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#42

Euro market (at least until the 90s) was very predominantly a market with sub 2L, inline 4 engines, with the 2l being already the upper end of the midsize segment.

Anything over 2l/180 inches would have been full size / midsize luxury.

Germany was a bit specific, but even there you had small displacements. The low-end Mercedes C series (or BMW 5 series) were the bulk of the Euro market, with the higher end engines made almost exclusively for the US market (and also the numerous US military present in Germany at the time, which also explain why there is somewhat of a market for Camaros and Mustangs)

The main reasons were the taxes. France and Italy had a “luxury tax”, which implied a steep increase for anything over 2000 cc - which is the reason why you’ll find, for instance, a domestic-market only “Ferrari 208 GTB”, for instance, with a turbocharged 2 liters V8 (!) instead of the 3 liters V8 of the Ferrari 308.

You’ll also find somewhat the same specifics in Japan, with not only the famed Kei Cars but also a lot of sub-2000 cars, intended for domestic market, with the larger displacements targeted specifically for the US.

With the 80’s deregulation, most of the tax incentives to go small disappeared, and you had a blossoming of V6 in the high ends in France and Italy, as well as a developpment of the V8 and even V12 in German cars, from the late 80s up to the late 00s (where we entered the downsizing era)


#43

Volvo 850 T5R had a 5 cyl 2.0t engine only for the Italian and Japanese? markets.
All other got a “2.5 liter” (2435cc)


#44

Learning my lesson, I put into a Euro challenge, with a Euro-sized engine. More like this is a cheap knockoff if you will; seems to be a common theme with my Giusseppe brand…GS - Roadster Clone Clone.car (31.4 KB)
GS - Roadster Clone.car (31.4 KB)
Nonetheless (and I cannot remember which is which), I built one with an American Spec M3 engine. Both came out around the same price, same amount of production units (within a couple thousand dollars).


I like the front, I swear I did this design before, with a better profile view, and I’m not entirely happy with the rear; I tried to do something, but I’m not too skilled at it apparently.


#45

In 1993 the 190/C-class was the smallest Mercedes available.
And the 2 litre engine in the V70 is mostly for markets where cars are taxed after engine size. V70s sold in Sweden, for example, have the 2.4 litre.


#46

I feel like you need to maybe learn a lesson or two in Design Consistency and Era Accuracy.

The Front and rear don’t seem to be from the same car, there’s no consistency. The front looks late 80’s, and the back looks modern. Those wheels are a tad big for 2001, too. It looks like it’s a 1980’s concept front wedged onto a 2010’s retro concept’s back.


#47

I looked at the car.
From from a technical point there are only 2 big problems:
Steel for the Chassis (Heavy and rusts)
Fullclad (Not again…)

The problem here is the design and the idea of the car itself.
The design combined three different design times: The front is from the early 90’s , the sides from 2000ish and the back is 2010+.

Also the engine is just a weird concept. 2L of Turbo i4 ? What is this? A japanese Hatchback ? Its just weird for the size of this body. You could have probally saved money by using a cheap V8 instead of this expensive I4.

For testing i used a V8 60° with 4L
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Welp

And this engine uses easier parts and produces 270hp/500NM

Oh by the way. A Roadster is normally a 2 door convertible and there are multiple ways of making a closed top an open :

Using some badgeplates :

Using some bumpers to simulate seams:

or both !


#48

I don’t know if you remember the 80s/early 90s, but they used to sell these plastic body kits to put on your Pontiac Fiero, that made it look like a Ferrari, or Lamborghini.

I haven’t completely fleshed out the lore of this company, but essentially it’s my euro brand. I made a M3 clone, and got roasted for such a large engine in European round. I made a version of this with my M3 engine (since the budget was higher), but instead submitted a ‘tax friendly’ 2.0 liter; this was included with the ad, as well as the disclaimer (in fine print of course). Essentially this brand has become a cheap knockoff.
As far as the lights, I see what you and vri404 were saying. I thought it made it look ‘exotic-ish’, but it definitely did not work, and especially since it got instabinned. I really like that you used the bumper bars to infer the pop-top (like in the kee engine version) I wish I had thought of that.
Thank you for the constructive input.


#49

It looks blank
I’m still working on this, so I’m not uploading the car. But I’ve made a “super” car, that for purposes of the challenge is cheap, gets good gas mileage, and goes 200 mph (in this case, exactly).
It’s got multiple problems, that I’m trying to still fine tune, such as it tops out at 200.0 MPH, and has a 60 time of 3.5 seconds. The more I tinker with it, the more off kilter it gets (It started at 3.1 seconds but didn’t top 200 mph, I had it down to 3.0 seconds, but it only got 22 mpg, etc.)
The problems I want help with, is 1) this front end looks blank. I can’t really find a grille I like. and 2) Which color is more appropriate for a mid 00s super-car. I would be inclined to say red, but I personally find that boring. In Midnight Club, I used to always paint my cars gold, but some folks find that offensive.


#50

I paint all my cars blue. Some find that offensive, no doubt, but I like it so… Haters gonna hate?

Just repaint your competition cars in a more neutral hue if you’re worried about offending anyone!


#51

For the Generations lore challenge, I created this limo, thanks to Corvette6317’s mod. It’s been a dream of mine since 4th grade. However, I already submitted a gas sucker the previous round, so I kept in in my back pocket.


Virgo - Limousine.car (25.5 KB)

So that’s nothing new. I submitted pretty much the same sentiment on my company lore thread. I brought it here to talk about some things I’ve done with this model since. In CSR76, DoritoDorito asked for a car, under $10k that was comfortable, easy to drive, and if it could not carry 3000 liters of cargo, it should carry 1000 liters and tow 1000 kg. I stripped down all of the luxury features, took out a row of seats, and put a smaller inline 6, and voila!

Stretched out completely with only 2 rows of seats, the limo can handle 1197 liters of cargo. The rear deck strangely has 66 kg of downforce; something that I’ve not gotten on other models. With no added safety, the limousine has a base safety rating of 30, which keeps it viable in most regions in the game, until the 1990s; also unprecedented.

Still, I was torn. I created 6 different cars with about a dozen different powertrains: A version of the Porter van seen near the top of this thread, the Vanagon that the others were using, a G-body wagon, thecarlover’s Bronco mod, and what I ultimately submitted, the Suburban.


#52

I know it’s the early 1970s man, but come on!
So, I’m making a car for the fuel crisis. I don’t want it to be crazy uncomfortable, but you know, lore states that these cars were as plain jane AF. So I figure, I guess dealers could add their own options, they used to do that. What’s more 1970s than just about anything else? An eight track player! Seems to work, it drive comfort from a low 4 to a mid 10. Only thing is, this sucker weighs 62.7 kgs, 135 pounds. What’s worse, it adds nearly $900 to my material cost, and nearly $1400 to the final price tag. Further, it sacks my fuel economy and reliability to downright crap; which is not mentioning that now I have to add some brake back to it. OOF!


#53

8 tracks weren’t actually standard on many vehicles, short of luxobarges. Even then, not often. Though they were often available as options, usually dealer-installed. Honestly, most middle-of-the-road cars had an AM radio with a single 4" or 4x6" speaker in the dash. An FM tuner and two speakers was ballin’ back then.


#54

Yeah, I get that. I was just trying to give my eco box a little creature comfort


#55

I’ve dubbed this car the Shoveit, for allusory purposes, but I’m sure if it had been finished, I would have come up with a classier, more marketable name. I wrote the lore on my Pegasus brand, before boxer engines were available, but I’m not sure without the proper retcon, anyone would get it; because the Pegasus Courier and Porter, are knock offs of VW Beetle and VW bus respectively, to the extreme of the Ford Model T. When I decided to put a box 4 in this car, rather than a straight 4, its sportiness went from 0 to 10. None of the cars I’ve described have ever been considered sporty, except the Super-Beetle

This was to be my entry to CSR81. I wanted a realistic story line that goes with the simplicity message of original lore. I just could not get it to my satisfaction. The file linked, would be a base model. Much like its real life inspiration, it would feature very little in creature comforts, and only 2 seats. Because the rules of the CSR, I concocted a story line, where the dealer added in all these options, but a dealer has to work a downright miracle to make this car comfortable.

Yes, I used a solid rear axle. I thought it’d be realistic. Even upgrading interior from Basic to Standard, with an AM radio, made it barely bearable (although as noted above, somehow an 8 track made a world of difference) Anything I tried, drove up the budget, and drove down the fuel economy (which really wasn’t that good at only 26 mpg)

Anyway, I spent too long fiddling with it, and it never got finished.

Pegasus - Shoveit.car (19.9 KB)


#56

This was one of my creations. I started with a body that sort of looks like the 5th gen Camaro/Trans Am. I also put my Euro-spec M3 inspired engine in it; then I made a variant with a Lotus Carlton inspired engine (having never seen one in real life, I had to Wikipedia it). I got the HP numbers down, but the Torque is well short. Both engines got terrible MPGs, and it didn’t really matter which one I used, acceleration was about the same (Top speed was better with the 3.6) I couldn’t really think of a high end, lux, GT model that would be similar to this (I thought maybe the XK, but this would have been too early for that). I’ve included the .car file for the 3.6 version.

Model 1 - Trim 2 Clone Clone.car (24.1 KB)

I used a design for my M3 inspired car, even though this predates that design by 2 years. I tried turbo charging the 3.0 liter I-6, but all that did was sabotage the reliability, and improve the MPGs a little. I didn’t think it was really worth it, so I scrapped that, and went instead with a NA 5 liters V12. I also played with the lights, since I’ve never really done that before. Included are the original 3.0, and the submitted 5.0.

CSR82-UndercoverHardwareman - GThree Real.car (32.9 KB)
CSR82-UndercoverHardwareman - G5 by Giusseppe.car (33.6 KB)


#57

All right. So I wanted to do something different for this one. Mostly since my first thought was to create a toyota celica supra-like vehicle, but that was already done. I wanted to do a fiero/mr2 like vehicle, but couldn’t make it driveable without staggering the wheels; plus the annual service costs were horrendous. I designed a Civic Si type vehicle, but I’m not sure that’s what I want to represent my brand. This was my alternate entry. I couldn’t get it to the minimum mandated speed of 180 km/h though, so I thought I’d leave it here.


CSR83-UndercoverHardwareman - Nagoya Sparrow Kei.car (20.6 KB)

Edit
I went back into this, to find that the overall length of the car, despite my shortening all the morphs, is 3.91 m; meaning technically not a Kei car, because of that overhang. But still, you could imagine.