The Car Shopping Round (Round 64): Tears in Heaven

May I still submit a post presenting my submission? I was still writing on it as you started the reviews already :sweat_smile:

I can already say, it is very likely worth it :wink:

Absolutely! I’m totally fine with that :sunglasses: Thanks for participating!:grin:

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Ohh I had a good crack on this. How fitting it is that the virtual car company I’m mostly using here, Tare (actually Ta-Re), is supposed to be an homage to particularly the Japanese car manufacturers.

So here’s what Tare would offer as a “brother”-car for Toyota’s AE86 Legacy; instead of the Subaru BRZ: The Tare RAX! Tried to lean more towards making a somewhat practical car than a pure performance coupé.

And no, it’s definitely not a Honda, and yes, it’ll fit. :wink:

It also features a standard issue Infotainment System. We have our own legacy to uphold, since our first rally car also featured at least a radio. But we’re going sentimental here. The Infotainment is also a good way to control, e.G. turn off our handful of driver assists, and, here’s the cherry, how our active automatic diff, AcDiff, behaves. It can loosely lock when it detects slip, guided by traction control. It can lock when the steering is pointed straight ahead, can go well together with launch control on the drag strip. And last but not least: It can be set to lock all the time! Have it “welded” and unwelded at a touch of a button! With that, you’re always ready for traction! Heh.
Ohh, you also notice the “7” on the stick? Turns out printing that number on the knob prevents any crashes, so the front and side airbags theoretically aren’t needed! Jokes aside, this is your lucky number for fuel economy. Cruises 120 kmph with barely over 2k RPM, the engine has enough bottom end torque to handle that easily. And if you really get into it, this could also be your lucky number for an even higher top speed if you ask the guys over at MOZI to install you a turbo! Heard they got up to 500 horses out of that engine even with stock internals still running 98! Anyways, this will already go to 269 in sixth gear. I think the gearbox alone is worth it. Nice short gearing, high speed capabilities, good quality, and not everyone has 7 gears! You could brag about this to your friends and feel like a car god with epic skills, …except your friends are truckers.
The engine, 2.4 liters, 255 horsepower, or 190 kilowatts. It’s an inline 4, sure, but it sounds jurassic between 6000 and 8000 RPM. Yes, it revs that high, and that’s also where its sweet spot lies! The lower revs are good and torquey for cruising, you won’t lug that engine very much. But go beyond 4000 RPM, and ACTEC comes into _ACT_ion! Heh…

It takes a minute and 24 seconds to go around a popular British airfield. Grippy sports tyres by standard!
All this for a raw price of 16800! And you can still deliver tofu with it, as it still has capacity left for non-sport activities!


I’ll take that as being better than

So, Am I Improving?

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I had this done last night but I was planning on writing a big presentation to go with it… Oh well, here it is then :slight_smile:

Thanks to rk38 for letting me use his open-source design for inspiration :slight_smile:


Part II - Toyota excludes designs that will prove problematic to sell worldwide

This category includes cars that have used exotic materials, exotic techniques or unviable drivetrain choices to achieve their goals. All these cars are great and only failed to take Toyota as a global entity into account!

Smooth VG-12 by @AirJordan: 4:36.02

There’s always one in the crowd who has to be the clown. When everyone else said “why?” to a V12, AirJordan said “why not?”. An artifact of my, in hindsight, overly generous budget and cryptic design brief, the Smooth VG-12 is fast, frugal and oh so smooth… But it would bankrupt anyone who wanted to own one with high registration costs, expensive maintenance and intense insurance premiums! Oh, and the 3dr upright hatch shape didn’t do this submission any favours either, IMO.

Verdict: Maybe take it to Auto Salon but thumbs down from the VP’s of Production and Marketing!

Trueno by @Denta: 4:43.79

This is a really nice car let down solely by the use of titanium rods. The 86 is mass produced and titanium is expensive and mainly comes from Russia, so this precludes effective production schedules. The design is really nice and the car is well thought out so this choice was an unfortunate oversight. Good car!

Verdict: It could’a been a contender but it’s conrods took a dive! :joy:

Osprey Turbo by @DoctorNarfy: 4:42.79

Another contender that was let down by the use of exotic materials plus exotic building techniques! As well as a magnesium block, the Osprey has a glued aluminium chassis with FRP panels! Cutting edge, certainly, but this design isn’t mass produceable and won’t be able to supply the volumes required for worldwide consumption.

Verdict: A fresh design for Lotus to build a next-gen Elise upon.

Ramia-AE by @koolkei: 4:39.86

Oh this choice hurt, it really did. The inclusion of a magnesium block killed this car. The car is punchy, fuel efficient and I personally love the look but the VP of production was adamant: Exotic equals expensive and there’s no way around it. An excellent entry cut down before it’s time… :frowning:

Verdict: A really nice coupe; would make a great Nissan competitor once the Mag block was changed.

DSD-Tidal by @Darkshine5: 4:46.32

If koolkei’s exclusion hurt then this exclusion was agony! This crazy little coupe charmed me the moment I saw it and the combination of I3 power, AWD and smart choices made for a very cool concept. Yes, the design is a little OTT but it isn’t ugly and is a trademark of DSD design. Titanium rods and the fact that the engine was on it’s limits is what killed this design; there was no engineering headroom for turbocharging in the aftermarket and the fuel economy wasn’t great for the engine size chosen. Ironically the quirky I3, which drew me to the design, was the cause of it’s failure as an I4 or V6 would have been less stressed and wouldn’t have needed the titanium!

Verdict: Would make a great Citroen to be a left-field choice against the 86.

Marauder GT by @nialloftara: 4:39.43

The perfect example of lore getting in the way of victory! No direct injection means that Toyota is not interested in your entry, despite it’s exceptional nature, plus the V8 makes it impossible for young drivers to register or insure in markets other than the USA. This car looks excellent, was well thought out and I love that it’s lore-friendly but, since Toyota used the 86 to showcase their DI prowess, the lack of DI killed it. Maybe you could have contacted one of the DI savvy companies to make some lore to justify it’s use for this competition but as it stand; Toyota says no…

Verdict: Lore 1: Competition 0 (And that isn’t a bad thing IMO) :smile:

You’ve gone from one extreme to the other!

My advice? Look at RL cars and attempt to re-create their look in Automation. Once you get a feel for how RL companies do it, make your own designs with RL in mind and you’ll be winning fashion contests in no time!

argh I knew I should have gone with a modern 4agze bugga but good for company lore

Part III - But what about the Supra???

Toyota is bringing back the Supra and there needs to be room to allow for it. An OP Hachiroku will only make it harder to make a Supra that lives up to it’s legacy. It is indeed possible that history could be repeated with Supra becoming a nameplate within a lesser car’s model range but this competition wasn’t mean’t to reflect that. So, for the first time in CSR history… The cars that were too powerful to compete!

For the record, the cut-off was 220Kw as I took into account that Supra might potentially go head to head with GT-R and the upscaled Hachiroku being left fighting the 370Z.

Storm Knight by @Madrias: 4:37.67

The only sedan in the competition, I had a soft spot for the Knight as it nicely sums up what I’d like to do to my IS200; stick a 3L turbo in it! But, with 261Kw, the Knight was too powerful, forcing Supra to be 300Kw plus which wouldn’t be too bad except it makes the Knight too powerful for young guns and limits the market. Being a sedan is a huge plus but the extra weight would have been felt if the engine was less powerful. In the end, there were too many coupes who did more with less for the Knight to win and being too powerful sealed it’s fate. Oh, the hood scoops, IMO, look naff so put in some vents next time! :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

Verdict: Altezza Touring V anyone? :heart_eyes:

AVD Shrike by @abg7: 4:37.06

The first cheeky bugger who tried to use Bogliq Blue to (presumably) win points and it, unfortunately, didn’t work! 242Kw is 22Kw too many (220Kw was the absolute ceiling) kilowatts in this competition. I loved the inclusion of an inline six (my personal favourite engine design, lol) and the car was no slouch performance wise but too much power is just simply too much when younger drivers are concerned. Oh, the car is waayyy to chrome encrusted for a youth orientated sports coupe!

Verdict: It’d make a great 2-Series coupe; not edgy enough for today’s millenials! :laughing:

GT88 TRD by @thecarlover: 4:43.06

OMG!!! A replica of the RA28!!! Only my most favourite car ever!!! If I could have chosen based on my personal nostalgic feelings, this car would have won! Unfortunately I’m roleplaying the CEO of the largest (I know, I know, you could argue either way :smile_cat:) car company in the world so I have to have SOME rationality, lol. 227Kw, yup, 7Kw derailed this car and saw this challenge falter. I’m sorry, I loved this car and I had no choice…

Verdict: A worthy successor to the RA28’s of yore, Toyota will be keeping your submission because the CEO has stolen it!


Ah, no big deal. I wasn’t aiming to win. Plus, Storm Design Philosophy is that having extra power teaches extra responsibility, extra quickly. And I know for a fact that the AluStar V6, if you’re willing to sacrifice reliability, can make some stupid amounts of power.

Or, the ‘Supra’ version would have had the AluStar III V8. And somewhere north of 700 horsepower. Factory stock.

A Life lesson learnt at the cost of the car, and on occasion, of the life of the driver in GG’s case :joy:


The Storm Duke is somewhat an example of that. I think I left that in the “Everybody’s a Reviewer” thread, but no one’s thought to review a 1980’s AWD 750+ horsepower twin-turbocharged station wagon.


I think it’s time to go back and look at that thread.

when I get home

Also holy crap that power cutoff, so basically no more than 293.6bhp allowed. I was pushing 279, so didn’t have a lot of room there!


just 1 click killed my car…

also was mag block really an exotic material then?

In a way it still kind of is now. Manufacturing process for mag is still specialised due to its flammability, so pretty much the only major manufacturer (AFAIK) that uses it a lot is BMW, especially in 2012.

I mean other companies have flirted with magnesium block but they tended to combust… I mean the first thing that comes up if one googles “magnesium block” is either a) actual combustible aids b) reports of Mg engines catching fire.

Exactly. The only reason Storm dabbles in magnesium is because Luke’s comfortable working with the stuff, and even he doesn’t take it lightly. Specialty engines may end up with it, but for the most part, Luke sticks to aluminum alloys.

but much of it that’s older VW mag-block engines. like wouldn’t modern metallurgy make an alloy that would make it more resistant to igniting?

OK, so if I had instead capped the output at around 280 SAE bhp and used color-coded front air intakes, then the Shrike might have been cut in the next round at least instead of this one. For the sake of company lore, it would have left more room for a faster, more expensive car higher up the AVD range.

I do know there’s a paper from like 2008 proclaiming the arrival of this alloy, yes. Somebody who’s more familiar with this should probably say something, but again AFAIK that mitigates the risk of the engine igniting during use, but still doesn’t address the fact that generating the alloy and working with it is still complicated (and very temperature sensitive).

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i’ve been googling for a bit now. other than the engine block. magnesium is a pretty common material to use on other car parts. like some part of a door, in a diff, i believe i’ve also read that some chevy trucks have magnesium firewall.

and the other thing is. well, magnesium block obviously uses other alloy for the cylinder sleeves. and it’s
just as easy to produce as alumunium if not easier. and like, most alu blocks contain some amount of magnesium to make it even lighter.

from wiki

Although magnesium is about twice as expensive as aluminium, its
hot-chamber die-casting process is easier, more economical, and 40% to
50% faster than cold-chamber process required for aluminium

Non-combustible magnesium alloys :
Adding 2% of calcium by weight to magnesium alloy AM60 results in the non-combustible magnesium alloy AMCa602.
The higher oxidation reactivity of calcium causes a coat of calcium
oxide to form before magnesium ignites. The ignition temperature of the
alloy is elevated by 200–300 K. An oxygen-free atmosphere is not
necessary for machining operations.

more update:
yup modern magnesium alloy are less of a fire hazard of course. but what i mean is big block of magnesium are not a fire hazard. but powder, or molten magnesiums are. which means. you need a prolonged amount of extreme heat to first make either melt down, or vaporize, which is the big fire hazard.

Magnesium is an excellent conductor of heat, and, as a practical matter,
the entire piece must be brought to a temperature near the melting
point before ignition will occur. Normally, this will not occur unless
the solid magnesium piece is surrounded by a general conflagration from
other sources.

Care must be exercised with magnesium when it is:
· in a molten state;
· in a finely divided form, such as chips, granules, or powder;
· involved in a general conflagration.