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[size=150]2014 GRANDSPORT CHASER[/size]
The GrandSport Chaser is a rather clever sports car that has a modern, small and high-tech engine put into a body that looks like it belongs in a bygone era. How good is this concept?

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One of the most interesting things about the GrandSport Chaser is the engine. Under the bonnet there is a rather small 2.2-litre engine, but unlike normal it isn’t a 4-cylinder engine. Instead the engine is a V8 that manages to produce a whopping 300 bhp @ 8300 rpm and 197 ft-lb of torque. Somehow as well they have managed to get all of this power out of it without the use of a turbocharger. The engine powers 1250 kg of metal, so 0-62 mph is covered in a reasonable 5.3 seconds and the top speed is gear limited to 154 mph. Speaking of which, the gearbox is a huge let down. It is one of the only 6-speed gearboxes in the world that require you to shift all the way to 4th gear before you can get to the magical 62 mph, which is appalling. The engine is an absolute beauty but it is completely ruined by the gearbox. A shame.

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Sports cars aren’t expected to have a supple ride, but this one manages rather well if not brilliantly when it comes to the duty of ironing out bumps and scars on the road. The suspension setup does seem a bit weird. The front suspension is a incredibly firm setup, yet the rear suspension is a rather soft setup. This does make the ride a bit weird, but overall the car does do a rather good job, once up to speed, at ironing out bumps. At lower speeds the rear suspension still manages to soak up most of the bump, but the front suspension feels as if it almost can’t be bothered. Odd, but OK.

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The GrandSport Chaser seems to have found an area where there isn’t anything letting the side down. The Chaser, although it has a weird suspension, handles really rather well, if not magnificently. There is a lot of grip that, along with the rather low weight, allows you to throw the car into corners. This agility plus the fact that GrandSport decided that driver assists are for wimps means this car is a proper drivers car. The handling most certainly has a very nice sporty feel to it, which is good. To be honest, it could have a little bit more grip because it doesn’t exactly fly around corners and if you do throw it into a corner too fast and the grip exceeds its limit, the rear end does become loose rather violently, but other than that it is a very nice car to drive.

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This is a sports car, and along with the nice sporty feel to the handling comes a very dirty, rumbling soundtrack as you drive along. Foot to the floor and the interior fills with the sound of a very angry, high revving V8 monster. This is wonderful, but if you aren’t the kind of person who is interested in driving at full throttle everywhere and just want to cruise along the roads the engine could become a nuisance, because it never shuts up, partly because the engine is very loud and secondly because at 70-80 mph the engine is revving in 6th gear at a ridiculous 4750-5250 rpm. Thankfully wind and road noise are almost completely suppressed, however this may also be down to the fact that the engine drowns out all the noise.

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This is yet another area where I believe that GrandSport couldn’t make their mind up about. A sports car like this isn’t expected to come with a lot of equipment and also is not expected to be getting a high score in this category, however it seems as if they wanted it that way from some point of view yet from another they did. The car comes with all the basic equipment you expect in cars nowadays such as air-conditioning and your radio/CD player with USB ports etc, but it has some safety equipment as standard that you expect in something with massaging seats and 18-way electric seat adjustment, which this doesn’t have. And to top it all off, they decided that although it has tonnes of safety kit they would leave out driver assists such as traction control and electronic stability management. A mix of everything here, but overall decent.

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The interior is rather a special place to sit. There are sporty touches here, there and everywhere to remind you that you are in a V8 sports car. In order to keep the weight down the materials used in the cabin are either really special or really horrible. There are some signs of lightweight metals here and there, but there are also plenty of horrible, rough, flimsy, scratchy plastics, but overall the interior is still decent enough, even more so considering the sportiness.

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High performance in small engines usually comes at the expense of reliability, but after extensive and brutal testing the engine has shown absolutely no signs of wear. The engine is an incredibly well-built, solid lump of metal. We also believe that you shouldn’t have many electrical niggles, mainly down to the fact that there aren’t many goodies that can go wrong in the first place, except safety stuff, and also due to the ever-improving reliability of tech in our computerised world.

