Well, on a brighter note, I posted my submission!
The Lizzott LSP Kebab 1600S.
Here are some pics!
Fine, I don’t mind being alone on this issue, because I haven’t done anything wrong. The only thing unsporting about this situation is not being allowed to move a slider 2 places… Being told to shut up and take a chill pill only adds to my sense of being wronged. I HATE being called a cheater and that is what Norman has done to me; by not allowing me to rectify my mistake he’s spitting in my face and making it public by not PM’ing me and putting my error on the OP is like being stabbed in the back 
In real life I would say this to your face Norman but all I have is the internet…
Norman, your inability show the slightest flexibility in running this competition is ridiculous and self centred. If you were unable to run this competition properly then you shouldn’t have attempted it. Even with the +2 slider my car complied with the spirit of your competition and I feel that your responses show a callousness towards those who have legitimate concerns with your position. Your choice of publicly naming and shaming those who didn’t comply with the letter of your “laws” without any chance to redress them was designed to belittle and ridicule those involved and if I was to sum up your attitude in one word it would have to be “Fascist”.
Delete the references to disqualified entries on the OP and in the thread and I’ll get over my feelings of hurt. Leave them up and, while I won’t do anything to you (nor am I implying as such), I’ll have no choice but to consider you as a mean-spirited enforcer who has none of the finer qualities of humankind but rather tends towards the thuggish nature of our primitive selves.
[quote=“HighOctaneLove”]
[quote=“nialloftara”]:shock: Dude… chill the F**k out, the guy set up a great contest and made the rules clear on the OP. If you don’t want to be a part of this fine, but just back out quietly and don’t piss in the pool for the rest of us.
Edit Leo, you’ve got a great contest here and I for one eagerly await the results.[/quote]
sigh My car came in under the budget, followed every rule to the letter, but I missed the one about the tyres… Two button presses and my car would have complied. TWO BUTTON PRESSES!!! I didn’t try to slip in a 2L v8, I didn’t set the car up as a RWD or MR, it was fully complianced bar the tyre quality. TWO TICKS OF THE SLIDER!!! Go into your Automation and time that operation… OMG I’ve deprived him of all of 2 seconds! Shame that I cannot get my time back from trying to enter this competition to find out I slipped up on a simple change. No-one’s going to suffer from a single re-sumbission or even simply adjusting my tyre quality to comply.
Read NormanVauhall’s post; He states he won’t allow re-submissions. This has, up to this point, always meant that you cannot continually tweak your car as others submit to try to remain competitive, NOT disallow erroneous entries. If you look at Der Bayer’s comps they have no rigid rules, rather a spreadsheet has to be filled out etc. Therefore it makes sense for him to disqualify any faulty entries as the work required to fix mistakes is onerous and he gets lots of entries. This competition is nowhere near as comprehensive so using the Der Bayer example is smoke and mirrors. Disqualification for this kind of competition should happen if someone cannot comply with the rules after a warning and chance to re-submit. The thought that someone was potentially disqualified for naming their file wrong also aggravates me as that’s just petty bureaucracy; strop was identified as the owner of the car so there’s no point banning his entry for that.
If I thought the contest was a bad one I wouldn’t have entered; I have no issue with the competition but I’m upset because I’m being excluded for a minor technicality that I tried to address within the timeframe of the contest (which I succeeded to do, BTW), only to be told that I’m going to cause the OP undue “pain” to change a slider by two clicks… I’m more shocked that everyone else is so comfortable with this 
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Dude you should really calm down a bit! Running a tournament like this is a lot of work! The host has the freedome to set the rules and if someone doesn’t like the rules he/she should simply not enter.
Btw. You can use Der Bayer as an example: His first rally challenge was run in a pretty similar style. No revisions, which means: if you don’t meet the rules you are DSQ.
[quote=“HighOctaneLove”]
Fine, I don’t mind being alone on this issue, because I haven’t done anything wrong. The only thing unsporting about this situation is not being allowed to move a slider 2 places… Being told to shut up and take a chill pill only adds to my sense of being wronged. I HATE being called a cheater and that is what Norman has done to me; by not allowing me to rectify my mistake he’s spitting in my face and making it public by not PM’ing me and putting my error on the OP is like being stabbed in the back
In real life I would say this to your face Norman but all I have is the internet…
Norman, your inability show the slightest flexibility in running this competition is ridiculous and self centred. If you were unable to run this competition properly then you shouldn’t have attempted it. Even with the +2 slider my car complied with the spirit of your competition and I feel that your responses show a callousness towards those who have legitimate concerns with your position. Your choice of publicly naming and shaming those who didn’t comply with the letter of your “laws” without any chance to redress them was designed to belittle and ridicule those involved and if I was to sum up your attitude in one word it would have to be “Fascist”.
