The Car Shopping Round (Round 64): Tears in Heaven

Guys after reviewing my schedule for next week or so, not even blurbs can not be squeezed into. So I’m very sorry but hosting duties goes further down the line => @strop @gridghost or someone from top 5 who did not host yet.

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wait . i DID submit mine? lol i couldn’t found it in my message box, so i thought i forgot to submit it

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@gridghost has not hosted (or won) any CSR rounds yet. Although this is the second round in a row where the winner was unable to host the next round, I am fine with this situation occurring.

@Gridghost is the next host in line then, as strop opted out on hosting in his entry.

Actually what you said does have me asking of everybody in general: do people think that it’s a problem that hosting is frequently being passed along, or does this work?

Personally I don’t care who hosts, and don’t feel that not being able to host should discourage one from entering. But you’re absolutely free to disagree.

Personally I feel that everyone that enters should have a round in preparation regardless of whether they can host it or not.

I understand that RL (exams/family/winning the lottery/…etc) gets in the way of fun but surely we should be prepared?

I had a round planned, Granny Mover, but * censored because this comment may cause dissent and we don’t want to appear bitter…again * and so I ran it as an additional challenge. I have another one already planned on the off chance that I won. If someone ran a round very similar to mine [spoiler](then you’re a bit sad :smiley: )[/spoiler] then I’d have a rethink so that I am prepared.

As I said, in the first word, this is my personal opinion.

Personally I’d like to keep hosting completely optional. Yes, it’s a bother that the transitions are a bit rough, but having an unmotivated host or a host without any time would kill the fun in this competition due to long waits and little effort into the reviews. As long as there are plenty of volunteers it should be fine as is in my opinion.

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CSR - Round 40 - The Celebration of the ATT

It’s late '94 and the celebration the 50th anniversary of the Automation Test track comes in the form of a 24 h endurance race set in may -96.
The team at JET-racing (John, Eric and Tom) are looking for a car to enter, and approaches you with the list of things they want.

John (the engineer/mechanic) are mostly into straight engines (I4’s and I6 mainly) and prefers robust and durable things thats easy to maintain and service, though he likes a challenge if it’s worth his while. No too fond of V-engines tho.

Eric (the aggressive driver/ setup specialist) likes to throw the car around and likes hight sportiness, aggressive setups and good handling. And good looks. Dislikes hatches tho, and prefers coupes.

Tom (the manager/ second driver) likes safety and good handling in the car and is pretty worried about the economy, so he likes to buy a sensible/balanced car.

They all want the car to be somewhat comfortable to drive as 24h behind the wheel is a long time. And it has to be reliable and able cope with the strain of a 24h race and resonably fast around the Automation Test track (somewhere below 2:20 would be a good place for us to start tweaking).

The requirements for entering the race:
Trim: 85-95
Engine-placement: Front
Drivetrain: Any
Engine: up to 2.5 l (2500cc) turbocharged
Engine-type: Any (though I4 or I6 is preferred by the team)
Fuel: Premium unleaded (95 RON)
Cannot exceed 20.0 l/ 100km fuel consumption
No CNC/exotic/limited/race materials (yeah, no semislicks…)
One wing, two lips and undertray are allowed
At least basic entertainment (translates to com-radio to pits and other gadgets and doh-dahs)
At least basic Safety (strengthened chassis and a rollcage)
Minimum weight: 1150 kg

As the race is just one year and change away, you are limited to 130 engineering units (time) shared between the trim and the engine (If you add the engineering time in the last of the Enginetabs and the engineering time of the Detailed stats, it cannot exceed 130 units) as one month is cut for Q/A. The team wants the car at least some months in advance to get to know it and test it around track and tweak it to their liking.

Budget is limited to 20.000 @ 0% markup, cheaper is better.

Naming convention:
Model: CSR 40 - Username
Trim: Manufacturer name - Car name
Engine Family: CSR 40 - Username
Engine Trim: Engine name

ADDS REQUIRED!

DEADLINE: 12th may @ 12 GMT

As for the questions regarding “why no raceparts…” Its meant to reflect a TouringCar type endurance race
As for the question “why no slicks” Hard, Medium and Sports seems to more balanced and gives more choice (look at it as hard, medium and soft R-tires)
I’ll judge the fuelburn from the economy numbers in the Detail Stats > Economy tab
Negative sliders are allowed, but as with all else, sensibility, durability and balance is also factors. Shoddy materials makes for shoddy cars.
Forged stuff are ok.
Cats are required, it’s 95 for guh’s sake.

Good luck! And if you have any questions, ask!

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Are there any restrictions on drivetrain type (FWD, RWD, AWD)? And by 2.5 liters, do you mean exactly 2500cc? Also, I don’t think anything requiring a CNC shop will be allowed at all.

Will there be an upper limit on production units as well for the engine and trim? It would be nice to know this value beforehand.

Anyway, having read the rule set for CSR40, I will have to prepare myself for some turbo mayhem!

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All drivetrains are allowed, tho it may induce higher engineeringcosts and maintenance and as such be unfavorable.

If you add the engineering time in the last of the Enginetabs and the engineering time of the Detailed stats, it cannot exceed 130. You may have an 80/50 or 65/65 split, as long as it’s sensible.

No limit on produciton units.

And for CNC-shop requirements, i’ll add it to the list. Thnx for the heads-up

hey, this seems kinda familiar…:wink:

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Ya, as i said back then, i’ve had something similiar to your ATT challenge in mind for a while, but haven’t gotten around to it. Now i can use the idea here instead, just twist it a tad :wink:

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Wait…no amateur track tyres allowed for a full blown race car? Seems a bit odd to me, but sure. :joy:

Seems like there’ll be a lot of inline 6 RR cars. Aren’t V engines already penalised with the engineering time? I’ll have to look it up when I’m back home.

EDIT: is tyre wear a factor?

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We are to make a one off racing car. Why can’t we have limited production parts or racing parts? Those are designed to work in limited production cars and racing cars.

It seems weird they aren’t allowed.

As for the 110 ET limit, without opening the game it seems low to me, have you made test cars to check if it is doable?

@Dragawn Tyrewear is counted into the sensibility/balancefactor. Cost vs Gain (so excessive camber is not really favorable)

And I6/RR cars will not even be considered as the competition is for Frontengine/Any drivetrain… Rear or Mid-engine are out of scope.

@Leonardo9613 Ah, right… I wrote this up at work after a draft for 80’s cars so i may have to reconsider the Engineeringtimelimit, i’ll check in a couple of hours.

And for the no raceparts etc… It’s meant to reflect a TouringCar-type endurance race where even small teams such as JET-racing can compete in a sensible manner without going broke.

And the no slicks portions is there because slicks is so much better at racing then the others (i know its a contradiction, but stay with me), while Hard, Medium and Sports are somewhat more balanced and gives the builder more options… Say It represents hard, medium and soft R-tires instead. It still an even playingfield.

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Looks at his CSR 39 Entry mhhhhhh

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I’ve updated the Engineeringtime to 130, as 110 was a tad low for a turboed touringcar.

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How will fuel burn be calculated or judged?

EDIT: are negative sliders allowed?

Is there any benefit to using a trim year besides 1995?

Less weight I think