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Although higher running costs are generally something that doesn’t put the sports car buyer off, this car is possibly poor enough to make the buyer have second thoughts. Nowadays you expect rather surprising fuel economy from small, powerful engines. This car manages just 32.1 mpg, which, although reasonable, isn’t exactly good. Most high-200 to low-300 bhp small turbocharged engines nowadays manage around the 40 mark. The biggest issue we have found with the car are the servicing costs, which are eye-watering.

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This car would have a much, much lower rating in this category if it wasn’t for the safety equipment. The car has so much stuff it makes you think you have just sat yourself down in a top-of-the-range Volvo, not a cheap-ish small sports car. There are countless airbags, numerous special safety features and even silly stuff like AEB. The huge let down is the fact that it has next to no driver assists. There is anti-lock brakes, but that is it. This seems rather contradictory considering that it has so much other stuff that keeps you safe in the event of a collision, it just seems as if it wants you to have a collision in the first place.

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For: Wonderful gem of an engine, safety tech, sporty feel
Against: Running costs, many other confused bits and bobs that make little sense

THE BIT THAT ISN’T A REVIEW
@NormanVauxhall - Thanks, however I managed to find it myself :slight_smile:

I don’t know if anybody has noticed by I am trying to get all these reviews onto a wonderful looking website. The link is in my signature, but just in case it disappears here it is: automationreview.weebly.com/
Please note that not all the reviews are on there yet and it is WIP. Check the contact page if you want to recommend stuff.

Thanks :slight_smile:

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Thanks for the review of our GrandSport Chaser model. We have taken your review into consideration with our next revision in this series and have considered the following areas to focus on.

  1. Cost for Performance. This is no doubt going to have a major revamp for the next model. We are switching from the sophisticated suspension setup currently in use to something more simple and with the configuration we are looking to use we’re going to be able to do more with less. This should be a big treat!

  2. That damn gearbox. Really, we would love to get it out of that high-range of operation. So in place we’re swapping out the entire double-clutch sequential with a five-speed standard to have a proper, simple drivers car.

We at GrandSport truly do believe that a drivers car should let the driver be in control so unless we make something with the potential to really kill you we’ll leave you in control of our vehicle with your hands and feet so we’ll skip on the assists and if you wreck let insurance handle the rest!

Cheers!

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Hello people,

Just to let you all know I am having some very serious issues with Automation. I found that my install was broken and was told that the best thing to do was re-install it. After re-installing the issues that were there before still remain and more issues have come along with it. Although nothing is known yet there could be a serious issue with the installs, and I have recieved what appears to be a buggered one. Oh joy!

I can (hopefully) get reviews done, however if you car has a certain fixture that I don’t have or whatever else that may have cropped up I will not be able to and will have to be held back until I am able to get to work on it.

Sorry about this.

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After Utopian started bringing up the car reviews again, I decided to see what I could do in order to get things working, and thankfully I have. But first:

[size=150]WE NEED YOU![/size]
The reviewing hasn’t exactly been going well recently. My public build, as I have mentioned numerous times, is horrendously broken, meaning the way the system worked before is no longer possible. In addition, Pleb has been really rather busy with school (and the same can be said for me), so even once I have sorted out my new system for getting car reviews in not much will get done.

So, WE NEED YOU! There is no limit as to how many applicants are accepted, just let me know here on the thread or via PM whether you would be somewhat interested in reviewing. I will also be sending up some PMs to certain people I believe I would like to join, however it is entirely up to you whether you accept the invite I send to you. Not all applications will be accepted though. If I believe that you don’t suit the task, then I will have to turn yours down, but to be honest I don’t think that is very likely.