Delete the references to disqualified entries on the OP and in the thread and I’ll get over my feelings of hurt. Leave them up and, while I won’t do anything to you (nor am I implying as such), I’ll have no choice but to consider you as a mean-spirited enforcer who has none of the finer qualities of humankind but rather tends towards the thuggish nature of our primitive selves.[/quote]
Hey! He is running this by his own accord, and is in no way obligated to cater to the problems facing you. He already has enough on his plate, and can be as self-centered as he wants during the competition. If you don’t want to play, don’t. Your “feelings of hurt” are of no concern to him, me, or anyone else, especially in such a trivial matter.
TL;DR: Shut up, you made a mistake, he made it clear what the consequences would be.
[quote=“Hermann95”]
Dude you should really calm down a bit! Running a tournament like this is a lot of work! The host has the freedome to set the rules and if someone doesn’t like the rules he/she should simply not enter.
Btw. You can use Der Bayer as an example: His first rally challenge was run in a pretty similar style. No revisions, which means: if you don’t meet the rules you are DSQ.[/quote]
And I counter-argue that, since we’re all human, a single re-submission (or even altering my original submission) wouldn’t cause much “pain” or any pain in my case. As for the work bit, I didn’t ask for the OP to run the comp, he CHOSE to run it, and when I stated his rules are too inflexible everyone wants to side with the OP rather than see that the OP is being unreasonable. I don’t have the time/interest in hosting a competition so I don’t start one; don’t cry “pain” when you brought the responsibility on yourself. I paid the OP enough respect to take his competition seriously and I made an error which is being treated like I had the Antichrist driving my car whereas, in actuality, two clicks of the slider and my error is solved. Norman then chose to slather it over the forum rather than PM me. When I exercised my right to state my case for clemency I was attacked for “peeing in the pool”. Standing up to unfairness isn’t wrong. Saying that the OP’s time is somehow more valuable than mine is wrong. Publicly shaming me without right-of-rectification is wrong.
The moderators need to make a standardised set of guidelines ruling these competitions because too many people feel that inequality is actually legitimate; Viva le revolution!!!
[quote=“HighOctaneLove”]
And I counter-argue that, since we’re all human, a single re-submission (or even altering my original submission) wouldn’t cause much “pain” or any pain in my case. As for the work bit, I didn’t ask for the OP to run the comp, he CHOSE to run it, and when I stated his rules are too inflexible everyone wants to side with the OP rather than see that the OP is being unreasonable. I don’t have the time/interest in hosting a competition so I don’t start one; don’t cry “pain” when you brought the responsibility on yourself. I paid the OP enough respect to take his competition seriously and I made an error which is being treated like I had the Antichrist driving my car whereas, in actuality, two clicks of the slider and my error is solved. Norman then chose to slather it over the forum rather than PM me. When I exercised my right to state my case for clemency I was attacked for “peeing in the pool”. Standing up to unfairness isn’t wrong. Saying that the OP’s time is somehow more valuable than mine is wrong. Publicly shaming me without right-of-rectification is wrong.
The moderators need to make a standardised set of guidelines ruling these competitions because too many people feel that inequality is actually legitimate; Viva le revolution!!![/quote]
His tournament, his priorities, his rules. Stop whining.
[quote=“Jakgoe”]
Hey! He is running this by his own accord, and is in no way obligated to cater to the problems facing you. He already has enough on his plate, and can be as self-centered as he wants during the competition. If you don’t want to play, don’t. Your “feelings of hurt” are of no concern to him, me, or anyone else, especially in such a trivial matter.
TL;DR: Shut up, you made a mistake, he made it clear what the consequences would be.[/quote]
I do not agree; the OP was not clear about his intentions and he shouldn’t have made a big deal about the DQ’s if he wasn’t going to give anyone a chance to fix up their error. All I wanted was a chance to have my car allowed with the slider reset to +0, not even 2 seconds work, yet rather than see the logic in this, everyone wants to perpetuate a totalitarion state of affairs which values the competition holder as somehow more important than those who choose to participate.
Trying to trivialise the argument as that the rules were clear and concise and it’s all my fault that he won’t allow my re-submission is reckless and wrong. Black on grey can be missed, especially when the writing for the slider was smaller than the main number and the addition of the word quality after the 0 would have made a big change. The race hasn’t started yet! My car is fixed and re-submitted (and at the time there was no mention of DQ’ing my car) and I suggested a reasonable alternative (move the slider to +0) but that’s clearly too hard for anyone to grasp. The constant “shut up”, “stop peeing in our pool” and “unsporting” directed at my posts is just childish as I have the right to have my grievances heard and saying that “the OP has all the power” just doesn’t cut it in this day and age. You start letting that mindset creep in and this forum will be filled with drones, grovelling at the feet of those all powerful competition makers who deign to throw them a scrap from their somehow inherently superior worldviews…
Bring on some forum rules governing competition language so that there will finally be some peace for those of us labouring under the heavy burden of dictatorial competition writers!
