This is why I had to ditch polymer panels. I could squeeze out 25 safety fairly easily with polymer, but couldn’t do 27.5 without advanced at +10 or higher sliders. I can’t remember if I did hand made aluminum or steel once I gave up.
Eh, just used advanced safety. At lower positive qualities it isn’t that expensive. Just a bit heavier. I’ll see which setups are more cost effective [size=85]aka be damned if I have to sacrifice power![/size]
Oh I still had to use advanced to meet the safety mark. It was just at +1 or something like that in the end.
So I just did a 10 minute retune and figured, depending on how you skin the cat, you can either advanced safety with light builds (the lighter it is, the higher the quality you go, but it gets rather pricey if you go past 3+ or so!), or you can just enter something beefy. You know what I went for 
Technically it’s possible to save money using an AHS steel monocoque over a glued aluminium frame, but the whole car does end up being about 8% heavier as a result. It just doesn’t seem to be as worth it, but again, that depends on how much weight your car already carries and how you budgeted.
As I stated in the OP, once the car is sent, I’ll not accept revision, so I’ll not run the revised car nor I’ll check them.
The disqualified cars (first submission) will run amongst the approved, but if they’ll win they’ll not receive any of the slice of cake planned. 
Don’t worry for the revised version, you can sent them in for the next trophy.
(I’m sorry, but if I’ll start to accept revision I’ll be flooded with it… I have to draw a line and I’ve drawn it since the first post. My time is limited… and the cake is a lie 
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So if I read the rules correctly (I just want to double check). The only quality slider I cannot change is the tire quality? All the other ones are fair game?
Correct, the only slider forced to 0 it’s the tyre one.
AW, OK! If the rules remain the same I’ll wait until the next trophy to send the same car in then!
(In this case I will post the unofficial corrected times of the fixed version for comparison though of course it won’t count for anything, if that’s OK with you!)
[quote=“NormanVauxhall”]Nope strop, you didn’t correctly named the files so I didn’t download it. No big fuzz for it, but if it really don’t fulfill the minimum safety requirements I have to treat like everybody else and disqualify the entry… you destroyed yourself with your own han… hooves.
As I stated, no revision will be accepted. Sorry 
The disqualified cars can run, but only for benchmark purposes. [/quote]
This seems rather harsh. I missed one slider rule so I can’t compete yet as of writing this post you haven’t run the comp yet. I’ve already fixed my entry and re-submitted it. I don’t care about winning but the issue here is that it would cost you nothing to run the entries that have fixed their errors since you haven’t run the competition yet. My car is named the same so if you download my revised file you’re writing over my old file anyway… No idea why you’d take this tone when it’s meant to be some fun for the forum but if you go through with this then I’ll avoid your competitions in the future.
Maybe instead of making dinky little tables that have lots of info crammed all together you could space it out so it is clear, concise and all relevant details highlighted.
Sorry, I can’t agree with you here. His rules were very clear in the original post, including that once submitted, no revisions would be allowed.
He’s not the only one who has that rule. Der Bayer has the same rule on his CTC competitions. If you screw something up in your LUA or spreadsheet, he tosses your entry.
Every person who puts out a competition has the right to set it up the way they want it. And it’s your right to not participate. But to complain about his rules when you submitted even though you didn’t understand them (or ask for clarification)… well, that’s on you, not him.
(and for what it’s worth, his rules are MUCH more clear than the convoluted mess that is the ITA series… which is part of why I allow revisions, even though it is a humongous pain in the ***. I don’t begrudge him one bit if he doesn’t want to deal with that.)
Yes, I learned the hard way that revisions and forgiveness are a pain in the ass. My PMs got really messy, I don’t know who is in, and I can’t work on the cards and details in advance. Although, it might have been for my good, it gives me more time right now, that I should use to study for the finals.
Yeah I’m not fussed, after all I’m used to those conditions normally and since it’s stated in the OP (that I didn’t read carefully enough), it’s my responsibility for sending in an entry that doesn’t qualify, so I won’t complain. Also the build didn’t take me long, I had fun with it, and if it isn’t used in future rounds I’ll just GG it up anyway and see how fast it can REALLY go
That said what I do agree with highoctanelove about is that it doesn’t take long to check revisions, so I personally feel it fairer to accept a limited number of revisions (like Leo). That said, it all depends on how much time you really have, so that’s not clearly always the best approach. I just feel a bit bad because my benchmark times are going to be like 0.2% faster than they should be.