REQUIREMENTS
Applicants must…
[ul]- …write English very well, with minimal mistakes

  • …be able to write at least a decent paragraph for each section of the review
  • …be able to do a few reviews every month[/ul]
    and little else

So if you are interested, let me know.

ADDITIONAL STUFF
All of those who have sent their cars in are safe, so there will be no need to ask everybody to send in another model again. The priorities remain, too.

Thanks everybody :slight_smile:

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Hello again everybody,

I would just like to let you know a couple of things related to car reviewing.

THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE CAR REVIEWING TEAM
Before I say anything about the new members of the team I would like to remind you that you can still apply. Unless I say so, you will be able to apply whenever you want as of now until whenever. Of course, if there are more than enough people on the team it is highly unlikely for any applications to be accepted, but right now is a good time to get in there, so fire away people!

We have some newcomers to the team, two of which should be able to do them on a reasonably regular basis and one who will be specialising in other things when he has the time. The two regulars are multiplayer and engine creating king Jakgoe and beautiful car maker jhd1124. The one who will specialising in a certain something is the king of speed and mayhem (possibly because he is upside down) strop!

Obviously, Pleb and I remain, and hopefully I will be able to help with certain things and perhaps even work with others in order to get reviews out there, in particular if something special is going to happen.

UPDATED: SENDING CARS IN
Cars that have been sent in before are no longer necessarily safe. I am going to make a big change to what you can send in. Almost everybody who reads the reviews on this thread (and me included) wants to see some special reviews and comparisons. Unfortunately, that is never going to happen if I keep allowing people to send in cars from different eras. I have therefore decided that as of now only cars made for today’s market can be sent in. There is no limit as to which year you build the car in, but it has to be a car that will be sold now. Take for example, a car made in 2010. You can send me in your car created in 2010 as long as it is still for today’s market. I say this not just because it will make it easier for comparisons and special reviews to be done, but it also eases the workload as there won’t have to be millions of different spreadsheets and all sorts of other things needed in order to review a car. So, make sure the car you send in is still available to “buyers” this year.

All cars must be sent to me via PM first. Not on this thread, and not to anybody else.

Addon fixtures are allowed, but please notify me in the PM.

THANKS :slight_smile:

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i wloud lkie to be on the riweiveg sfatf. as you can see i can wtrie prelcfty good elngsih and rlealy love fdinig tnighs to like aubot oethr plopes cars. tnahk you for cdisinrenog me to be a part of your team.

Sorry…I just couldn’t resist!!! :slight_smile:

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Pleased to join! (In my limited capacity). The good news is that I also come with my own tame racing driver, nevermind that his callsign is “Crash” >_>

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[size=150]1988 Ladrillo Sport Turbo[/size]

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The 1988 Ladrillo Sport Turbo comes across as a regular family-holding sedan made for going from A to B. But the name suggests otherwise. So is this sporty family-runner from Sweden (not Thailand :stuck_out_tongue:) good enough to tussle with the big boys of western Europe?

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Well the Sport Turbo certainly had enough power to be considered a “Sport”, but the way in which the power is delivered is
what lets this car down. A traditional, laggy 80’s turbo. This makes the car feel somewhat sluggish and doesn’t do it’s
healthy power figure any justice. Almost 4 stars.

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Now this is an area in which a sedan should perform rather well, but I have to day, I’ve sat on rocks that are more comfortable
than this. They really went all out on the suspension; and that’s not a good thing. The springs are as stiff as an old man’s
joints, and that makes for a really unpleasant ride. I’d rather commute in the back of a trailer than in this.

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There is one good thing that comes with a back-breaking sports suspension: handling. This thing pulls around corners just as
well as it’s sporty European buddies, if not better. With nice wide tyres, you can be faithful that this car will keep you
out of trouble when blasting down your local B-roads. Very, very nearly a 4 star rating.

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Another fairly average rating here. The engine likes to make itself heard, and makes a rather pleasant noise, but that makes
highway cruises a bit annoying as the engine becomes quite a drone on long journeys.

