NOMINATIONS CLOSED
Thanks to all who submitted nominations! Please wait a few (up to 7) days while I compile images for the first round of elimination voting.
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slow piece of shit...i can smoke the fuck out of this in my 1994 EG hatch with a couple of simple mods: - full 3D cage with Parachute - 3 piece private mod front fascia - cheese drag suspension - Fuel cell with -8 lines from tank to motor - 1200 fixtures total - +15 billet block - 10:1 forged pistons - Balance shaft delete - 100 cam profile - seq transmission with race lsd. - race manifold and header - individual throttle bodies - +15 aspiration - +15 fuel system - 1.5 bar im making 348 horsepower to the FRONT WHEELS because thats the only place the power should ever be
VOTING ROUND 1
Now for the juicy part!
Despite receiving less than 20 responses for nominations, I still had more than plenty of nominees to work through. Now itās your turn to narrow down the list for the subsequent and final round of voting next week.
This poll will be open until next Wednesday (the 11th), once again closing at around 19:00 (7:00 pm) EST. The checkboxes may make things seem rapid-fire, but donāt rush!
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lmao 2 challenges that havenāt been finished in challenge of the year
comedy
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Donāt think if you should be the one bringing that fact up given the history, but its what people nominated in the prior round.
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Fine, Iāll bring it up - Unfinished challenges should not have been eligible because they were not finished.
That simple - end of story.
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Ah yes, but none of the challenges I failed to finish ever got nominated for a reward like this, what makes those nominated this year any different?
Itās because theyāre your friends isnāt it? they get a pass because youāre friends with them, and theyāll be better next time. Iām sorry, but itās not fair to have a challenge that closed in January, and has had no progress in 11 months be eligible for CHALLENGE OF THE YEAR, when it never got past the entries closed phase. Itās unfair to every other person who did finish a challenge this year to give that a nomination. Itās hypocritical in the deepest measures to continue to rail me with āYou didnāt finish a challengeā shit when I point it out, despite continuing to associate with people who have done the same thing as me and defend them.
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If if upsets you that much, why didnāt you nominate it for Cock-up of the Year?
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Might be that unfinished challenges arenāt worthy of anything except being forgotten.
Not eligible for rewards.
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alright letās cut the bullshit
youāre just as big of a hypocrite to constantly be mad about unfinished challenges, and the difference between you and them is very simple - you have a pattern of starting and never finishing challenges - the people youāre mad at donāt.
hereās some advice - get a life. the people youāre mad at have lives that are busy and quite frankly, they donāt owe you or anyone else an explanation for why the challenge isnāt finished. do us all a favor and find a better hobby than getting mad at people you donāt even know.
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Touched a nerve there - read what I wrote again. I inserted none of my opinions on that matter, simply the fact that you bring this up a lot hypocritically and that it is what other people nominated - not even mentioning that you can choose to eliminate them now. Maybe should have brought this up earlier if it is such a big issue, but its always getting mad after the fact.
Oh, and sorry that having friends is offensive for you, but I can see why. One little note about your very well documented history on the subject you keep bringing up and it sets you off.
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When it came to evaluating certain nominations, I opted to take a laissez-faire approach, resulting in, for example, LSās truck-swapped Kamaka Destiny making the cut for QCOTY and a few WWC track cars being included in the COTY Performance category.
I consider it important for the categories to be open to interpretation (within reason) to encourage more nominations, and am satisfied with the results, with only a few nominees being disqualified via hard prerequisites (e.g. as much as I would have liked to let them in, ChilPollins joined the forums and Discord in 2017 and 2022 respectively, and is thus ineligible for newcomer status, and those who nominated them did not approach me for a do-over).
Lastly, while I understand your concerns about an unfinished challenge setting a bad precedent, I consider it even more of a disservice to the entrants, who have no doubt already had their effort go ignored in the context of a challenge.
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Damn, I thought Iād vote in the actual voting, even though I had zero ideas for nominations due to not following the community too closely, butā¦ no, I donāt think I can. I havenāt ever seen like 95+% of those cars before, havenāt heard of more than half of the brands. That was a rather sad realisation. And Iām kinda sad that the Car Design Sharing Forum is mostly dead (which Iām equally to blame for as anyone else having any brand here).
Despite me still enjoying the game after all those years and hours of playtime, and despite visiting the forum quite often, I feel more and more distanced from the community, and more stuck in the past long gone.
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This beef should be included in the controversy tab of the voting O.o
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I feel I would like to weigh in, as someone that hopes that both sides can come to mutual understanding
As I believe that is possible, I donāt seem it worthy of inclusion.
Roboracers will serve as example, because that challenge is one of those two unfinished ones.
That, and I can say Iām familiar with it.
Why someone voted for it?
Roboracersā¦were very promising challenge, assembled by quartet of people that have tendency of high-quality design in their creations and it truly seemed that this challenge might be somewhat similar to that.
To no surprise, this beggining had left quite the impression on people and participants would deliver, leaving no stones unturned to do best they can.
And yes, that group has friends. Friends support you in most cases, so unsurprisingly that was the case here as well regarding voting. Also, Iām pretty sure some of those even entered
Why it would be such a controversial choice, then?
Well, itās not complete. While I wouldnāt completely agree with Madrias that unfinished challenges shouldnāt be considered in vote, I do personally agree that it should not have been featured.
And yes, we will not delve into reasons and excuses regarding itās state.
Why, you may ask?
There are no reviews. At all.
Reviews do happen to be quite important. I dreamed of being in this community because I found out about these forums and would read through CSRs.
Reviews are what really attracted my attention then, as non-player: in essence, you are getting the information about what is wrong or right with car.