It’s 00:25 am, I take my brothers at work (he works until late, he is a cook) and I have to wake up at 7:30. Only NOW I had the time to run the game and check some entries… and trust me, there are a LOT of other things that I would like to do.
I’m happy to host this championship, but I don’t want to feel “pain” to coordinate it. I HAVE to be inflexible… Sorry guys.
Its cool don’t stress. This way you can run your tournanent more efficiently than I am at any rate 
[quote=“NormanVauxhall”]It’s 00:25 am, I take my brothers at work (he works until late, he is a cook) and I have to wake up at 7:30. Only NOW I had the time to run the game and check some entries… and trust me, there are a LOT of other things that I would like to do.
I’m happy to host this championship, but I don’t want to feel “pain” to coordinate it. I HAVE to be inflexible… Sorry guys.[/quote]
I disagree. You’re CHOOSING to be inflexible, no-one forced you to be inflexible. No-one is sweating over getting the results of this competition on time and, frankly, what you do with your time is irrelevant to this competition. If you’re that time-poor that you won’t allow a re-submission for a simple error then you should re-think running any competitions. An unfair competition is worse than no competition at all.
If this was about a re-tune solely to make my car better I’d understand your position but right now I call bullshit and I think that, since no-one else wants to say it, due to the fact that I also invested my time designing a car for your competition, and since my time is neither worth more, or less, than your time, you should give everyone who were disqualified the courtesy of a single re-submission.
If you cannot understand why I find this so offensive, that’s fine, just withdraw my car from your competition totally so that my cars results don’t ruin your results sheet and so that you won’t feel any “pain”. I’d hate to inconvenience you and your busy life further than I’ve already seemingly done so. 
Dude… chill the F**k out, the guy set up a great contest and made the rules clear on the OP. If you don’t want to be a part of this fine, but just back out quietly and don’t piss in the pool for the rest of us.
Edit x2 Norman, you’ve got a great contest here and I for one eagerly await the results.
Niall: was that edit addressed to Leo, or Norman, or both?
Pretty much anyone who’s running a competition… but yes norman thank you.
[quote=“nialloftara”]:shock: Dude… chill the F**k out, the guy set up a great contest and made the rules clear on the OP. If you don’t want to be a part of this fine, but just back out quietly and don’t piss in the pool for the rest of us.
Edit Leo, you’ve got a great contest here and I for one eagerly await the results.[/quote]
sigh My car came in under the budget, followed every rule to the letter, but I missed the one about the tyres… Two button presses and my car would have complied. TWO BUTTON PRESSES!!! I didn’t try to slip in a 2L v8, I didn’t set the car up as a RWD or MR, it was fully complianced bar the tyre quality. TWO TICKS OF THE SLIDER!!! Go into your Automation and time that operation… OMG I’ve deprived him of all of 2 seconds! Shame that I cannot get my time back from trying to enter this competition to find out I slipped up on a simple change. No-one’s going to suffer from a single re-sumbission or even simply adjusting my tyre quality to comply.
Read NormanVauhall’s post; He states he won’t allow re-submissions. This has, up to this point, always meant that you cannot continually tweak your car as others submit to try to remain competitive, NOT disallow erroneous entries. If you look at Der Bayer’s comps they have no rigid rules, rather a spreadsheet has to be filled out etc. Therefore it makes sense for him to disqualify any faulty entries as the work required to fix mistakes is onerous and he gets lots of entries. This competition is nowhere near as comprehensive so using the Der Bayer example is smoke and mirrors. Disqualification for this kind of competition should happen if someone cannot comply with the rules after a warning and chance to re-submit. The thought that someone was potentially disqualified for naming their file wrong also aggravates me as that’s just petty bureaucracy; strop was identified as the owner of the car so there’s no point banning his entry for that.
If I thought the contest was a bad one I wouldn’t have entered; I have no issue with the competition but I’m upset because I’m being excluded for a minor technicality that I tried to address within the timeframe of the contest (which I succeeded to do, BTW), only to be told that I’m going to cause the OP undue “pain” to change a slider by two clicks… I’m more shocked that everyone else is so comfortable with this
It’s not that so much as the internet rule: what the OP said goes. If I thought the decision contravened the rules as laid out, or else wasn’t covered by the documentation, then I’d kick up a fuss (and have done so beforehand, on a der bayer tournament, no less!). In this case, perhaps the specific condition: “one pm only, no exceptions” would make it clearer, otherwise whatever. I’m respecting a decision as per basic sportsmanship, not agreeing with it.