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This is the Ladrillo’s main selling point. If the engine is annoying on long journeys, you have enough equipment in this thing
to set off a NASA mission, and that more than makes up for the engine noise. I’d personally want to go on a long drive
just to mess with the countless amounts of toys provided as standard.

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The interior of the Ladrillo Sport Turbo is a lovely place to be, and is at the envy of many a luxury cruiser. The lovely
materials in this car definitely compliment the amount of gizmos, and will make many people mistake this as a luxury machine.
That is, until they hear the engine and feel the power!

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This car is also a fine workhorse, especially for a turbo. You can be confident that the engine won’t explode on the way to
an important meeting.

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The running costs for this thing are a tad high, but that’s to be expected for a turbo motor. But the engine also has very
modern internals, and an electronically injected fuel system. So if any of that fails, expect high repair bills. Servicing
will also be a bit pricey thanks to the turbo.

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Another of the Ladrillo’s strong points. This thing is akin to a bomb shelter when it comes to crashes. You will have a hard
time finding a car that will do better at protecting you than this car does. Any bad stereotypes you ever had about Asian
build quality, throw them away now. Because this thing is as solid as anything.

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All things considered, the Ladrillo Sport Turbo is by no means a bad car. Sure, it has the ride comfort of a bag of bricks,
but you will never get bored in this thing. Whether you are listening to the engine note, chucking the car round tight bends,
or playing with the mass of gizmos, you will definitely be entertained.

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You lot have hit the jackpot today, here is your second review! Amazing!

[size=150]2014 DRAGOTEC SAGITTA RB[/size]
The Sagitta RB is an entry-level supercar from Belgian manufacturer Dragotec. It certainly looks the part, but does it go and is it as good as it looks?

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Under the bonnet of the Sagitta RB sits a glorious naturally-aspirated 3.7-litre V8 engine that produces a rather mighty 407 bhp @ 8200 rpm and a not so mighty 297 ft-lb @ 6500 rpm, and revs all the way up to 8300 rpm. The engine is an absolute gem to use. It is extremely responsive, it loves it rev and it feels really rather smooth. It puts a huge smile on your face. Although at lower revs it doesn’t exactly feel that fast, it certainly has enough to keep moving. If you decide that you are going to put your foot to the floor, you most certainly won’t be disappointed. Thanks to the reasonably low kerb weight just over 1350 kg and AWD, the car launches from 0-62 mph in 3.6 seconds and it keeps on going to a gear limited top speed of 191 mph. Speaking of gearing, this car certainly is a driver’s car when it comes with a 6-speed manual gearbox. There is not a single thing you can fault this engine for, but it could be said that for some 407 bhp isn’t enough. I think it is just right for this kind of car.

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This is the Sagitta’s biggest downfalls unsurprisingly. The suspension on any supercar is going to be pretty harsh in order to feel, well, sporty. The ride is rather choppy at low speeds and you can feel quite a lot of the bumps, but once you get up to higher speeds the car does settle down rather well and can become a reasonably comfortable long-distance cruiser. If you do come across a poor road surface, it can quite easily go from cruiser to bruiser, but in general it does a very good job for a supercar. One thing that is certain is that the passenger won’t be feeling sea sick when a car goes around a bend as it corners almost completely flat. Instead, they will be getting sick for other reasons.

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This is another area where the Sagitta RB excels. As a wonderful side effect of having a rather harsh ride, the car feels absolutely glorious when it comes to going around a bend. You can throw it into a corner at some eye-watering speeds and the car just seems to have infinite grip. The feel is sublime, the car is exceptionally composed, it corners almost completely flat and it puts a huge smile on your face. There is not a single flaw I can point out when it comes to handling. It feels so sporty. It feels like a proper supercar.

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Never in my entire life did I ever think I would be giving a 5-star refinement rating to a supercar, but this car is just that. For a start, wind noise and road noise are almost inaudible. At any safe, normal speed it is almost silent, and if you put your foot down, not only do you get to hear the wonderful note the sublime V8 monster produces, but you also drown out the wind and road noise that inevitably intrudes the cabin when you are travelling at ridiculous-miles-per-hour. Literally, this car has two modes. It is either an absolutely dead silent cruiser, or a roaring monster. If there was anything I had to be picky about, it would be that the engine doesn’t sound loud enough when flooring it, simply because of the fantastic sound insulation.

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Unsurprisingly, this is yet another area where the Sagitta doesn’t perform brilliantly. Although it has a number of gadgets that help you to get by and all the basic equipment you expect in any car nowadays, the car doesn’t have anything special to play about with. There are a few features that you wish came standard that rivals have. It isn’t bad at all, but just not that good. It does come with a number of sporty features, such as launch control, which does make things a little bit better. Safety equipment is, however, really rather good.

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The interior of the Sagitta RB is a rather wonderful place to sit. Most supercars go for the bare look, or something that appears slightly more upmarket and uses fancy, sporty materials like carbon fibre. Dragotec decided to take a different route, and I would say it seems really rather nice. The dashboard and centre console are covered in nice soft-touch plastics and metals, and there is even the odd hint of leather here and there. In the lower down and less noticeable areas the story still remains to be a good one. Although, as expected, the materials aren’t quite as nice down here, it does use some solid feeling and durable plastics, if a little hard and scratchy. Overall though, it certainly looks different, but it also looks and feels really rather good.

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Although sporty engines generally aren’t the best when it comes to reliability, Dragotec managed to pull off the unexpected. The engine is made from very nice and durable materials and is expected to last a very long time, unless of course you have a foot made from osmium. The car should be able to go pretty far without truly needing a service, and it should manage to go really far without needing any components replaced. As for reliability related to things that aren’t engine components, the car, being modern, should be just fine.

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If I could give this car 6 stars in this category I may just do it. When it comes to cars like these you wouldn’t expect anything more than the mid-20s mpg. This usually isn’t an issue for the supercar owner, but it is so good it could almost tempt people to buy this. It manages, thanks to clever engineering and possibly wizardry, a huge 41.3 mpg. How on Earth is that possible from a 3.7-litre monster? The one thing that put me off making an excpetion (not that I would have), and that is the supercar-like servicing costs. They are reasonable mainly thanks to lack of turbos (NOT an issue). Overall though, this almost costs peanuts to run. Maybe posh peanuts.

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Yet again, there is another area where the Sagitta RB is good. Although the other equipment is rather mediocre, Sagitta didn’t cut corners when it came to making the occupants safe. It has all the safety aids in order to prevent a collision in the first place, and if you do have a crash the structure, first of all, is very good and also there are plenty of wonderful cushioning airbags to prevent you from hitting something very hard. There isn’t anything particularly special, one of the main reasons it only just scraped a 5-star rating.

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For: One of the best engines, engaging drive, brilliant refinement, running costs and pretty much everything else.
Against: Average ride and equipment

Looks the part, drives the part, and it is very, very good. Supercar buyers, don’t forget to look here as well. This thing is, and there is no other way of putting it, epic.

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Good to see that the review of the Ladrillo is finally out! Just one thing though.

Ladrillo is the name from one scenario, the one that you were supposed to make an exciting sedan for a company that’s known for safety and brickish car. Ladrillo is Latin for “Brick”, which in turn is an parody/reference to a company that the name means “I roll” in Latin. So with all of the evidences shown, it’s rather obvious that the brand should’ve been Swedish, not Thai. :wink:

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5 stars? Absolutely awesome :laughing: Thanks for the review Cheeseman :slight_smile:

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Just something I have thought of:

NEW RULE FOR ENTRIES
Please remember that these are production cars that are being sent in. Therefore, I am not allowing any cars with production units (man hours) above 1500 or total costs above $150,000.

