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Sue me, see how far that gets you in court
(where’s @KLinardo when you need him)
Thats the best thing u have ever said LMFAO
edit: I claim strops entry Gryphon Gears is like the hero brand for my storyline. Even if DSD never quite gets there
fuck that made me laugh potto well done…sorry strop
Gets drug into the thread by tag.
Huh? What? Lawsuit you say? For what, exactly?
######(FWIW I’m specializing in criminal law, not civil.)
Oh, sorry, nevermind then! It’s like whenever I get asked a paediatric problem and I’m like uhh… I don’t know anything about kids…
The JHW Gulfstream. do yer damndest
MaxwellQ - JHW.zip (91.2 KB)
######Not to worry, I’m still fresh off of my basic legal education that includes civil law, and I’m pretty good with torts because of my mock trial experience, so I do understand civil law. I just much rather deal with the criminal system. Oh, and you’re both from different countries so I probably cannot help either of you anyway. #Murica!
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I contend that the element of the format itself replicated in my opinion piece does not and can not constitute intellectual property belonging to a single entity.
(Besides, there are no tangible damages here.)
######DISCLAIMER: I am not yet an attorney and, thus, not licensed in your jurisdiction. Therefore, you cannot rely on me for legal advice.
I’m happy with that. The only outcome I needed was invalidation of Potto’s premise (and not to get sued for real by anybody else, but I’ll take my chances on that).
Alright I’ll try this one out.
The JHW Gulfstream is like it’s namesake jet in that it offers it’s occupants a very comfortable commute through long distances, and that’s where the similarities end. For one, the car certainly doesn’t look like a plane, if I had to pick the closest thing it resembles, it would be a Hammerhead shark. That very long pointy front overhang just sharpens up that I really can’t see anything else. Makes for a pretty side profile though. I do wish the rest of the car was more detailed as even for a budget luxury car it looks abit unassuming, pointy front end aside.
Ride was quite smooth and supple, the car floats through most bumps effortlessly thanks to the soft setting and air suspension. Which I must say is a bold move especially in a rather lower priced segment, as these can be a nightmare to repair. Might tank resales, but if you’re not too bothered about that it offers such a comfortable ride even high end luxury cars would have trouble matching.
Interior is rather decent, what you’d expect from a mid-priced luxury car, the standard leather and wood trim combo. And with a high quality surround sound system too. The infotainment and navigation system is quick to respond and very easy to use without any of the iDrive nightmares from the early 2000s. It seems rather safe too, with airbag tags almost everywhere in the cabin. However what’s with the manual transmission? Is this intended to be a limousine? Otherwise what an odd design choice to make a luxury car driver row their own gears. A slush automatic would’ve delivered a significantly smoother drive.
The engine however is quite over worked, making 210 hp and 266nm of torque. Tests have shown that significant power increases are possible with just a higher VVL profile with almost no real loss in fuel efficiency or low end performance. Why even bother with VVL then if you’re going to use such a low alternate profile? Also an Inline 6 motor would’ve been better suited for operating smoothness, especially in a car where space constraints in the hood is a non issue. It is quite a revvy engine however, with excellent throttle response for an economy tuned V6 (and personally I’d go with a three way convertor if I were you, really saves on costs and PUs.)
Performance is quite underwhelming if I’m honest, 0-60 in 7.6 seconds and a top speed of scarcely above 130 mph will have you outrun by Samindas on the stop light. More power would do wonders for this machine, perhaps about 300? Also longer gears might help too for economy. Which is great, 26.4 mpg for a near two ton machine is nothing to scoff at. It does handle quite well though thanks to the all wheel drive and excellent suspension tuning, possessing great dynamic response for such a heavy car on very skinny tires too. The oddly equipped mechanical LSD certainly helps with handling as well.
It’s great value certainly, but with just a little bit more improvements it could certainly be a world beater.
-Great suspension tuning
-Decent interior and sound system
-Smooth engine for a V6
-Engine is really lazing about here (up the VVL)
-Manual transmission? Geared LSD? Strange choices for a luxury car
-(Meta: Excess PU, this car has more PU than my Hypero coupe)
Australian volume manufacturer Albury Motors is best known for well-built and reliable front-engined, rear-drive volume and sports cars, but in 2007 they sprung a surprise with the CMS-16 Coupe, a small mid-engined lightweight sports car designed to compete with the Lotus Elise. They took what was basically a small economy car engine, turned it into a pint-sized monster, and placed it in the back of the car for maximum effectiveness. This is a hardcore track car (albeit an affordable and economical one), no question, but it’ll deliver endless thrills on your favorite track or back road as you push your car to the limit by exploiting its incredible power density and stratospheric redline. The CMS-16 was produced until 2013 and remains a common sight at trackdays everywhere across the globe.
