Tiny is mighty (Closed, review in progress!)

We back so soon?

Yes, it is I and with another challenge for y’all!

It’s the 90s, and there has been a surge of small sport cars coming out that fall into a specific category for tax reasons! Some of these cars have became icons with their tiny engines that prioritize fun, over anything else! As if they were motorbikes with 4 wheels…

Today, join me, on “Brake line”, the motoring show of Fruinia is, as we review some of these legends… After
A few words from our sponsors…

Rules

  • Stable version of the game
  • Max engine displacement of 1 liter
  • maximum of premium unleaded gas (95 Ron)
  • Meets WES 7 regulation
  • Turbo charging the engine applies a 1.3 multiplier to engine capacity, (max displacement with turbo comes to 769cc)
  • 2.4m wheelbase (It’s not rounded up, meaning if the WB is 2.49 it will still be fine)
  • You may use any body from any year, but model of the cars have to be from 1985-1999
  • 50mil tech pool with no negative scores
  • No legacy bodies
  • No race parts (Billet Aluminum id consider a race part)
  • Medium compound tyres only (if you don’t submityour car with it, I’ll just change it myself, and you’d probably suffer with an unoptimized tune)
  • Minimum Quality of - 3
  • safety minimum score of 28
  • price limit of 15k, hard limit of 20k (Passing the soft limit will give you a -5 penalty, and hard limit -20 penalty to your final score)
  • Reliability minimum of 70
  • Fiberglass body panel has (-500$) from price

Priority points

3 Stars :star::star::star:

  • Sportiness score
  • Drivability
  • looks and realism (Dependent on the year chosen)

2 Stars :star::star:

  • performance (Score will be calculated based on braking distance and cornering G mainly)
  • Price

1 star :star:

  • service cost
  • fuel consumption
  • Reliability

Submissions

You have until September 16th 12pm MT

Your submission’s family name must be TIM - (forum name)

Resubmissions allowed, on same posts.

Interiors are not required but encouraged for a +5 bonus score.

References

Conventional

Self explanatory





non Conventional

These are some ideas to open a new approach.

  • What if Mini got a overhauled new design for 90s to compete with Golf GTI
  • A SUV kei car with a rally focus?
  • Design experimental limited edition of some cars?

    These are not what i’m asking of you to make, it’s just examples of what can also apply for this challenge.

Change log

  • Updated references to expand on the challenge’s prompt.

  • Added to rules

  • Added reliablity to priorities

  • Added fuel restrictions

  • Added tyre restrictions

  • Banned race parts

  • Limited negative value for quality and techpool

  • Added WES 7 Requirement

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For the wheel base, does any value in 2.4m count or is the maximum 2.4m? For example I have a car that’s 2.46m, am I allowed to use that? If so, maybe maximum wheelbase should not exceed 2.5m? Could add a bit more variety aswell

With the maximum displacement akin to Kei Car regulations, I’d definitely advise having a lenient but reasonable max wheelbase sat at ~2.4m or ~2.35m, definitely needs comparison to the bodies in game as some are Kei sized but not necessarily Kei regulation, just near enough or below.

I understand the idea is for “Kei Sports Cars”, but what if the capacity limit was boosted to maybe sub-1L? So 1000cc or less which is still well within the realm of ‘motorbike on 4 wheels’, especially since a) it could be entirely possible for some of these cars to have used an altered motorbike engine, b) you see evidence of manufacturers using larger engines in their kei cars for export markets (which would make sense in my personal opinion if you wanted to try and make a more profitable car for more markets), and c) to try to have more variety in submissions if someone wanted to do ‘european’ or ‘american’ cars but the engine size could feel like it restricts it to ‘asian’ (even if a Kei legal Caterham was attempted).

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the baby will get babier

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While a lot of kei cars were NA, some of them did have turbo options. Especially the more sportier models. If the max cc is increased to 1000 should there be a turbo multiplayer (1.3 * X for example)? So a 700 cc engine with a turbo is considered a 910 cc engine. And then would there be limitations to turbo size, maximum bar allowed etc

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Why is upfront cost listed as a judging criterion twice? It doesn’t make sense; it should be either a 2-star or 3-star priority, but not both.

My mistake, it was a two star priority

Interesting idea, I’ll be fiddling to see what bodies and engines will be possible for it, but I will keep this in mind…

I mean I’m open to increasing the engine size limit, I’ll let you know if it changed

I know small bodies are rare for automation that’s why I went with just a wheelbase instead of exact dimensions regulations, so yeah, I might even ease up on it a bit more. Just add for priority that we’re looking for Kei inspired cars mainly. As it’s the judging criteria.

I will clarify this in prompt later but yeah, hard limit is, 2.5m

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An excellent point, but I would suspect power density may play a role in how much boost someone is willing to shove into a 660cc engine.

@AKA_NOBUDDY , would reliability be a worthwhile priority? Maybe not top since these are sports cars, but as a 2 or 1 star one?

I was planning on having reliability have a minimum requirement, but I might also add it as a one star priority.

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Couple of questions/remarks:

  • Since we are talking about kei cars, do all the official requirements of a kei car apply, as in dimension limitations, max 660 cc engine with 64 hp, etc…
  • I don’t get why fuel consumption is only a 1 star priority, given that these cars are meant to be fuel economic whilst staying fun
  • Is it on the stable version or can we add some superchargers (which would be pretty fun to do)

This is a simplified version of those rules, Sadly automation doesn’t offer a lot of bodies or freedom in kei car designs in terms of bodies, Think of it as a alternate universe kei cars with looser regulations.

I mean they are meant to be sporty version of economical cars, it’s one star because it has to be marginally worse than the competition to actually be considered as a negative to the car.

I was planning to keep it on stable because people like that more. If people want otherwise, lemme know.

So no Hp limit at all?

Change log

  • Updated references to expand on the challenge’s prompt.
  • Added to rules
  • Added reliablity to priorities

May I suggest no negative techpool, no negative quality, and a minor realism check to stop some cheesemobiles from showing up? Not sure that a kei car from the 90s would have full active suspension components or ESC.

I I clouded realism as a 3 star priority, I might put a cap on minus quality and tp, because I can believe se corners were cut to achieve some stuff… I made that do that…

What I’m trying to say is that I won’t ban negative quality and tp, but limit it

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