Thanks :slight_smile:

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hhmm, I think cars should be limitless; a Veyron probably costs more than $150,000 to produce for example? An LFA MSRP is $375,000 and Lexus make a loss on each one sold. No idea how much of that MSRP is in production hours and material costs though.

Just a question, if a car uses +15 quality sliders on everything, will it automatically get a 5 star rating or will it be normalised to the manufacturing cost? That is, are production costs taken into account? Car 1 costs $16000 to produce and does 0-100kmh in 3.8s. Car 2 costs $32000 to produce and does 0-100 in 3.2s. All other things being equal, will Car 2 be considered the better car? Ie double the cost for %15 increase in performance? Obviously there is a degree of diminishing returns, but still.

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[quote=“utopian201”]hhmm, I think cars should be limitless; a Veyron probably costs more than $150,000 to produce for example? An LFA MSRP is $375,000 and Lexus make a loss on each one sold. No idea how much of that MSRP is in production hours and material costs though.

Just a question, if a car uses +15 quality sliders on everything, will it automatically get a 5 star rating or will it be normalised to the manufacturing cost? That is, are production costs taken into account? Car 1 costs $16000 to produce and does 0-100kmh in 3.8s. Car 2 costs $32000 to produce and does 0-100 in 3.2s. All other things being equal, will Car 2 be considered the better car? Ie double the cost for %15 increase in performance? Obviously there is a degree of diminishing returns, but still.[/quote]

375000 MSRP, but you’re forgetting about the 10 years in engineering costs. Only 500 sold.

lets say the production costs were 150000$ indeed, so they earned 225000 on each car. Multiply this by 500 and you’ll have 112.5 million.
I don’t know what Lexus exactly spent on engineering, but I don’t think that covers it, and I’m not even mentioning tooling costs.

Also, the Sagitta is pretty shy on quality points, so I think you have your answer there.

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[quote=“utopian201”]hhmm, I think cars should be limitless; a Veyron probably costs more than $150,000 to produce for example? An LFA MSRP is $375,000 and Lexus make a loss on each one sold. No idea how much of that MSRP is in material costs though.

Just a question, if a car uses +15 quality sliders on everything, will it automatically get a 5 star rating or will it be normalised to the manufacturing cost? That is, are production costs taken into account? Car 1 costs $16000 to produce and does 0-100kmh in 3.8s. Car 2 costs $32000 to produce and does 0-100 in 3.2s. All other things being equal, will Car 2 be considered the better car? Ie double the cost for %15 increase in performance? Obviously there is a degree of diminishing returns, but still.[/quote]

I agree. There should even be a special price rating, especially when model comparisons can now be made better as more reviews get added. A badly constructed car can still be interesting to some consumers due to its low price.

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Well my point was it is expected that a more expensive car costs more, but currently there is no way to tell in the review whether one car is better because the user engineered it well, or if they just went crazy with the quality sliders.

Btw Dragawn I just looked at the Dragotec page for your Sagitta, nice effort! There was no way to tell whether quality sliders were used just based on reading the review.

EDIT: it is expected that a more expensive car performs better

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I have put this limit of $150,000 because it covers 99.99% of all production cars and it also prevents people from going overboard on quality, because I don’t ask for a price for the car when the reviews and going off of total costs isn’t ideal. It makes no sense to do this yet, but I will most likely be asking about it when the tycoon aspect of the game arrives.

I did say when the car reviewing started that the entire review will be affected by the price of the car. If a car is a bit worse but a reasonably cheaper than another car, the slightly worse but cheaper car will, most likely, get a better overall result.

Hope this helps :slight_smile:

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Cheese, what about you mention material costs and production units in a small note somewhere during the review? Gives the reader an idea at what price range the car was aimed at specifically.

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I think that can be done. I will put it at the end of the reviews to give people an idea. Thanks for the idea :slight_smile: