2007 Toyota Prius/Anti-Car/Whatever you want to call it

The dealer I got the Prius from has been excellent. The Toyota dealer I used in the past for my old car messed up a simple job that meant it had to go back 5 times, but they bent over backwards to help and sort it out.

After about 3 hours today (and about 3/4 months of waiting) the Prius is once again clean.


[quote=“adamd”]Well guys, further to my previous thread, I now have a a 2007 Gen 2 Prius T-Spirit. :smiley:
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Colour is Aztec Bronze. (I’m not sure why I blanked the plate, this picture is one of the top results on Google Images, but is my car…)

I’ve had it a week tomorrow, and in that time I have done about 400 miles. Going from the basic, manual Daihatsu to this, I wasn’t sure how I’d like it. Answer is, as a commuter car I think it’s fantastic, and the Prius gets an unfairly bad reputation, be it because of the Prius driver stereotype or what, I don’t know. I’ll quickly run through the main points of what I have found so far.

Performance
It seems to be a common theory that the Prius is slow. By UK standards at least, this is not true. Keeps up easily with everything else, and the instant torque of the electric motor means it can really shift off the mark if you need it to. There’s a little bit of a sort of flat spot around 30-33MPH as the engine starts doing it’s thing over the motor if you take it too easy, but you can easily power through it. If you really hammer it, it acts like a traditional CVT and brings the revs up to 4500-4800, and if you don’t mind the noise you can hustle it along pretty well.

Handling
It’s not a sportscar, but I didn’t expect it to be. The steering has the typical Toyota lightness, but still provides reasonable feedback, and it’s nice in tight spaces or car parks and manages to make the car feel very easily manouverable. It remains well composed over rough or bumpy ground, or when pushing along a country lane, but some body roll is present. Brakes are also fantastic, with it having regenerative braking at the lower end combined with usual disc brakes, it can really stop very quickly.

Comfort/Refinement
There are two main things you notice, incredible smoothness, and incredible quietness. Pulling away you can do just on electric, so it’s very quiet and very smooth. Getting up to 30MPH can be done on just electric assuming the battery is charged and there are no steep hills, but even with the engine on, you can barely tell it’s there. Once you are up to speed and cruising, the engine drops to the lowest RPM possible to maintain speed, and if you are on a flat road, stops completely. For example, on the motorway near where I work there is a 50MPH limit, and it will happily sit at 50 with cruise control set, just on electric alone. Obviously, any hills and the engine is called back into action. Sound insulation is excellent, with road noise being very well dulled down and wind noise being almost none-existent. Engine noise is only heard when really pushing on. Seats are big, comfortable and supportive, with tons of space for all passengers. Ride is good, and it takes bumps very well in my opinion, and never feels unsettled.

General
In general, I think the Prius is a pretty excellent car. The smoothness, comfort and ease of driving in poor traffic alone makes it great for me when commuting, and makes the car lovely to drive. Sure, it’s not a typical choice of car for a petrolhead, but as anyone who knows me knows, I’m a Toyota nutter anyway, so it seemed an excellent choice. I also appreciate the gadgets, and the list of them fitted is massive. The JBL stereo sounds great, the reverse camera is very helpful, and the voice control and self-parking features are nifty extra novelties (Video of self parking to come later. :stuck_out_tongue:).

As I said earlier, I think some of the bad image a lot of people seem to have of the Prius is either from the stereotype of Prius drivers, or just that they are perceived as different. I don’t think they are going to save all the trees, but if it is just treat like every other mid-size car I think it is a pretty compelling alternative to a diesel of the same size. It’s low emissions mean in the UK it costs almost nothing to tax, and is exempt from things like the congestion charge. Fuel economy is also proving to be relatively good:
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This was after my normal commute home, and while you could probably get the same out of a small engined diesel car of the same size, the diesel won’t be as smooth or as quiet, and petrol is quite a bit cheaper than diesel here currently. I’m sure I could also get more out of it if I tried, I haven’t tried to learn any of the special techniques yet, this is purely just me driving it normally as I would drive anything else.

There’s probably more I want to say about it that I can’t remember right now, but I think I have written an essay on it already. (And if you have read it this far, thanks, it took me ages. :stuck_out_tongue:) Anyone wanting a solid well built car for general use, I thoroughly recommend you try one. It’s not going to be everyone’s cup of tea, but if you can get over the potential image issues, there is a great car behind the badge.

If anyone is interested, I will update with better pictures, and how the car does with regards to longevity and reliability. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask. :slight_smile:[/quote] That is a nice car (don’t judge me, haters) but I think it could do nicely with some aftermarket mods.

Maybe get some at some point (when the warranty is up) but it would only be small bits anyway. Nothing like a full rudeboy bodykit or anything.

Adam, there still is a way out!

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It has been a while since the last update, and over the last couple of weeks the Prius hasn’t been doing it’s usual mega journeys. Now, I had an incling the 12v battery wasn’t great on it (it only showed about 12.0v when fully charged in the summer, it’s almost 8 years old and startup noises seemed to be a bit slower in the cold), so I kind of saw what was coming next.

Last proper journey the car did was last Friday. Went to run it again last night to make sure all was well, and was met with the angry red triangle, and a couple of other lights. Let it run for a while and then ran it round the block a couple of times, restarted and I was warning light free, battery showing 12v, all seemed well.

Tried to run it again this morning to check all was well, and the indicators were a bit dim on unlock. When I tried to start it, I got the READY light, and all warning lights went out. Then half way through the usual startup process came the angry triangle again, followed by the VSC, ABS and brake system warnings. Then I lost the speedo and gear indicators, and the READY light disappeared. I think the brake servo pump starting up caused a voltage drop the crap battery couldn’t take. At this point, I tried to get the car to even fire the engine, but it wasn’t having any of it, it was just stuck.

Here’s a comparison of a healthy running dash shot, and what I got this morning.


Tried to power the car again, same angry red triangle and christmas tree dashboard, complete with a warning in the monitor telling me there was a transmission issue. This was a problem, given that I needed to move the car to be able to get at the battery. Fortunately after a few seconds this time, the car sorted itself and the READY status came back, and the engine fired.

My local Toyota dealer was excellent at this point, they did not have any batteries in stock but had me one delivered to my house from their depot at no extra cost, within an hour of me calling, for £25 less than the usual Toyota price. I know a lot of people frown on using main Toyota dealers, but they have been pretty good to me on the whole, and the Prius uses a small AGM battery as it’s starting battery, which was over £200 elsewhere… Toyota only wanted £95 to fit it.

The job itself looks worse than it is, you have to disassemble some of the boot area to get at the battery as it is behind the brake system ECU in the right rear wheel well.

This shows the boot floor apart, you can see the battery hiding the corner there. The big metal thing at the front is the hybrid drive battery.


This shows the compartment the 12v battery lives in, complete with the vents for each battery.


This is everything in the battery compartment back together, that bit in front there is the brake ECU.


After sticking the new battery in, the car took one “start” to reset itself, and then I had to do some odd things like re-calibrating the self parking, and then it was set. Hopefully this one should last me a few more years. :unamused:

Happened upon this on imgur, might be relevant to you later. m.imgur.com/gallery/j8Bcp

Well, this is a post I wasn’t expecting to make so soon, but today is my last day of Prius ownership.

I’ve loved this car, it’s been great, and it’s the first car I’ve properly driven and it gave me the confidence to actually get on the road, so I will miss it. Recent events though have kind of signalled a change (no, nothing to do with Goodwood :stuck_out_tongue:), so I pick up it’s replacement tomorrow. Expect a thread as soon as I do.