[quote=“Jakgoe”]
[quote=“HighOctaneLove”]
And I counter-argue that, since we’re all human, a single re-submission (or even altering my original submission) wouldn’t cause much “pain” or any pain in my case. As for the work bit, I didn’t ask for the OP to run the comp, he CHOSE to run it, and when I stated his rules are too inflexible everyone wants to side with the OP rather than see that the OP is being unreasonable. I don’t have the time/interest in hosting a competition so I don’t start one; don’t cry “pain” when you brought the responsibility on yourself. I paid the OP enough respect to take his competition seriously and I made an error which is being treated like I had the Antichrist driving my car whereas, in actuality, two clicks of the slider and my error is solved. Norman then chose to slather it over the forum rather than PM me. When I exercised my right to state my case for clemency I was attacked for “peeing in the pool”. Standing up to unfairness isn’t wrong. Saying that the OP’s time is somehow more valuable than mine is wrong[/quote]
. Publicly shaming me without right-of-rectification is wrong.
The moderators need to make a standardised set of guidelines ruling these competitions because too many people feel that inequality is actually legitimate; Viva le revolution!!!
His tournament, his priorities, his rules. Stop whining.[/quote]
And you need to stop blindly swallowing the swill that you’ve been fed. What’s the problem with wanting a chance to rectify an error, especially when my corrected entry was in well before the cut-off for the competition? Why wasn’t the whole affair done via PM rather than out in the open? Why did the OP not state on the first post relating to my entry that it was being DQ’d and to not bother sending in a fixed file?
Your reply clearly shows why we need standardised rules; No-one can misunderstand when there are clear, concise standards for the meaning of terms, how to structure the competition OP and so forth… The status quo just isn’t good enough.
EDIT: Sorry everyone, I allowed myself to get butthurt over something that in hindsight wasn’t important at all… I inreservedly apologise to all who I have irritated with my posts and I’ll be PM’ing Norman shortly. Do as you will Norman, run my car or don’t, I accept the DQ and best of luck to all who qualified for the race 
Aaaaand you’ve single-handedly come up with the solution to eliminate all community sponsored challenges from the board.
OP didn’t smear you in any sense of the word. And he most certainly did not accuse you of cheating (scroll back… did he ever use that word?)
You said it yourself you don’t have the time to run a competition yourself, yet you’re more than willing to tell other people how they should spend their time. If that’s not valuing YOUR time over HIS, I don’t know what is.
I DSQ’ed a competitor in ITA for an even smaller infraction than what you’ve committed (0.1mm on the stroke slider), and the participant was very gracious about it when he learned of the issue. He didn’t become a one-man wrecking crew in my competition’s thread. Does it suck that you were DSQ’ed? Yes. No one here is arguing that. But did you submit a car that was not compliant to the rules, which said resubmissions were not allowed? Yes.
THAT is why “no one is on your side” on this one. It’s not because no one sympathizes (well, they probably don’t anymore because of the colossal stink you’ve put up over this, but that’s your problem now), it’s that things were clearly laid out, and you’re whining about what was ultimately caused by your sloppy work and lack of self-auditing. I re-check EVERYTHING on ALL of my submissions a minimum of 3 times before actually sending the PM.
[quote=“HighOctaneLove”]
The constant “shut up”, “stop peeing in our pool” and “unsporting” directed at my posts is just childish as I have the right to have my grievances heard and saying that “the OP has all the power” just doesn’t cut it in this day and age. You start letting that mindset creep in and this forum will be filled with drones, grovelling at the feet of those all powerful competition makers who deign to throw them a scrap from their somehow inherently superior worldviews…
Bring on some forum rules governing competition language so that there will finally be some peace for those of us labouring under the heavy burden of dictatorial competition writers![/quote]
And your continued badgering isn’t childish? Or resorting to calling people dictatorial isn’t childish?
Jeesh, I’d give you some leeway if this was something important. If you are being sarcastic, I can’t tell. If you are being serious, calm down. He can arbitrarily change this as he wants! I cannot stress this enough, it is HIS competition. The competition is being provided to you, at your own risk. If you disagree, just walk away, because this is not something that you have say in. He runs the competition, he does what he wants. If you want to make your own competition, no one is stopping you.
Secondly, “once sent, an entry cannot be revised”. That is pretty damn clear to me.
Learn to respect people. Here’s a life lesson, you don’t win friends and influence other by saying that they “blindly swallow the swill that they are fed”. If you are going to make a compelling case, you don’t do that by accusing people of things, real or imaginary, or by attacking not only their viewpoint, but them as well.
Last off, these competitions are run for fun, not part of an organised thing. They are just meant to hold us over until multiplayer supports tournaments like these. There is no need for a virtual FIA, or a governing body.
Perhaps if you let it go, and ask nicely, Andrea will give you another chance. But it is not up to me, and if I was him, I’d find this kind of behavior inexcusable.
[quote=“VicVictory”]
Aaaaand you’ve single-handedly come up with the solution to eliminate all community sponsored challenges from the board.
OP didn’t smear you in any sense of the word. And he most certainly did not accuse you of cheating (scroll back… did he ever use that word?)
You said it yourself you don’t have the time to run a competition yourself, yet you’re more than willing to tell other people how they should spend their time. If that’s not valuing YOUR time over HIS, I don’t know what is.
I DSQ’ed a competitor in ITA for an even smaller infraction than what you’ve committed (0.1mm on the stroke slider), and the participant was very gracious about it when he learned of the issue. He didn’t become a one-man wrecking crew in my competition’s thread. Does it suck that you were DSQ’ed? Yes. No one here is arguing that. But did you submit a car that was not compliant to the rules, which said resubmissions were not allowed? Yes.
THAT is why “no one is on your side” on this one. It’s not because no one sympathizes (well, they probably don’t anymore because of the colossal stink you’ve put up over this, but that’s your problem now), it’s that things were clearly laid out, and you’re whining about what was ultimately caused by your sloppy work and lack of self-auditing. I re-check EVERYTHING on ALL of my submissions a minimum of 3 times before actually sending the PM.
[quote=“HighOctaneLove”]
The constant “shut up”, “stop peeing in our pool” and “unsporting” directed at my posts is just childish as I have the right to have my grievances heard and saying that “the OP has all the power” just doesn’t cut it in this day and age. You start letting that mindset creep in and this forum will be filled with drones, grovelling at the feet of those all powerful competition makers who deign to throw them a scrap from their somehow inherently superior worldviews…
Bring on some forum rules governing competition language so that there will finally be some peace for those of us labouring under the heavy burden of dictatorial competition writers![/quote]
And your continued badgering isn’t childish? Or resorting to calling people dictatorial isn’t childish?[/quote]
Yes, yes and yes… I editted my prior post with an apology so I’ll re-iterate it here.
I humbly and wholeheartedly apologise for all my posts in this thread and I, for the little good it brings those I’ve insulted, formally withdraw and ask forgiveness for the irritation and potential trouble I’ve caused. I lost my sense of perspective and humour and, as a result, have caused harm and have ruined the friendly banter of this thread. I still feel upset about my DQ but I went about the process like a douchebag and in the process of expressing my hurt I have hurt others…
Sorry, I won’t do this again and, if possible, I’d like the mods to delete my offensive posts so no-one else has to put up with my actions 
Oh highoctanelove, you do get fired up don’t you 
On with the contest!
[quote=“strop”]Oh highoctanelove, you do get fired up don’t you
On with the contest![/quote]
I’m not proud of it, that’s for sure, I lose sight of what my original point was and sometimes end up arguing the other side’s point… 
Getting us back on topic…
The Wooden Cog Car Company is proud to announce its entry into the race with the NightShade.
[quote=“NormanVauxhall”]
MAFFC - MGCC Button 1600 TRZ (min. engine reliability not reached, probably the aero slider was set for the body reliability and the engine suffered.)[/quote]
Hmm, not sure what happening there, when I open the car on my machine it does show apx 35 engine reliability, but retest the engine, with no changes it leaps to the 65 I thought I had submitted.
If I Save it again then reopen it’s back down to 35 ??!
oh well.
Check your ventilation? Testing the cars one after another often causes problems as the ventilation of the previous car carries over. I’ve also experienced bugged out saves in this fashion, and have to navigate to the aero tab first before doing any testing or the figures are off.
yep, it’s there - Bugger!
This is a known bug with the game where, instead of loading the car’s aero settings, it uses the previously opened car’s aero settings. I recommend you re-check that NormanVauxhall. Just click up and then down again on the ventilation slider and everything should set back to how it should.
Nah, he’s no need to, it my settings which aren’t right, but are hidden on 1st load 
Can we use QUALITY POINTS on engine and car (w/o tyres width) 