And stage 2 is completed with only 4 guys moving up to the next stage, the pretty damn scary Pikes Peak.
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What happened
Well, first of all a lot of people did not pay attention to the stages their cars will have to go through and ran out of fuel.
Lots of guys put in a lot of thought and came up with very much different solutions, but a few ideas are shared among pretty much all cars.
The speed of the car matters, but not as much as being able to have good use of boosts and negating penalties, which makes a few cars actually shine.
Every specialization into tarmac or a gravel setup is a huge gamble, which may or may not pay off. Acemaster would walk over all of us in stage 2 if he could get through stage 1
Battle system made sure that RaduST is leaving us, while Koolkei makes it to Stage 3, so that is cool to see working.
What’s going to happen
Stensen’s offroad gamble has paid off so far, the car received minimal damage on the most difficult stage and now reaps the benefits, but as the stages and damage piles on we’ll see his competitiveness drop, will this momentum be enough to pull him through Stage 3? We’ll see
Koolkei’s car is extremely fast, but the damage is piling on, resulting in some hefty penalties. The “jack of all trades” kind of build is very much a safe bet for this competition.
Airjordan is very much in a similar camp to Koolkei, and is a serious competitor if the damage penalties don’t get him first.
Squidhead’s car is very tarmac specific, so if by some miracle he isn’t shot out in the next round, where he’ll be penalized for soft compound tires, he’ll have serious advantage in the finals.
So Stensen’s got 4-5% advantage in the next round and only Squidhead’s car is on tarmac tires… This is looking good I would bet on Fat Minion Michael at the moment
EDIT: I think that with a bit of analysing it’s quite clear what will happen. Not sure if that spoils the fun or not. Well I still might be wrong…
Last time I went analyzing without a calculator and an automation open I was certain I’d run against Madrias in stage 2 So yeah… anything seems to be possible, but my chances are slim
the damage for stage 2 has been applied twice. qualification run and the race. wasn’t aware of it either and my little reliability margin i left wont suffice… such a shame considering how well my strategy worked out thus far…
Well, I saw that coming a mile away. Looks like my completely shit luck strikes again. Taken out on the tarmac track when I know the Envy would have survived Pikes Peak.
I’d loan one of the guys with low reliability my car, but, well, obviously your car is much better. I’ve got plenty to make it home.
Squidhead I really dig your competitions. They look good, have humorous comments and at the end I win.
Joke aside, it was really fun, thanks for taking your time!
Next topic: business
How did penalised driveability actually affect us?
I suggest what have been said before, that time penalties due to reliability are proportional to our actual reliability. Like this stage one where I got 5% penalty because offroad damaged my car but my penalised reliability was still higher than let’s say stensen’s.
Another small issue is that after stage 2 it was quite clear what will happen as you were the only one on slicks and not the fastest, koolkei got similar specs to mine but was a bit slower and stensen got upper hand with penalties but had a much slower car than me. So maybe don’t show us all the times, just stage time and at the end sheets with all the times and penalties.
[quote=“squidhead”]And posted. Good job to the finalists! You can have cookies now.
Thoughts on what should be changed what should be added for the next competition. etc etc etc.[/quote]
How about some form of hill climb where you have to have power and reliability (for the strain the hill will put on your car) where fastest run wins (obviously) I would say you could do 3 runs per car but the results would always turn out the same probably
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How did penalised driveability actually affect us?
I suggest what have been said before, that time penalties due to reliability are proportional to our actual reliability. Like this stage one where I got 5% penalty because offroad damaged my car but my penalised reliability was still higher than let’s say stensen’s.
Another small issue is that after stage 2 it was quite clear what will happen as you were the only one on slicks and not the fastest, koolkei got similar specs to mine but was a bit slower and stensen got upper hand with penalties but had a much slower car than me. So maybe don’t show us all the times, just stage time and at the end sheets with all the times and penalties.[/quote]
Driveability penalized you in 1vs1 battle mode when you get battle bonuses if you and your competitor are separated by less than 1 second. This happened 1 time during the competition. For the next competition Im planning to add weather conditions which will make your driveability a factor in every race. Having maths open was here to show you the inner workings of the system, so you could comment on is it working or not. Also I am guessing more stages could be a better idea… IF we don’t lose 2/3 of our competitors to fuel consumption next time.
Before the start of the competition I thought that I had off-road, power and reliability on my side. That wasn’t completely the case as some of you guys had equal if not greater reliability and similar of road abilities. I’m actually a bit curious if I wasn’t topped in horsepower as well, with 410 at the crank. Either way, next time I’ll have to build a faster presidential limo, that’s for sure.
It was a very engaging competition. Consider me enrolled for he next event. Although I feel that it could use a touch more carnage.
damn that was close. should have spent the remaining 20000 of the budget on a proper engine
agree with what was said. cool competition overall! next time dont show the detailled data while the competition is still ongoing (except for if you can make changes to your setup). you could have stages with different sectors having different road conditions. i like how you treated reliability, however i still don’t really get how the drivability penalties work exactly.
This part of the challenge should be dropped if you do another run. IMO, having a eco run at the start of a performance challenge makes no sense and strikes me as illogical; why?
My car was calculated to have a 45L tank yet it would have been childs play to install a larger tank. In Australia, Torana’s would have droptanks installed with 100L tanks so that the modders didn’t run out of gas and my car wasn’t much smaller than a Torana…
If the competition is based on a professional team then the car’d have been trucked to the event and at minimum a support team would have tagged along. They’d have been carting extra fuel and could have purchased more locally since you’d stipulated 91 RON octane as that was the fuel available in the area… If we were ameteurs then we’d still be able to buy fuel on the way to the event!
My car wasn’t heavily tuned; 11.09L per 100Km for a 2000cc four-cylinder in 1975 was excellent. The challenge was to build an all-rounder, so to not be able to compete because my car “ran out of fuel” really sux, as in I’d-not-compete-in-your-events-in-the-future level sux! I’d have accepted being knocked out because my car failed to be competitive but to not be able to compete in the first place is like a slap in the face. I, and everyone else, put time and effort into our entries so making us tune for a locally available fuel then not allowing us to compete because of a “lack of fuel” is very frustrating indeed.
Phew! Now that I’ve said what I needed to say; I don’t mind the idea of knockouts. It makes less work for the competition host and if the host explains why they’re knocked out (if it isn’t something clear like lap times etc.) then it will help less experienced players learn the simulation better. Of course I’d like to see everyone have a run so that they can see if their ideas had any merit but I acknowledge there is excellent roleplay and structural reasons for knockouts.
TL;DR… Lose the eco-run and this competition would become awesome!
Ok, noted. Next event we’ll have more eco stages, with damage penalizing your consumption. Cool!
You know what? I wasn’t going to do this, I was going to keep quiet and take it, but complaining? Really? Well ok, then, here we go, my turn.
The fuel tank rule has been posted long before the accepting of entries began
The fuel efficiency stage has been announced long before the accepting of the entries began
The exact criteria on which your car would be measured was declared before the accepting of the entries began
And you say this?
No. No you haven’t. You truly really haven’t. What you did was slap bang a car without seeing if it were to make it through the first stage, and then sent it to me. And now you are complaining about frustration? Frustration is when you take your personal time to run a competition for the guys on the forum and they think that wasting your time with pointless entries is just fine. I mean it’s only 9 cars which would not pass the first stage, as in 9 pointless entries that did not have a single fighting chance. HALF of the entries had to be resubmitted and checked against the rules AGAIN, taking my time. Why? Well because such time and effort was put into these cars that some of them did not agree with the 5 rules set for this event. Record breaking? Not going to name names but 4 out of 5 rules were broken by one car. There are 5 simple rules and 1 simple condition of the stage 0. Should I link you to a 4xA4 ruleset for each class of AMWEC just to compare? Insult to injury? I had to manually calculate all of these car’s petrol tanks and their consumption, even those that blatantly failed by people who blatantly did not care enough, and would never pass Stage 0. THIS sux, as in “I’d not host another event for anybody ever again in the future” level sux. So don’t you go complaining and blaming me for a car you’ve barely spent an hour on did not finish stage 0 because you were to lazy to get a calculator out.
I was ambitious but rubbish, my van was a bit of a time waster but I was hoping that by some miracle my van would run across the finish line after sipping the last bit of fuel. (turns out my calculations were WAY off)
very nice!
I would bet on Fat Minion Michael at the moment 
So yeah… anything seems to be possible, but my chances are slim
