The Very Important Challenge (OPEN BETA) (winner announced)

From an article in Hyper Club Tuners IV, Issue 25: Dropped and Spread, Take it Off! circa 2004

Summer is a name you may not have heard of in the States, but you may have heard of it’s American cousins, Michigan Motors and Freedom. You remember the Michigan A450, driven by the elderly too cheap and too hip for a Buick? Back in Japan where it’s drenched in the rising sun, drifting and anime, the Summer Marxlove is actually totally insane. Sharing the same engine and most of the same parts as the Freedom Annihilator, this beast can get wickiddd sick in the corners, and is a free radical on the dyno. Check it out!
Our boys at Sand’s, (if your cool, you probably modded out your whip with some of their cool tech) have kept this car true to it’s roots as a quiet and showy performer with 35 horsepower added just from dropping in a performance intercooler. From there they totally modded out their bottom end with all forged parts, and slammed the puppy to the ground, it now rides on 20 inch three piece five spoke wheels, and sits barely more than six inches from the ground! She’s clothed in a modified Vis Racing kit, and given Black Cherry Pearl paint to differentiate it from your grandpa’s luxury sedan. It’s uniquely one of a kind! It’s radical!

Check out the screenshots below.


Oh my god I wasn’t expecting it to look that good in that map, if you want more honest screenshots ask me and I’ll edit the post.
Oh I almost forgot, since everybody else is posting before pics, I should too!!

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Geschenk Schwer GX VIP

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'01 DAITO CONTESSA V8

The big sedan of the luxury segment from Daito, tuned into a VIP style, with its 280hp 4.2L V8. With a very unique livery: Dark red and gold rims.





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'05 NMC Ironclad LX FullContact VIP Custom

Transcript of an interview from CAMBER, Season 2, Ep. 34.

– And here, at the 2009 Nagoya Auto Trend we have Amy Lee, with her bedazzling DMC Ironclad! Hello Amy, please tell us about how you got into the scene.
– Hi! I, ah, well I’ve been touching up cars since my very first one, though those were some pretty simple and garish mods, hahaha. I think I’ve come quite some ways since!
– I can see that; impressive ride you brought with you this year!
– Thank you! It’s my, hmm, sixth, no, seventh serious project car. I moved to Japan from Australia exactly twenty years ago, so I wanted something to commemorate the anniversary, and when I saw her on Gumtree we fell in love immediately. She’s of the rare LX FullContact trim, 2005 model year, which means full leather interior, all wheel drive, and the 3.6L V6 with the automatic and 175 kilowatts at the crank.
– She’s far from stock now, isn’t she?
– Oh, I didn’t have much time to work on her, so the interior is basically untouched, I only swapped the head unit for one from the later facelifted model. The engine received a new ECU and a custom exhaust system courtesy of my friend Tony and his magic welding hands. I’m considering swapping it for the six liter V8 that technically fits in there however, even though the car was never sold with that engine in this configuration. The show is all about the looks though!
– This is what they call ‘VIP style’, or ‘bippu’, correct?
– Yes! I wanted to combine the classic Aussie ute with something that’s entirely Japanese. If you take a walk around with me… You can see the new bodykit, new tail lights… custom daytime running lights… and of course the whole thing is lowered as much as possible, with a set of new rims and full camber.
– I think the bolt-on fenders might be the most divisive feature here.
– Oh, absolutely, but it’s just a look that I couldn’t resist. It’s getting a lot of attention, so I think it’s working!

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Pictures right before shipping to Japan

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REVIEWS (first 5 cars)

Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. I’m splitting this into multiple posts so I have some free time.

Zenshi Axia V8 VIP @Mikonp7

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Apologies; as I was sent this car before I said the challenge was for open beta, I only have Mikon’s own pictures to go on, but he’s been super cool and sent me pictures of its stats so I can review it.

