Bavarian Rallye Challenge: The Real Deal [FINISHED]

Inching my way closer to the top 15 :slight_smile: one more strong showing might push me in there come on top 20 for both of team C2!

Definitely thought the NA cars would have an advantage over our Turbo cars here. Seems the stage isnā€™t as slow as expected.

Looks like itā€™s down to TheTom vs Ulukay for the win

I dont think there are enough bumps on stage6 so i could gain 9 seconds.

Iā€™m theorising a similar end to Stage 6 as stage 5ā€¦

Can ulukay make up 8-9 seconds on that last stage? A big ask. :confused:

Th Volvo is only in the top 10 with a margin of around 2 secondsā€¦ I fear a spanking on the last stage just like the Practice BRC :cry:

Yup, my cars hit their peak on stage 2, lol.

[size=130]Final Results[/size]

Stage 6 has been finished and it is time to reveal the winners!

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BRC results folder

Grats to the winners, thanks to all participants and especially my helpers!

Nevertheless, thatā€™s it, RIP BRC, over and out.
winning_cars.zip (534 KB)
track_files.zip (448 KB)

FInal result: 42th and 39th, The 92-H performed worse than what i expected from it except for stage 2, where it almost exceeded the goal, the 881K Znopresk performed kind of average too, still better than the Shakedown :smiley:

Damn that volvo stealing the 2nd I6 spot at the last minute.Presumably it was the lack of driveability that cost me that second I6 spot.

Now to have a look at all the secrets of the WRT cars :smiley:

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just to make things easier for anyone who wants to do the same, this where all the files go:
name - Rev - 0.lua is a platform file
name - Rev0.lua is a model file
nameRev0.lua is an engine file

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It seems that most of the secret is to add lots of power and then use lots of downforce to counter the poor driveability (as well as a couple of smaller things). The suspension is very interesting though.

ŽnopreÅ”k didnā€™t reach the expected performance in the BRC1100. The lack of a proper turbo engine to put on the Zeta have given us a small handicap that, along with a platform developed in 1984, have made the Reparto Performance projection too optimistic. The 12th place is too far away indeed. We were worried about compete as ŽnopreÅ”k in a field that belongs to Blue Marlin Motor company, and we missed a chance to show our ā€œbigger brotherā€ that we can make great and successful ā€œbigā€ racers too.
However, the excellent work made by Reparto Performance on the brand new Zoom was truly astonishing; way over our greenest expectation. Probably our gearbox and/or our aerodynamics have slowed us in most of the medium stage butā€¦ honor to the Golf1000 for the greatest result. Except for the stylingā€¦ come onā€¦ no headlights?
ŽnopreŔk have shown our supremacy on small cars, our core business. And we are proud of it.

Again, at the ŽnopreÅ”k pavillion you can party with us the 2nd place. Fine italian wine and cusine. Everyone invitedā€¦ except for people without headlights :laughing:

[quote=ā€œReaper392ā€]Damn that volvo stealing the 2nd I6 spot at the last minute.Presumably it was the lack of driveability that cost me that second I6 spot.

Now to have a look at all the secrets of the WRT cars :smiley:

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just to make things easier for anyone who wants to do the same, this where all the files go:
name - Rev - 0.lua is a platform file
name - Rev0.lua is a model file
nameRev0.lua is an engine file

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It seems that most of the secret is to add lots of power and then use lots of downforce to counter the poor driveability (as well as a couple of smaller things). The suspension is very interesting though.[/quote]

I have pulled the damn car apart, and I disagree with you, thereā€™s no secret, itā€™s just a very well tuned car, a car the makers spend so much time trying to make it go at the damn near limit of everything, seeing the engine setting will reveal that itā€™s on the edge of the tolerable beyond-the-limit area, literally, remember the crazy engine I made deep in the training or this very thread a while ago? These people made a conceptually similar (albeit, my engine was wholly unoptimised, but itā€™s both a spooling at around 6500rpm 600+hp V8 engine) to actually work well in their machines, and won. So I guess we can put all the doubt at rest and embrace the remarkable machine these people have made, theyā€™re great.

The World Rally Team will come back with an official statement later, and to reiterate our thank yous, but the first thing of course weā€™d like to say is a big thanks to Der Bayer and those who helped put the whole big shebang together. A field of over 140 cars in 2 categories is a massive event by motorsport standards, and we were honoured to be a part of it. The event ran very smoothly, and the organisation was impeccable, even notwithstanding the aero controversy which was fortunately resolved in the nick of time. I cannot speak more highly of the effort that must have gone into making this work and releasing the results in a timely fashion, as well as the presentation and collation of data, and I have absolutely no doubts as to the integrity of the results.

To address the chatter around the paddock, Iā€™d like to congratulate everybody for making this a fun, and at times slightly tense competition. While we were confident of a strong showing, a few of the other cars from independent entries proved to be a match for us and this is highly impressive. We wonā€™t hold back any secrets: As I mentioned once, the WRT is a supergroup of top end performance tuners and companies and our agenda was simply to go as fast as possible and push every limit. We have some advantages in knowledge, experience and resources, which we put to maximum use, and the results can be seen in the performance of both our NA and Turbo cars (though we were hoping that the slower stages would yield an advantage to the NA cars, though only stage 2 seemed sufficiently slow for this, given how the other NA cars performed).

Collectively, our tuning style is highly aggressive, though we stopped just short of the maximum extreme on all counts. As Casey Stoner, two time Moto GP champion said, winning a race is about finding the finest balance between going faster and falling off, and staying on that limit for the longest possible period. We wanted to find that absolute limit, so the engine was optimised for maximum power before it was made useable. The suspension is tuned for maximum turn-in but within limits that the car wonā€™t scrub speed due to too much lateral movement, or lose cornering power because of loss of contact of wheels with the ground, but we knew that since it was AWD (tends to straighten under hard acceleration) we could be very aggressive with the front suspension in particular. But the biggest gamble in the Turbo cars, and what I believe was the key to success, was the drivetrain. If you look at the top trump cards, you will find that the turbo cars took a relatively long time to get to 100, and this was because after launch, there was a period of nearly 2s where the engine suffered from turbo lag. This is because I deliberately tuned the first gear to be very tall, so I could shorten the other gears. The resultant acceleration beyond 100km/h was absolutely astronomical, meaning the car got to faster speeds quicker and stayed there better. Therein lay my major gambit for the Turbo cars.

Thatā€™s what youā€™ll probably find were the primary features of our tune as you inspect our cars. But as I said Iā€™ll come back with an official statement in response to the result later.

Congratulations to the winners, and a big thanks to Der Bayer and all the team involved!

Nice ā€œsuspension setupā€ from the WRT team. :unamused:
With that suspension, my car would have been 7 seconds faster, in Stage 6!
Although it would drive like shit in real world. But thatā€™s a valid finding for the automation team. :slight_smile:

Anyway. Thanks Bayer for making this rally.

We do not condone using the setup specifically tuned for this rally in daily driving, that is why a rally is a rally, and not regular road driving :laughing:

I am not belittling their achievement in any way with what I say and you are right when you say their car was very well tuned all around. Also, getting first and second place in this competition is truly incredible. However, when taking just a few lessons from their car (mostly what is mentioned in my previous post) and applying it to my own car I was able to transform my slower V8 contender that I didnā€™t enter into something that would have won this competition by over 15 seconds, getting 1st place on every track except for stage 2 (where it would have been 7th).

As I said though, discovering how to make a car this fast for the competition was a very impressive feat by WRT, whereas me cherry picking the good bits and applying them to my own car is not exactly difficult.

LOL
in a real rally it would still drive like a sack of potatoes. But bugusing is ok, since it helps the automation team find the limits of their simulation, and correct those mistakes.

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I am not belittling their achievement in any way with what I say and you are right when you say their car was very well tuned all around. Also, getting first and second place in this competition is truly incredible. However, when taking just a few lessons from their car (mostly what is mentioned in my previous post) and applying it to my own car I was able to transform my slower V8 contender that I didnā€™t enter into something that would have won this competition by over 15 seconds, getting 1st place on every track except for stage 2 (where it would have been 7th).

As I said though, discovering how to make a car this fast for the competition was a very impressive feat by WRT, whereas me cherry picking the good bits and applying them to my own car is not exactly difficult.[/quote]

Iā€™m not suggesting you were belittling their car. Sorry that my message turns out that way, we have problem with communication on this forums before and I donā€™t want to create another, so Iā€™m sorry about sending out the message in the wrong way.

Having a car optimised for times from trying and testing for hours is not a secret, itā€™s just something that anybody could do, but some will, or wonā€™t, it depends on them, of course if you pulled the work of those whoā€™ve done so well apart, youā€™ll see how theyā€™ve done so well, and you can adapt it to your own work, itā€™s typical thing that happens in every part of our life. And also, seeing the finished product and adapting it to your own car is easier, that is a fact, thatā€™s why thereā€™s such thing as reverse engineering, but of course, this has itā€™s advantages, and disadvantages, the latter of which I assume is the part of why there wonā€™t be any more BRC rallies.

Yeah, the car will drives like shit in real life, it understeer wildly, the winning car has no front anti roll bar at all, but it went round the track the quickest with the current version of the game, thatā€™s some achievement. Me myself, like some other people, donā€™t care for it that much, but we still congratulate the winners, it is an Achievement, something that they have achieved. Well done guys!

(No, donā€™t assume my comments reflect my full opinion, please).

Props to Der bayer for his efforts

Pretty Stoked for the Volvoā€™s 7th placing and Rx7 3rd :laughing:

Donā€™t worry, I said that stuff about not belittling the WRC entry because I didnā€™t want the post I was writing to sound like it was belittling their car. I didnā€™t think you were accusing me of belittling their car with the post before that :slight_smile: