand new camry
just rechecked: it’s 2 new Camrys, and R34 double that. so EFF that shiz
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