Now onto the review:

Stylistic consistency and detail

The standard VIP affair. It’s black, slammed, has rims, and has some more power. There are some more details than usual, however, and the design is high quality in general as expected from creators like Zenshi and Mikon. Details like the TreadKillers badge on the back and the brake cooling vents stick out to me, and the bodykit is generally well done. I do dislike some of it, though, obviously, because I’m judgy and picky. There’s some spiking on the taillights, for one thing, and usually nudging the fixture around or using bumper bars can fix that issue in a jiffy. The front and rear bumper trim also suffer from some strange clipping and spiking, but that may be the body’s fault more than anything else. The Axia’s exhausts are garishly big as well, and I’m not really feeling those rims. They seem more at home on a crossover, and the gold-painted lip just doesn’t go with anything else. I would’ve also ragged on the rear taillight setup–if those orange lights are indicators, the red bit above and below them are reflectors, and the bit that crawls around to the rear quarterpanel is a brake light, the vehicle needs the side reflectors. I decided not to, though, as the brake light could double as an indicator while the orange bit could serve as the reflector. Overall, it’s well done, with good attention to detail, and it gets a 4/5.

Originality

Well, I’m not saying it’s bad, but it takes very few risks. It’s what you’d expect. It’s not a bad thing, I swear, it just looks nearly exactly like the example photos. However, it isn’t 100% the same, as the Axia used is slightly older than what you’d expect for VIP, and has unique rims, which earns it a 2/5. If you had made something identical to the examples, you’d have gotten a 0, so don’t feel bad about a 2.

Prestige

The Axia has a more than adequate 46.4 prestige, earning it a 5/5.

Comfort

The Axia’s comfort rating is good, at 38.4, earning it a 3/5.

OVERALL: 14/20

20XX Emican & Joyce Spectre 240 VIP @Fayeding_Spray


Apologies, again; it’s missing the badge out front that should be there. It wouldn’t have affected the scoring anyway, as it’s a great looker with or without the badge.

Now onto the review:

Stylistic consistency and detail

Again, it’s got a pretty stereotypical setup. Slammed, black, inconspicuous. There are some things that seem missing, though, like exhaust pipes, most of the bodykit (that’s the body’s fault, but still), and side markers. This car might look cool (and a bit more road-legal) if those LED’s wrapped around. The rims seem a bit small for VIP, too, at 15 inches, but their style fits perfectly for the futuristic look. There’s great attention to detail too, with sublte camera mirrors, flush door handles, and LED trim. Overall, it’s a solid and creative approach, and it earns a 3.5/5.

Originality

This is where the Spectre shines, with its unique cyberpunk style. Although it’s a cleaner approach than most cyberpunk, it’s definitely creative and different. An easy 4/5.

Prestige

The Spectre has an impressive 53 prestige, earning it a 5/5.

Comfort

The Spectre has a solid 47 comfort, earning it a 5/5.

OVERALL: 17.5/20

2003 Hirasawa Condor but Useless @yangx2

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Apologies, hopefully for the last time; I’m missing some mod fixtures, specifically the hood cuts and brake cooling vents. Note to self; don’t suddenly jump an open beta requirement on people and then also forget to subscribe to several mods. Also, I would’ve taken my own pictures, but those damn headlights just refused to stamp properly. Devs pls fix.

Now onto the review:

Stylistic consistency and detail

This entry sets itself apart from the other ones with an almost resto-mod look. New LED lights to replace the old bulb ones and a modern styling package, but stays pretty close to the intended VIP style. This body is a hard one to make look Japanese, and I’d say Yang succeeded. It’s not missing anything for legality as the lights all wrap around the corners. My only gripes are those little lights under the headlights–they look a bit tacky–and the sunroof, which tears a bit. Other than that though, attention to detail is strong and the car looks believable. It gets a 4/5.

Originality

It’s not extremely unique but its generally more modern styling sets it slightly apart. I’ll give it 2.5 instead of 2 just for that paint.

Prestige

The Condor just edges out the Axia with 46.5 prestige, earning it a 5/5.

Comfort

The Condor has a good 45.5 comfort, earning it a 5/5.

OVERALL: 16.5/20

1999 Kuma BC VIP @Xepy


Stylistic consistency and detail

It isn’t incredible, sure, but it has all the required reflectors and lights, and it’s clearly in the bippu style. But, there are some things that definitely stand out. The side indicators for example are a bit too modern for '99. The taillights stick out from the body a lot, and those rims are quite questionable. The bodykit is hit-or-miss; it’s got nice skirts, but the vents themselves are pretty minimal. The bottom grille, for example, is one fixture, and doesn’t really flow with the rest of the car’s lines. The only things that really detract from it though are the split in the headlights and the rims. I like the sunroof. A good 3.5/5.

Originality

It’s… not original. At all. Sorry. Black, lowered, chrome rims and trim, turbo inline 6. Pretty much exactly what you’d make if originality wasn’t a factor. Unfortunately it’s a 1/5 as the only real touch of creativity is those headlight covers.

Prestige

The BC matches the Axia at 46.4 prestige, earning it a 5/5.

Comfort

The BC has an adequate 38.5 comfort, earning it a 3/5.

OVERALL: 12.5/20

2020 Ursula F7 800T VIP @F12OM


Apologies. I have subscribed to L5’s Double Vent (4.21) but it doesn’t want to work so I used the Civic vent to supplement it. Hopefully that’s okay. They look pretty similar.

Rule breakage/binning justification

The F5 uses quality points. A lot of them. We’re talking +15 on every engine tab, +11 on drivetrain and wheels, +12 on suspension… I’m reducing all of the sliders above the maximum back down to +10 and scoring from there.
The F5 also uses 98 octane fuel. I’ve reduced it to 95 and adjusted the compression ratio accordingly.
The kicker, however, is that even with reduced quality and octane, the F5 takes an unthinkable 1451.2 months to engineer. That’s a bin, folks.

Stylistic consistency and detail

It’s got centre-lock rims off of a supercar, but no bodykit. It looks stock, honestly, but it doesn’t look all that bad regardless. It’s a pretty fixture-minimal design, but I like its face, and those white taillights look very clean. It’s what I’d call 5-fixture wonder, but it uses more than 5 fixtures so that isn’t really fair. There are a few design details I’d change pronto, though. The mirrors look too 90s, for a start. I’d expect camera mirrors (or at least something a bit more futuristic than those blobby ones you used) for a 2020 executive sedan. The light strips on the front don’t really line up with the vents, and there’s one on each side for some reason. There’s no place for the license plate to go on the back. The parking sensors are too low. The chrome trim bit on the back looks out of place. The exhausts are too small. The taillights are aligned to the surface of the car so they point outwards instead of rearwards. There’s more but they’re all nitpicks. Overall it’s unfortunately a 1/5, as it really just is not a VIP car other than the fact it’s a black sedan with powaah.

Originality

Since it’s a modern German sedan with a nearly 600 hp V10, and not a 90s Nissan, it’s a 2.5/5. Not bad.

Prestige

The F5 gets an incredible 82.7 prestige, even with its quality points neutered. That’s a 5/5.

Comfort

The F5 also boasts an insane comfort rating of 91.2. Another easy 5/5.

OVERALL: Binned for engineering time, theoretical score of 13.5

If there’s anything I didn’t pick up on/did wrong, PLEASE tell me. Next review batch tomorrow.
Edit: Next review batch maybe not March 11th… sorry, I am bad at allocating time. Hope for the 12th. Might do more than 5 to make up for it. Sorry again.

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2003 BT Motors Ceyx XHS by BTR

aka: Make a BMW 850 but it's a 2000's Japanese sportscar

A one-off special by BT Motors’ in-house tuner and racing division BTR, completely overhauling every aspect of the stock Ceyx XHS. This vehicle was used as a press car to advertise the launch of the Ceyx and was eventually auctioned off for charity in 2005 for a cool $326,000 before disappearing from the public eye. It’s current whereabouts are unknown.

Ceyx XHS in stock form


What do you mean I’m late? I’m never late.

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Oof.

Niveon Sasayakana 2.1t VIP Style @Niveon


Rule breakage/binning justification

Remember when I said the cars had to be somewhat easy to live with? Yeah, this one isn’t. Terminal oversteer is the main culprit, but the 18 mpg (from a 128hp i4 turbo), 8.5 second 0-60 time, and trim reliability score of 48 are just insult to injury. Even on a car from 1974 with a tune from 2008, I would expect something a bit less impotent. Remember: these are Wangan cruisers, not trackday sleepers that get outpaced by minivans.

Stylistic consistency and detail

Undoubtely, it’s an interesting take on the VIP style, with some noticeable attention to detail. The underglow (which works in Beam!) is a very nice touch, and even if it doesn’t quite fit the VIP checklist it’s still a cool and unique addition that must’ve taken some thought. The basketweave rims fit the car well, although they don’t scream VIP to me. Some other details, however, are slightly questionable, such as the chrome stripe on the side, the unusually thick trim, bumper bits, high-mounted front lip, and general lack of any bodykit whatsoever. The giant handles and fuel cap, the latter of which has no lock, is also a bit of an irk for me. Even the mirrors feel a bit too big, although that’s a bit of a nitpick. Overall, though, there’s an obvious attention to detail, despite its inconsistency with the VIP style, that nets it a respectable 2.5/5. 50% ain’t bad for a hatch in a VIP challenge that doesn’t really fit in the style anyway.

Originality

I should’ve expected at least one hatchback entry, considering I was the one who suggested it in the first place. The hatch approach gets it a 3/5 already, and I’ll give it an extra point for that clever underglow. 4/5.

Prestige

The Sasayakana has an “eh” prestige rating of 32.6, earning it a 2/5.

Comfort

The Sasayakana’s comfort is similarly below average, at 32 dead. That earns it another 2/5.

OVERALL: Binned for undriveability, theoretical score of 10.5

1989 Kazume 828 V6 now with a V8 @On3CherryShake


Stylistic consistency and detail

I’d say this was a job well done overall. I like the side vents, the kit is pretty solid considering the limitations of the body, and the attention to detail is nice. I really like how the chrome slats from the front grille are carried over onto the side, and I also like the rear antennae. The only things that really stick out like sore thumbs are the choice of wheels and front bumper. The wheels look stock, and the front bumper doesn’t hold up to the rest of the kit (the lip isn’t long enough.) Furthermore–call me a nitpicker all you want–but there’s some spiking and tearing on the chrome trim. I’m not sure why you didn’t just use bars instead of vents. You also forgot wipers, and that unfortunately cost .5 points when compounded with the bumper bars and strange wheel choice. 3.5/5.

Originality

I mean… it’s not a President, so it’s not a 0, but it’s not very adventurous. 1/5.

Prestige

The 828 has a decent 44.6 prestige, earning it a 4/5.

Comfort

The 828 has a similar 45.5 comfort, earning it a 5/5.

OVERALL: 13.5/20

2007 Kasai Gran Tenno @goblin95


Stylistic consistency and detail

House real big. Cars real big. Belly real big. Everything real big. Anyway, it’s a very well detailed car, actually. Almost everything just works perfectly. I especially like the trim bits on the C-pillar, roof rack, headlight wipers, and badging. Of course, it’s not perfect. The rims, for one, are a bit strange, and seem more at home on an old Power Wagon. The exhausts pipes are too small as well. Mostly, though, it’s a well-detailed SUV in VIP flavour. 4/5.

Originality

I mean, come on. It’s not a sedan but it actually works. 3/5.

Prestige

The Gran Tenno has an impressive 58.1 prestige, giving it an easy 5/5.

Comfort

The Gran Tenno boasts 68.5 comfort, another easy 5/5.

OVERALL: 17/20

1998 Summer Marxlove S Supreme Sand’stune @B1ill4Har8din1


Stylistic consistency and detail

Christ… It’s not a VIP car in the slightest. I’d say it’s closest to shakotan (maybe). I’ll give it a 1.5 though for the bodykit detail (especially that drag-style wing.)

Originality

Well… I like the possible reference to Mine’s (and Darude), but not much else. It’s like a regular VIP car that got stolen by an insane asylum patient. 1/5.

Prestige

The Marxlove’s decent prestige of 39.5, earns it a 3/5.

Comfort

The Marxlove has a competent comfort score of 44.3, earning it a 4/5.

OVERALL: 9.5/20

2000 Geschenk Schwer GX @racer126


Stylistic consistency and detail

I don’t like the front. At all. The grille and vents look stock. The rear, on the other hand, is a huge improvement. Not only is the styling pretty good, it’s also got a way better kit, but overall, the attention to detail is just okay. 3/5. Probably the only one with good rims.

Originality

It’s German and not Japanese so that’s a 1/5. Remember, a 0 would be reserved for something identical to the example images.

Prestige

The Schwer gets a surprising 49.2 prestige, earning it a 5/5.