For the record, no mods were used in the making of this vehicle.
ahertono - Albury CMS-16.zip (94.6 KB)
From Redline Nation Magazine (RNM) [A fictional Magazine]
Reviews: 2007 Alburgy CMS-16
Author: Steve Wandle
The Albury CMS-16. A car from Albury Motors in Australia showed up at our door today. As buisy as we were, we couldn’t ignore the glaring sports car…
Because it was Bright Yellow! Everyone in the office took a look at it, mainly because it was so bright! So we got Bob, Harry, and myself over to do a simple write-up on the thing, and our first impressions were not good!
The first (and only) thing that stands out about this car is its attention-clawing color. That bright yellow is screaming out, “Look at me! I am Here! I want attention!” It’s not my, Bob, or Harry’s forte, but our editor would sure like it! Now, upon closer inspection we found the simple headlights were well placed, the front valance well designed and overall the look was very agressive. The side scoops were well molded into the curves of the body, and because it was also well molded into the body lines, we almost couldn’t find the door handle!
Edit: Here’s some pics
While the front was agressive, and the sides were a little plain, the rear just didn’t make any sence! Bob even asked out loud, “Did the designers just give up after the work on the front?” The single pair of tailights with reverse lights inside are so understated, it makes the otherwise sporty car look Fat! In the rear we have just these two little lights, a badge, and lots of body-colored empty space. Sure there’s a deffuser on the rear, but it’s body-colored so it all bends in like a bowl of soup. The huge, molded in body-color wing doesn’t help the massive empty feeling between the taillights. And there’s also some body-colored vents to help cool the Mid-mounted engine.
Mid-mounted engine? Yes you heard that right.
The mid-mouned engine happens to be an inline 4 that comes in at less than 100 cubic inches in displacement: That’s 1.6 Liters. With such a small engine, we really expect it to be something of an engineering marvel. And it may be. The inline 4 is a DOHC 16 valve motor (with 4 valves per cylinder), built in an aluminum silicon alloy. It comes with VVL and VVT. That’s some high tech stuff! We asked our engines expert to take a look at the engine, and boy is it built! She told us the engine came with a Billet Steel crank, Titanium conrods, and LF pistons! We wondered if maybe all that was for a future turbo, but it’s actually due to the high rpms this engine can see! The engine has a redline of 9200 rpms! So the next logical question was how much power?
Just shy of 200hp, from a 1.6L NA engine!
But to achieve that, the high VVL profile was a race-spec deal with a race-spec ignition timing to go with it!
So I asked the question, “What about the rest of the engine?” My answer was this: A direct injection system with a throttle per cylinder, 11.2 compression, long tubular headers with an exhaust that goes through a high flow cat and duel reverse flow mufflers. It, of course, had a bypass valve for those wot moments.
So it’s basically a race-spec engine built for high-end power. So, how does it actually do on the street?
So we took this beast of a “Sports” car onto the streets, and it is sorta drive-able. I say sorta, as I would never use this as my daily, or for long road trips. It has nice sport seats and a little touch-screen for the GPS. The 6-disk CD player is slightly better than what’s found on most premium cars right now. The safety seems very advanced… to the point of annoyance. I hate all the modern cars with their dings and beeps when the seat belt is not buckled in, and this car is no exception. At least the CMS-16 has a nicer warning tone than most.
Anyway, we got this thing onto the street, and I was immediately greeted with a gear change! The 6-speed manual constantly reminded me this is a sports car, and not anything else. While tiring to constantly row through the gears in the cities, I felt like the final gearing was slightly off. Sure 5.6 seconds to 60mph sounds good on paper, but I had to go through 3 gears to get to it, and even then I was at the redline in third! This is not helped by the narrow powerband the car has due to its race engine, as it really doesn’t take-off until 6,000rpm where the high end VVL profile takes off. Luckily the transmission was built to keep it in that power band when at wot. While I was battling the 6-speed with my hand, my back was battling the suspension on every bump.
The suspension is definitely tuned more for the track than the streets. Make no mistake about it. That’s why we are rating the comfort at a 32.3, including the sport seats and premium satnav. Even more, the brakes were so good, I would even say they were too good! In the worst part of the city drive I had to get onto a freeway, and just as I got on the traffic stopped! I instinctively went to the brake and left four huge black streaks without even trying!
So we decided to take the CMS-16 to the track to really test it’s limits. We were able to fly to Fuji Speedway and test the CMS-16 to its limit. We had a professional driver, only know by the name “Gits”, take the CMS-16 on the track and tell us- err, he wrote down for us, how it did.
It did OK
When asked for further comments, Gits wrote down this:
Brakes too grabby
So, we compaired the flying lap time Gits was able to achieve to some other cars. The Albury CMS-16 got a 2:10.16 flying lap time at Fuji Speedway. While Albury Motors has stated this car is to compete directly with the Lotus Elise, so, we got a basic Elise Sport and had Gits take that around the track to compare lap times. The Elise Sport got a flat tire.
