Congrats sebesseg! 
I really did something wrong. Where did I place Asdren?
The wait paid off and I actually won something! Woohoo! Thank you to Asdren, Iām glad to hear the Cefiro caught your eye!
Also good job to my fellow competitors, I hope you are all ready for the next round!
Now so far weāve made relatively newā¦ātameā cars. While I did have my eye on something similar I figure Iād go back a little with some more room to work with. I know this may not satisfy the itch for everyone, but I hope you enjoy it nonetheless. I have the ruleset ready to goā¦
BEFORE THAT THOUGH. Iām not opted into the Open Beta. Iām not against opting in if the majority are in favor of doing so, but Iād like some input before moving forward. Do we make this competition now for those in the Open Beta or do we keep it at the latest stable version?
I donāt mean to delay, but I think this is a required consideration since the update was released during the previous round and I know some people have already opted in and may not wish to opt out.
Iām in the beta, so I would prefer that to be used, but I would be willing to make a car in the public release if thatās whatās ultimately preferred.
^same vote here. i would get a car build in public release EVENTUALLY, but itās a hassle
FWD+inline 4+muscle car= bad combination?
i thought and at least tried to prove that wrong.
it just seems that either V6 or a V8 still is the king on a muscle car isnāt it?
This is a pertinent question. The rules of starting the new round are suspended until we have some kind of consensus!
Iād prefer to stay in Beta (the new bodies are good and Iām reluctant to let those go). However, if itās decided to be public release, Iāll have no problem with stepping back.
Open Beta for me please!
Ah, so close, and yet so far! 
Big congrats to Sebesseg. And by the way, the rear end of the Cefiro is absolutley stunning, so classy!
Congrats to Sebesseg!
Maybe because I was thinking more cylinders are better, I ended up deciding to put a V engine with many cylinders in things that arenāt really suitable in all of my entry to the competitions, but the Open Beta was a nail in the coffin to that policy. Iād happily accept Open beta, but Iām good with changing back to the public release.
Really thought that I made the right car this time but damn you guys are really good. Congrats Sebsseb!
I would say open B but also have no problem going back.
[quote=ākoolkeiā]^same vote here. i would get a car build in public release EVENTUALLY, but itās a hassle
FWD+inline 4+muscle car= bad combination?
i thought and at least tried to prove that wrong.
it just seems that either V6 or a V8 still is the king on a muscle car isnāt it?[/quote]
Some would even argue that a V6 isnāt right for a muscle car. RWD V8 is a ārealā muscle car, V6 is only recent to have a cheap base model thatās better on gas.
Thereās only one real way to make an FF i4 āmuscleā competitor, and that is, build something like a Honda Integra 
well mine has a really good cornering, and comfortable.
i may literally just made a better mustang ecosport.
as for the integra, you donāt simply built a legend as good as that
I havenāt done any ranking, because ranking 17 entries on subjective criterias would have been quite difficult for me.
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I havenāt done any ranking, because ranking 17 entries on subjective criterias would have been quite difficult for me.[/quote]
Yea, it probably would. I probably was near last though. 
According to the Miriam Webster dictionary:
āany of a group of American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving.ā
Doesnāt say RWD, doesnāt say V8.
Howeverā¦
I have heard a million times that a āTRUEā Muscle Car has a V8 and RWD.
So I guess a 400HP Turbo I4 RWD American Coupe is not a muscle car in this definition, nor is an AWD V8.
That being said, how powerful was his V8? Was it designed for āhigh-performance driving?ā Whatever that vague statement means =D
But can we trust the dictionary? This is their definition of a ricer:
āa kitchen utensil in which soft foods are pressed through a perforated container to produce stringsā
I donāt see how a poorly tuned Civic is defined by thisā¦
Okay, Iām done trolling nowā¦
Ready for the next competition!
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Had to be done. Also, precisely my point
Back to the original point: this discussion over whether a car might be technically ābetterā or superior in key quantifiable aspects yet lose out because it failed to conform to certain preferences is the key to the premise of this thread itself. Automation does go quite a way to quantifying desirability with a range of metrics, and in Muscle, particularly, it does put some weight on being RWD (but not very much weight, which is why in Automation terms, you can buildā¦ a Honda Integra, and it will outperform the existing vanilla competitor pack i.e. steal customers who want a Muscle car, which is precisely the desired result). Thatās why I said it would be useful for us if we posted the screen shots of the market tab along with everything else: it shouldnāt sway oneās personal decision, but it will give us a little pool of points of comparison as to how we personally stack up as customers, against the Automation desirability measure.
well, irl the ecosport mustang is somewhat-a-muscle-car. and itās really not bad at doing that.
and i believe that my approach is still at least acceptable. but in the end, we are catering to our customerās unknown-to-us taste.
and that i think is fair enough.
but on the other hand, i do not agree with the market tab being helpful here, at least not fully. itās measuring desirability to a certain category in a general market.
and we are trying to cater to a single person preferences, not a category of a market. itās possible the preference of this said person is between 2 market in-game, and excelling in one market according to the gameās calculation, might not be up to the competitions standards.
and your example, the honda integra stealing potential customers who wanted a muscle car, doesnāt make the integra a muscle, it just changes the preferences of said customers. i forgot the term for it, but packbat used this formula on her '55 PCTChallenge. where if a car is REALLY good, it might just attract potential customers that was looking at another car from another market.
Yes yes, you do realise youāre not actually agreeing with me, or at least, you might be missing my point.
My point was that the market tab is useful by way of contrasting the calculations with our own desires and expectations. Thatās why I want to see them, not to influence the buyer.
Iāve been over this a few times already, and I think youāll find that Iām the last person who would misunderstand how the system is to be interpreted The only reason I bring this up is because I donāt want people misunderstanding what Iāve said based on what youāve said, so let me reiterate:
Nothing in there about a Honda Integra being a muscle car!