Comfort

The Schwer gets a good 39.3 comfort score, earning it 3/5.

OVERALL: 12/20

Again, if I messed anything up, or you want to dispute scores PLEASE tell me. I’m fine with changing score if you can convince me. Next review batch tomorrow actually tho.
EDIT: …Nevermind. I should stop promising when I do things.

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Darn, and I was trying so hard to be subtle too. XD

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Obligatory Final Countdown reference.

2001 Daito Contessa @MasterDoggo


Stylistic consistency and detail

I really like the look of this one. The car’s styling screams early 2000s Japanese, and the kit is solid. Detail is good as well, with well-made lights, headlight wipers, sunroof, et cetera. The only nitpicks I could possibly have would be with the fuel cap, as it’s a bit small, and the headlights. In this era, chrome headlights were the go-to. Plastic headlights were unheard of. Everything else is pretty good, though, earning it a 4/5.

Originality

Well, other than the red paint and gold rims, it’s a mish-mash–albeit, a well done mish-mash–of the example images. 1.5/5.

Prestige

The Contessa (great name) has a very respectable prestige score of 52, earning it a 5/5.

Comfort

The Contessa’s comfort score is at an adequate 41.2, earning it a 4/5.

OVERALL: 14.5/20

2009 NMC Ironclad LX FullContact VIP Custom @MAX_POWER


Stylistic consistency and detail

Before I get to the actual design, I think I’m going to have to remind everyone what bippu is. Again.
It’s not this.
Anyway, this car is a strange case. There’s a lot of attention to detail in some places, like the bolt-on arches, headlight washers, trim, and overall design. However, other, more important bits have been done a bit wrong. First of all, utes of this calibre have V8s. It’s strange to have what I assume is not the top model used as the base of a VIP conversion, especially because VIP cars are not built for affordability. I’m not saying it has to be fast, but I doubt the highest trim of a ute would only have 6 cylinders and a 0-60 time of over 7 seconds. Secondly, the badging is very spotty. The NMC badge itself is cool and well-made, but the Ironclad badge is lazily crammed on the bumper instead of the empty void of tailgate just itching for some juicy chrome lettering. Furthermore, I doubt any premium ute in 2009 would be advertising EFI or quad cams. Serving as the cherry on top is the placement of the fuel cap, an hour’s bus ride from where the tank would be. I assume it’s on strike because this 132 mph monster gets 16 mpg.
On the whole it’s a good attempt–with some slight lore, even–but falls short where it counts. 1.5/5.

Originality

A VIP ute is definitely a new approach to the scene, and one I wasn’t expecting. 4/5.

Prestige

The Ironclad gets an impressive 55 prestige, earning it a 5/5.

Comfort

The Ironclad has an even more impressive 58.1 comfort, earning it a 5/5.

OVERALL: 16/20

2002 Trity Privateer VIP @LS-Vehicles

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Unfortunately this vehicle exported without morphs and the intricate bumper bar detailing was ruined if I tried to restore the morphs, so I had to use LS’ own images.

Stylistic consistency and detail

For some reason, this car has bumper bars to change the size of the rear window, and although it messes up the reflections, I’ll chalk it up as a valiant effort regardless. Now onto the bad parts;
I’m really not feeling the custom lights at all (too modern!), nor do I like the choice of wheels. Like I said before, the window reduction surgery went very badly. Details, however, are respectable, with a very well done kit and good overall design. Despite the plastic trim on the edges of the kit (whyy), it’s a solid 3/5.

Originality

The Privateer’s slightly unique approach to VIP is interesting, with a 6.6 liter V8, decidedly American styling, and reshaped windows. A pretty good 2/5, considering this is still a lowered sedan.

Prestige

The Privateer’s above average prestige of 49.2 nets it a 5/5.

Comfort

The Privateer gets a comfort rating of 39.3, giving it a 3/5.

OVERALL: 13/20

2003 BT Motors Ceyx @EddyBT


Stylistic consistency and detail

It’s called the “sex” for a reason. Although it seems really similar to the Privateer at a glance, it’s actually a lot more extreme. I’d say it’s a very attractive custom, but strays really far from the VIP style. Safe to say those enormous lips are not standard-issue at Wald headquarters. Anyway, detail is just OK. There’s no real sideskirts, which kinda makes the car look gutless on the sides compared to the ch0nky front and rear. It lacks badges, which is a big no-no, but general detail is good. 2.5/5.

Originality

It’s not black, and it’s not got the traditional VIP style, so for attempting to take it to the extreme, I’ll give it a 1.5/5.

Prestige

The Ceyx’s has a very good prestige of 53.7, earning it a 5/5.

Comfort

The Ceyx has 55 comfort, earning it a 5/5.

OVERALL: 14/20

@Kogure’s car will have to wait as I have to go to bed now (no more PC after like 10:25 pm, 15 year old problems). I may or may not have forgotten about it until I was midway through this post since he sent it in through Discord, even though he did post in the topic, so I should have known. Soz my dude.

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Fair assessment of the Ironclad, I’m always happy when someone takes their time to give me a such detailed feedback on the design, thank you for your time and effort! Bippu style is definitely something new to me, so I didn’t expect to hit the mark right away. I’m still very happy with how both versions of the car came out, and a creative challenge like this was great exercise. Hats off!

As a footnote however I’d like to point out, that according to my (admittedly cursory, correct me if I’m wrong) research, the Holden Commodore VZ, the obvious yardstick, had a pretty spotty engine selection, and specifically the two-door AWD variant only came with the Alloytec V6. Amy should definitely swap the whole thing for a six liter V8 of course, and given time she will, I just personally wanted an approach that was a little bit different, a bit constrained by time and available trims. The fuel economy also isn’t far from the appropriate Holden - hard to find accurate figures, but the Cross 6 was a thirsty car with 12 to 14 liters combined per 100 km, and the custom ECU doesn’t help the Ironclad.

I also blame Holden for the fuel cap.

THE FINAL REVIEW

1993 Arion Arargte @Kogure


(I increased the offset in the pictures. Tucked-in wheels bother me.)

Rule breakage/binning justification

The Arargte takes 57 years to engineer, which means it would have been conceptualized in the 30s. I understand that this is a custom job, not a production car, but I still did outline in the OP that outrageous engineering times would be grounds for binnage, and unfortunately, that is the case here.

Stylistic consistency and detail

The Arargte has a unique look, sporting a strangely morphed roofline that somehow works very well. Details are plentiful, but a few don’t make sense, like the quad door locks, single wiper, and floating badging, but the rest is great. Body limitations give the Arargte a gutless side as well, but since the rest of the kit isn’t as extreme as the Ceyx, which uses the same car, it’s more understated. Other than that, the kit is solid, and the rest of the car (even the choice of rims, which are one of the best choices in this challenge considering our thin pickings) is period-correct as well. The lack of front sidemarkers is a really minor nitpick, but it’s there. But overall, even though it looks slightly sparse in the front, it’s a great design, and very consistent with the VIP style. I really like how Kogure listed all the parts and their brands. Great attention to detail. 4/5.

Originality

As with the Contessa, it looks pretty normal, but the similarities end when you look under the hood and bask your eyes on a 9 liter V16. I’m not sure which divine being died to allow this to happen, but I think it was worth it. For a black 90s sedan, a 3/5 is great.

Prestige

The Arargte gets an insane 92.7 prestige, earning it an almost trivial 5/5.

Comfort

The Arargte’s comfort score is also through the roof, at 85.3. Another obvious 5/5.

OVERALL: Binned for engineering time, theoretical score of 17/20

That makes our winner…

@Fayeding_Spray and the 20XX Emican & Joyce Spectre 240 VIP

Congrats, you get bragging rights.

Next challenge is 2006 hot hatch, starting tomorrow. Should be easy as I have the 2 coming weeks free. Spring break. Yeet.
EDIT: I’ll try and get that hot hatch challenge going someday, but no promises. I seem to have some unaccounted for spring break homework.

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Huh, what do you mean I missed the point of Bippu? I don’t know what you’re talking about

In all seriousness, I enjoyed your writing and the challenge was fun overall. I’m looking forward to your next one!

Also, I was under the impression that debadging was a VIP thing, but I guess I was wrong. Side skirts as well were a limitation of the body, the damn thing refused every single attempt I threw at it to add bigger side skirts.

Oh wait what the fuck, I won?

Damn. GG all, and good luck going forward.

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