So without a lap time to compare to, is the Albury CMS-16 better than a Lotus Elise? Maybe…
The Albury CMS-16 has 199hp and a curb weight of 2463lbs (due to the glued aluminum frame and aluminum body).
The Lotus Elise has 190hp and a curb weight of 1975lbs (with a 1.8L I4 DOHC 16 valve engine)
CMS-16 claims a 0-60mph in 5.6s and a quarter mile time of 13.98s.
Elise has a 0-60mph of 4.8s and quarter mile of 13.6s
Not a direct comparison, but Elise braking from 70mph took 162ft. The CMS-16 braking from 62mph took 104ft. This is probably due to the insanely big brakes the CMS-16 has.
Now the big question, what does an Albury CMS-16 cost compared to the Lotus Elise? Well, we were given some data from Albury, and it may shock you! They would sell the CMS-16 at production costs! That’s about $13,000 usd per car [in 2007 using the gold method] compared to the $45,000 base price of the Lotus Elise. There is no way they would make any money, let alone break even with that pricing! As Albury Motors claims to build this car in “volume” the chassis and body materials say otherwise [limited production flags]. There have been no definitive numbers given by Albury about how many CMS-16 coupes they plan to build, but, either way the material costs and manufacturing times coupled with the glued aluminum chassis and aluminum body mean this is not a mass production by any means.
Now if Albury Motors wants to make a profit, they could markup the cars from the factory say, 70%. The CMS-16 Coupe would still be very competitive in the Gasmea markets, at about $22,000 usd per car. With a 50% markup (at $19,500 usd) they would be very competitive in the Fruinia markes.
But that does not include the fees for exporting the car from Australia.
Is the Albury CMS-16 better than the Lotus Elise? Depends on who you ask. Bob and I prefer the smaller, lighter Elise over this, overly-bright beacon.
Harry is caught up in the cost differences, and our editor would love the “burn-your-eyes-yellow” CMS-16 for its color alone!
Sorry, had to wrap it up, as I got carried away with writing this review.
Edit: Added pics
Strop, this thread needs pictures, STAT!!!
Just one shot of the car so we know what is being talked about!
You have hit the nail on the head with that review. However, the CMS-16 has satnav as standard, while an Elise doesn’t, and I expect Albury to sell the cars with a markup. I should have put more effort into the rear fascia’s design, though…
As for Albury being a volume manufacturer, that only applies to anything not using a glued aluminum monocoque chassis - they’d been profitable for well over a half-century by the time the CMS-16 had been launched. Funny thing is, the engine used in the CMS-16 actually started life as an economy car engine and, for this application, was turned into a high-revving sports car powerplant. Who doesn’t love an engine with a redline of at least 9,000 rpm, especially since it’s increasingly difficult to find one on sale these days? For the record, 9,200 rpm is just 50 shy of a LaFerrari and 200 more than a 458.
Here is a car that I am working on. Working on. It is not finished, for multiple reasons. One is that I am not great at creating luxury cars so I am working on this one for a while to see what I can do. I want feedback on what I should improve. That is why I came here.
I called it the Woodley WS3.
Woodley is a Canadian luxury car manufacturer that was started in 1909, and originally made high quality metals and other materials until 1934. Woodley started to produce luxury cars and sports cars and competes with other manufacturers like Infinity, Lexus, Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Cadillac, etc.
Now how about the car? I will tell you about it. The WS3 was brought to the market in 1984. A performance version was brought out in 1987. The second generation came in 1990, and a third in 1998. The sixth generation, was introduced in 2015 as a 2016 model, and runs alongside the WS2, WS4, WS5, WS6, and WS7.
Note that I have not increased the profit in the markets tab. I have done that because I want to wait until the next update which will have more competitive cars on the market. So I will give you an estimated price of around $33 950. Again, this is a car I am working on. Not finished.
Mods used (Workshop):
- Square Stripes
- Square Ts
- Square Is
- Square Gs
- VMO’s non-jaquar XE vent
- BBS-LM-Style Rims
- Plastic and Chrome stripes
- Exhaust and lip materials combination
- Grilles and Vents materials combination
The car also has a door handle that I believe is a mod but I have been unable to find it in the workshop so I will simply post a picture here:
And here are some pictures of the car:
EDIT: I didn’t add the file… Here is is: Woodley WS3.zip (152.4 KB)
Just because we don’t need it wasn’t an instruction to not post screenshots! I would have thought people would consider, you know, presenting their car or something
Its ok, I updated my review with pics of abg7’s car
I agree with that last edit you made. My plan is to include the CST-16 in my company thread about Albury Motors, and flesh out its backstory and development as usual.