It says cruise test so I thought that meant high way since that’s the other stat aside from combined MPG that I usually see. The average cruise test is 85.9 MPG. The 68 MPH cruise test is 61.2 MPG. I tried to be as realistic as possible.
Well, I expectedly missed a few rule breaks and thus didn’t notify the participants in question. So, there will be a resubmission window, ending on Wednesday, the 30th at 12pm UTC.
Those who have broken a rule have received a DM from me. Additionally, I’ve not received a .car from @AMuteCrypt and @ldub0775. Please send that ASAP.
Everyone who needed to resubmitted and I received the file from amutecrypt and ldub. With that done:
Dave sits down after having spent the afternoon travelling and looking through various car magazines in passing. He comes home just in time to catch that evening’s Auto Driver broadcast.
“Oh, how convenient.” Dave says, as he picks up a notebook and a pen.
Pingu Permutuus
“Hm…maybe this one isn’t for me. Too cheap.” Dave crosses out the Permutuus.
[OOC: This one is too cheaply made. You left 710 bucks on the table, and had -15 quality on steering and traction aids (if you had any traction aids, that is). Along with that, -7 quality on drivetrain isn’t the greatest of looks either. While this challenge does encourage the less good of all cars, this one is regrettably too bad. The styling, however, is wonderful and detailed. ]
SUMA M232 Camionero
“Hey, that sounds pretty good, all things considered, though maybe a bit more economy would be nice. Then again, it’s a truck.” He scribbles down a note or two next to the name and redirects his attention back at the TV.
Iris Sion
“Now do I really want to drive that…thing?” He thinks about it for a while while the presenter rambles on about some additional cost metrics. Ultimately, he decides against it.
[OOC: The Sion offers the highest reliability of all. It does not offer great economy, however, nor does it offer great drivability, safety, or good looks, although the third-lowest svc of the bunch make it a real edge case where the sensible mind would let it through. But unfortunately, it sacrifices too many stats for that incredible reliability figure.]
Valiant TouchDown LX
“Well, that’s pretty strange, but the figures are compelling. Argh.” He scribbles down a strongly worded note.
[OOC:I don’t exactly understand why this is two seats. It’s large enough for more, which would massively improve its practicality. It does get a pass. For now.]
AB-Monozukuri Scamp 1500 SX Phase II
“Well, that’s unfortunate, I liked how it looked. Shame.” He crosses out the Scamp on the notebook."
[OOC: As mentioned above, it kind of suffers an identity crisis, not being sure whether to be an offroader or a regular old hatch. The stats are okay, but the SVC is quite high. It’s a shame, I really liked the look of it. I sure hope this crossover thing won’t take over the world in 2 decades!]
The television soon cuts to black, before next week’s broadcast announcement comes on.
Moves on to next round:
- SUMA M232 Camionero by @Banana_Soule
- Valiant Touchdown LX by @mart1n2005
…hoping the ARTC 150 can put it’s money where my mouth is…
A little explanation about mine, there is a “van” and a “people mover” variant in the body that look identical, however they split up the body into the load bit and people bit differently.
The people mover took me over budget so I had to use the van, the only reason it has windows is because the windows are a separate slot in the paint and I wanted a rear window you could see through and ideally the sides just painted panels. I couldn’t do that without tons of patchwork so I used the dark glass mod material for the sides and rear glass, and the cabin glass is much lighter.
Also I think it’s just too small for three front seats. In an ideal world I could have afforded two rows of two seats and then a solid bulkhead to make a separate cargo area to the rear.
I hope this overly wordy response has helped
All understood, my wording was meant to say that the SUMA had three seats while yours only had two in comparison while the cabin is large enough for a second row. But yeah I geddit now.
Here’s a little fun fact about the Capable Expect! The model started production in 1990 and was intended as an export model to Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Phillipines, and also sold in Japan and South Korea! A comparatively few amount of Expect cars were for sale in the USA.
Ah, now that seems more reasonable. The 68mph cruise test is what you should quote in the future as your “highway MPG” score; the combined cruise test is a weighted average of cruising at several different slow and fast speeds always in the highest gear possible (real drivers are less likely to short-shift and lug a small engine at <1500rpm) that completely disregards the fuel burned to accelerate to those speeds in the first place, so it is impossible to match that figure even if you do drive exactly according to the testing profile.
A week later, Dave sits down at the television again to watch the week’s Auto Driver broadcast.
“Exciting stuff.”
Nocturne (off forums)
Brockwood Proxima
“Well, I’d be damned if I didn’t put it on the list.” Dave scribbles the Proxima’s name on a post-it note.
ARTC 150
“Less cost to run, easier to drive, but less comfortable, and a design from the 80’s…drat, this is kind of hard.” He thinks about it, but ultimately decides against the little wheeled box from Archana.
[OOC: There’s nothing really wrong with the ARTC 150, it’s just that the Proxima manages to do what the ARTC does, but a hair’s width cheaper, a good bit more comfortably, and a bit more reliably (somehow). It’s also more safe. The design would have also worked better if it was more detailed, although I can understand that the theme you were going with this doesn’t exactly allow for ‘bespoke’.]
Progresses to next round:
- Brockwood Proxima L by Nocturne
Blasphemy! ARTC will not stand by while the Capitalist plague spreads among the west!
(OOC: congrats for making it to the next round even though you aren’t on the Forum)
Another week passes, another time Dave crashes on to the couch to catch an Auto Driver broadcast.
Kotatsu Macchia
“Wow, great package it seems.” He writes down the Macchia.
Planar PG34 Genoace G1300
“Fuel economy is a shame. Well, I guess I’m not missing out on a lot.” He crosses out the Planar.
[OOC: The engine’s thirst is what kills this, despite the great SVC. Mediocre other stats with suboptimal drivability also aren’t great.common lotto l]
Tallin (off forums)
Fenland Rose
“Interesting, sounds good.” He writes down the Fenland.
[OOC: You did violate the naming convention by not putting BBB in to the model name, but I’m not that petty nor in the mood to bin cars for little reason.]
Enso Bunto
“Ah shame, that fuel economy figure is very impressive. Surely nothing can outdo that.” Mildly disappointed, he crosses it out.
[OOC: It’s really impressive that you managed to fit a turbocharged vehicle in to the budget. However, the turbocharger also raises the SVC a lot, and the comfort is quite low. Three full seats would’ve put you 30$ over the budget and raised the comfort only marginally, so I see where it’s coming from, but either way it’s a bit unfortunate as the economy is very impressive, and the rest of the engineering is more than decent.]
[Sidenote: You also violated the naming convention after several times of mentioning that, but like, I’m not that petty, again. Your car should have had the following name:
I received this:
This makes it harder for us hosts to actually find out whose car this is and what its name is. I record all that in the sheet and be done with it because I have vaguely functional short-term memory, but some other hosts may find it VERY frustrating to have to look up the name of the vehicle and its submitter in question. Don’t take this as me getting mad at you, this is only advice, because some other people will definitely just insta-bin you for it with NO warning.
Capable Expect
“Darn, like the Iris…I don’t think so.” He crosses it out.
[OOC: Highest fuel economy, one of the four with 80+ reliability and lowest SVC. You’d think that it’d be a winner, no? But it brings very little uniqueness to the table, and its styling is wildly inconsistent. I have no idea what is going on with that side molding (which doesn’t really appear until later in the 2000s), there’s circular side markers while the car is mostly square and angular, the badges on the rear don’t even line up correctly, nevermind being symmetrical. Comfort, safety and sportiness aren’t exactly impressive either. If it was solely judged by reliability, service cost and economy, it would have won, handily. But styling kills it.]
Progresses to next round:
- Kotatsu Macchia by @azkaalfafa
- Fenland Rose by Tallin
forgot to put this here, sorry if it notifies you twice
Damn straight it is!!! Someone please send help I need an intervention
Goddamn all I changed in the resubmission was upgrade the interior (and maybe safety) and sevice cost went up by $200
Another week, another Auto Driver broadcast, another time Dave sits down on the couch with the notebook.
Primus Urbano CL
“Agh, why doesn’t this darn television work correctly. Well, car’s not all too good. Sad.”
[OOC: It’s a pretty good entry, just that it has a lot of things that should have been tuned out. The SVC is also pretty high, and comfort pretty low. Competition is strong, and this one folded under the pressure.]
[Sidenote: I’m stupid and took the pictures in the wrong resolution, pretend the television is broken and he can’t adjust the picture tube.]
Mara Zora 1.1K
“I’ve heard enough. That’s getting on the list.” He excitedly scribbles down the Mara.
LVC LC90 1.2 S2
“And the design’s pretty bland. Don’t know if its that the Mara is really good or the LVC is bad…”
[OOC:It’s a good car, but the suspension is too firm, and the Mara just offers more for less SVC.]
VME Wren SE 150
“Well, I’m not really looking for a hot hatch. It would be fun…but nah.”
[OOC: No comfort kills. And it killed the Wren in this case. While the sporty little engine is enticing, the hit in economy is significant (nevermind that it gets better economy than a Metro but other people have stupid amounts of economy for the same money)]
ひゆうんざり (Hiyunzari) Citrine Pico
“Do I really need more seats? I want it.” He tries to scribble down the Citrine Pico’s name but fails, and just goes for ‘that little citron guy’ instead.
Mori IQ 1.0L EFI
“Well, shucks. I thought it was pretty good looking and interesting.”
[OOC:Longitudinal rear-wheel-drive is an interesting choice for this vehicle and it suffers with subuoptimal drivability. Lots of money also went in to that CD player, with not all too much benefit. The non-overdrive transmission tops out at 150km/h which is just strange, and kills your economy, and the turbo engine has a nearly laughable 12.8% thermal efficiency (most competitors sat at 20-23%). The turbo isn’t even that good at boosting power, and the Citrine is similarly fast off the line without a turbo.]
Progresses to next round:
- Mara Zora 1.1K by @AndiD
- Hiyunzari Citrine Pico by @Portalkat42
For future reference what sort of comfort score did the finalists get? I guess having the Wren described as uncomfortable but “like a sports car” is an improvement over the last challenge I entered where the car was both uncomfortable and lacking sportiness.
Most of the finalists sit around the mid-to-high teens in comfort, while the Wren had a comfort score of 6.7, the lowest score of all cars. The Kotatsu Macchia used to have a comfort score of exactly 1, but a resubmit fixed that.
That Mara is a tough little toy. Being outgunned by that seems acceptable, since my car is basically a mid-80s shoebox with makeup.
After Dave had bashed in his television with a hammer several times, it started displaying the pictures right again. He would note down that hitting things really hard fixes them. With percussive maintenance performed, he went to sit down on the couch, just as another Auto Driver popped up.
Sagdiyev 112 LE
“How interesting…another communist box. Lots of character though.” He keeps it in mind.
Slitrön Aromanzo
“Yikes.”
[OOC:This car is terrible due to a few bad uses of -15 quality. With -15 in chassis, the weight skyrockets from 1300kg up to a massive 1600kg, combined with the 60 horsepower engine, it makes it nearly undrivable in modern day traffic, with a top speed of 135km/h, so good luck getting anywhere in a 70mph zone with a slight incline. 26 seconds to 60 is also an average acceleration of 0.109 g. The average driver at traffic lights accelerates at about ~0.2 g. The slower ones accelerate at around 0.16 g, and the maximum acceleration most cars can provide lay around 0.25 - 0.3 g. You’d have to absolutely floor this thing and you’d still not keep up with traffic. It’s unsafe by its lethargic pace, and unsafe in a crash too because its chassis is designed by putting sticks together in a barn. The use of a ladder chassis is puzzling as well. The darn Sagdiyev uses standard 60’s safety and has 10 more safety points. -15 in body also reduces the pain of your weight by about 80kg, but it also crashes your reliability from some 70-ish to 60.8, the lowest of all by far. Worst part is that you don’t even save that much money from this, only around 900$, while you trash all of your stats. And you gain 17 points by having 1700$ remaining, while you can gain 17 points bringing your reliability up to average. Which doesn’t cost as much.]
Novomobil Dominix
“Well, I’ve got a few tapes I’d like to play…”
[OOC: Because of the AM radio, the car is slapped with a -22.5% interior quality comfort penalty, even though it is at 0 quality, which relegates its comfort to the back of the pack. The complete lack of overdrive also severely hurts its economy, with third-worst fuel usage as a result. Unfortunate.]
Aeon Centurion
“Interesting, but…not that great.”
[OOC:I like the concept, the execution isn’t there simply. Like an autobox in this thing with super low quality just decimates your sportiness, along with the puzzling inclusion of absolutely soulless electric power steering. Combine that with the tire stagger, and its sportiness rating of 2.2 is hardly surprising. The average is 6.6 sportiness, by the way.]
Takahashi Selene GXi Cabriolet
“GAH! DARN. I want it. But I don’t. But I also do. But I don’t. Indecision! Grah!” After a few more minutes of indescernible shouting, Dave decides against it.
[OOC: Fuel economy and service costs sank the Takahashi. It’s super unfortunate too. The sheet really didn’t like it either, awarding it 98 points, one of three calculated to be worse than the baseline. Even with 10 score for uniqueness, that couldn’t save it. Very sad.]
With tens of vaguely coherent ramblings resembling the descriptions of cars, Dave was ready to start deciding which cars would fly off the list and which he would consider purchasing. These cars are the following:
- Kotatsu Macchia by @azkaalfafa
- Sagdiyev 112 LE by @missionsystem
- SUMA M232 Camionero by @Banana_Soule
- Brockwood Proxima L by Nocturne (off forums)
- Mara Zora 1.1K by @AndiD
- Valiant TouchDown LX by @mart1n2005
- ひゆうんざり (Hiyunzari) Citrine Pico by @Portalkat42
- Fenland Rose by Tallin (off forums)
Let’s get straight in to it.
The following finalist cars earned less than 120 “Score”. 100 Score being the baseline values I set out.
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- SUMA M232 Camionero (@Banana_Soule). Eliminated due to poor economy. 24.7 MPG is good for a truck but not in the league of econoboxes. It is fairly comfortable and drivable for being a truck, but unfortunately its not enough to save it. VAI SUMA NUMERO UNO CAMPEO DE MUNDO is unfortunately not reality.
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- Valiant TouchDown LX (@mart1n2005). Eliminated due to middling economy. It’s better at 33.3 MPG, but otherwise midfield stats and two seats put it in seventh.
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- Fenland Rose (Tallin, off forums). Eliminated due to poor comfort, at 9.9 points. It has good service costs and economy, but there is better, and the reliability is in the middle of the road.
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- Brockwood Proxima L (Nocturne, off forums). Eliminated due to middling economy. 36.1 MPG isn’t all too great. Low SVC and quite high reliability are stats that push it up, but lower drivability from RWD hatch push it back down. All in all, a good car, but there is better.
…and these earned more than 120 “score”.
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- Sagdiyev 112 LE (@missionsystem). Eliminated because of standard 60’s safety. Like did safety just stop existing or… Standard 60’s includes lap belts for front and rear passengers. No lap-sash three-points, just lap belts. And not even a collapsible steering column. You could have gone Standard 90’s safety with -2 quality and be out more safe and 10$ cheaper than with standard 60’s. All other stats are excellent and I love what you did to make the old little bugger look modern and cool, and it definitely deserves its place on 4th.
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Mara Zora 1.1K (@AndiD). Eliminated because of middling comfort, safety and sportiness. You know the competition is close when we’re reverting to one-star tiebreakers to decide. The Mara (expectedly) has superb reliability, but due to its toy car size comfort suffers hard. Small size also means not too much safety, and sportiness ain’t too great either. Service costs are on the lower end of the average, but still fairly high. The Mara sweep is NOT real.
common lotto prediction l
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Mara Zora 1.1K (@AndiD). Eliminated because of middling comfort, safety and sportiness. You know the competition is close when we’re reverting to one-star tiebreakers to decide. The Mara (expectedly) has superb reliability, but due to its toy car size comfort suffers hard. Small size also means not too much safety, and sportiness ain’t too great either. Service costs are on the lower end of the average, but still fairly high. The Mara sweep is NOT real.
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- ひゆうんざり (Hiyunzari) Citrine Pico (@Portalkat42). Okay. This one was a really hard decision to make. You and the number 1 finalist are like, neck on neck. But I feel that only two seats and a tiny microcar in the big US are enough of a turnoff to move it down to second place, despite arguably superior stats in most ways compared to number 1. It looks awesome, it fits perfectly for a budget car that is not trying to look cheap. It is stylistically perfect from name to the cute styling, but in the wide roads and high speeds of the States I feel it just doesn’t make the cut. Barely.
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- Kotatsu Macchia(@azkaalfafa). This is very surprising to me. It used to be on the list for cars to be eliminated first, perhaps even binned, because of awful comfort due to completely untuned suspension. But then you sent in that resubmission, and suddenly it rocketed up to being the winner. Reliability isn’t the best, and its score doesn’t seem like it should be first, but its super stylish, looks good, it’s funky with the wheels partially covered, it’s got four seats, the interior is nice, and it’s pretty quick for what it is, with an 11-second 0-60 time, with a top speed nearing 120 MPH, all while getting good economy (45MPG) and having reasonable service costs. It’s not the best in most stats, but it sits high for most of them. It’s not perfect, but then again, nothing is perfect, and especially not for 8 thousand bucks.
With that decided, Dave heads to the Kotatsu dealership, and drives off in a brand-new Kotatsu Macchia. It isn’t the greatest, but it will serve him well as he gets everything sorted. Maybe he won’t part ways with it once everything is back on track. Maybe he’ll keep it. It’s relatively fun after all. We’ll see.
Thanks for playing!