Write said information down in manner where going through reviews would be generally considered enjoyable read, and format it nicely, you are on good path of assuring your challenge can be considered nice and memorable one (in good sense ofc).
Where i differ from Madrias here is fact that I would accept at least part of reviews avaiable and some possibility of that indeed being finished soon.
Some several-months-old challenge that hasnāt announced a victor by the time of this vote could be considered imo in case there are reviews that follow the quality that might have been hinted at the begginingā¦potentially host going out of their way to fancy up reviews could be very reason for them taking long time.
Roboracers promised to be awesome story, but due to circumstances it never got closure it really needed.
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Can we all stop with the I-did-you-did BS? This is 2024 EOTY, meant to be a relaxed, informal celebration of a year in Automation design and community. Weāre not fighting over a government research grant here, so trying to stir accusations of bias or patronage is neither proper nor logical. And weāre not auditioning peopleās lifelong records in the community, either, so stacking up to ālet someone have itā based on a throwaway (if hypocritical) comment is also unproductive. If nothing else, itās too much attention to devote a person.
We have a vote to tend to. If the community consensus is that unfinished challenges are āineligibleā for awards, we should trust that same community to vote accordingly and eliminate said challenges from the final round. Itās as simple as that, and I find Stigās approach of only disqualifying objective category mismatches as the right one to take here. In the meantime, I would prefer this community to remain calm and peaceful without any admins needing to enforce said peace, so take your chill pills if ya gotāem.
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Thanks Texaslav for saying what I wanted to better lol.
This is something I would like to bring up separately, tho. This is a large enough community that not everybody knows everybody, and especially since thereās entire parts of the community that donāt interact with other parts. As such, one canāt, and shouldnāt, expect everyone to be able to vote in every category.
If this final round is like last timeās, all voters will be required to vote in all categories; so theyāre either forced to vote a category they have no opinion on/knowledge of (e.g. ābest challengeā when theyāve never done one, ābest [quality] userā between people theyāve never met, ābest postā when the options are discord messages and they only have a forum account), if they want to vote at all. So either they donāt vote, which sucks, or more likely they just flippantly coin-toss the ones they donāt understand/care about, which is unfair both to said candidates and to the people who do care. And having links/photos to research is a very good inclusion, but many lack the time for more than a cursory glance at each (if that).
Not the worst of problems, no, but worth pointing out. I do request categories stop being required in these forms going forward.
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OK, now I suggest you, take a step back. Breathe. Think.
The nominations are after all done by the community. If unfinished challenges are nominated, enough people seems to still have hope in them, to still think they are viable. It was up to all of you to nominate finished challenges for the voting, and I also hope you did, at least the ones that are complaining. If you donāt like some actual nominations (be it that the challenges are unfinished or some other reason), just vote for something else. Remember, we are doing this as a community, there is no illuminati at the top pulling the strings.
If I still understand why it is controversial that unfinished challenges goes further and that people have opinions on that? Oh, I really do, and I must say that the unclear status this far was what made me not nominate Mille Monti as challenge of the year (instead, maybe wait for next year and see if it wrapped up nice). Now, with DerBayer promising results around christmas I can really vote for it, I feel like. Weāre talking a long time member that has proved to be reliable by now. If I would have voted for it if it had been a newcomer or someone with an history of abandoning challenges hosting it? Heck no. BUT, in this case it is just my opinions.
The thing is, there were no rules saying you could not nominate an unfinished challenge as challenge of the year. That will also mean that people are still free to do it IMO. If there had been rules stating it, things would have been different, but you canāt come up with rules afterwards and say ānah, I canāt include unfinished challenges in the voting processā. So, now it is only up to the voters to decide.
As for choosing brand of the year and suchā¦yes, the dying car sharing category means that it is VERY hard to do that nowadays, on the other hand it is easy to lose motivation to share anything to them when you actually get zero response there. What you get is some people pressing the like button, and to be fair, some of those people like every post that they read. (This is why I am somewhat questioning even having a like button on internet forums because it tends to kill them). I get that not everyone can comment every single car, but working on something for hours and just getting radio silenceā¦well, it kills motivation honestly speaking. So, who is guilty? Well, harshly put, all of us, since radio silence means that appearantly none of us are commenting there on a regular basis.
Opinions like āI havenāt seen half of the carsā, OK, I can get them but in such a large community it will happen. But honestly speaking, there are pictures, there are links, there are a search function on the board if you are curious about them. I know it can be awkward sometimes, but can someone come up with a better solution or do we have to accept that compromise?
We canāt really expect the host to write up a book about all the entries either because then we would have to vote for the 2024 awards in 2027 or somethingā¦
Just my 5 cents.
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Well, perhaps, but it didnāt occur to me to such degree before, or I didnāt notice because Iāve missed the vote. This time there were many categories in which Iād have to vote based just on the picture, or what Iād get from a search. But, unlike before, I donāt have time for searching each option now 
And I firmly refuse judging the cars as a whole just by the pictures, Iāve always been against turning Automation things that are not explicitly about design simply into beauty contests. And you say there are pictures and links - pictures yes, links not for everything, while it would be useful.
So, to extract something productive from my whining mostly about having not enough time and despising beauty contests - I agree with @Edsel that votes in each category should be optional, and Iād add that every car should have not only a picture, but also a link attached to them. And brands too! Even if that link leads to just one of their cars, because it really canāt anywhere else.
And I agree with you about that radio silence, thatās why I tend to comment many things that grab my attention (well, less so in challenges, because it feels sorta spammy to me).
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Moral of the story,
Get over it.
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