CSR 158 - Obaachan's Wild Ride

is anyone even going to read this? I guess I'll just put a spaceship here (_)(_)=====D~~

The 1995 AD38 series Adele UC

By Planar

The AD3 series Adele jumps headfirst into 1995 with three new special editions, using our new signature translucent plastic bumpers!

Themed around the elements, the Wind, Ice, and Fire editions are all only available on the UC trim and feature translucent plastic bumpers, mirrors, sunshades, intercooler intakes, trim, doorhandles, fuel flaps, hubcaps, and accent spoilers*!

The AD38 is no slouch, with a revised RX1J2 engine that conforms to Kei regulations, but puts out impressive power! Advanced safety, Traction control and ABS, and a premium interior all combine to make a futuristic car that looks, drives, and feels the part.

Available now for $14,400, contact your nearest Planar dealer today for more information and to book a test drive.

*accent spoiler is a trim piece, and doesn't provide any handling benefit.
Also obligatory reminder that this at the very least existed on the aftermarket, for an Alto no less!



image
image

13 Likes

This is one of the most visually compelling builds I’ve seen that were based on any of the Death body sets - the fact that it references a contemporary real-life trim option is icing on the cake.

Yuo forgot to ping me for my half of the Tronny collab build

Instabins

@HermannMatern Bin Reason: Naming Convention

This is one of the most awkward, fixture slap heavy designs i’ve seen in a while. It doesn’t look '90s, it has a weird shaker hood intake on the roof of the car, and almost all of the 21 fixtures feels too small for the car. The stats on it are ok for its price point, but they aren’t that outstanding other than MPG. It just has me scratching my head and saying why. (Also resizing license plates is a cardinal sin, as they are actively regulated in size.)


@kornelthegamer Bin Reason: Naming Convention

A very plain design, but it does have a reasonable interior and definitly feels '90s. The front and rear design languages don’t feel cohesive though. Learning to build out your own headlights and grill shapes will definitely help you in future builds. A low comfort score and high SVCs would’ve knocked you out early anyway.


@Repti Bin Reason: Naming Convention

Honestly disappointed that this one was a victim of not using the right engine family name, because it fits very well in to the '90s kei box genre. The lack of interior holds your design score back a bit, but it’s not just a bland featureless box. It’s a simple design executed well. It probably would’ve done pretty well too, with the kei SVC reduction bringing them down to 546.5, the second lowest overall. A very nice and realistically designed car. X3


@ScintillaBeam Bin Reason: Naming Convention

Your entry looks waaaayy too new for it to be a car from '98, especially with the LED halo headlights. Those weren’t a thing until BMW brought them out in 2001. I get that it looks slightly like the FD RX7, but with wheels that are probably at least 17s, it looks way newer. It is also on the slow end of the kei segment, which along with it using max budget and a limited top speed would’ve taken you out early anyway.


@Mikonp7 Bin Reason: Loudness

I don’t know how, but you ended up with 51 loudness when the limit was 40 and AND I mandated two mufflers. Other things that would’ve binned you early are the $1500+ SVCs, 18 inch rims, and abysmal stats for something that uses almost all of the budget. A shooting brake was an interesting idea for this challenge, but it was too modernly styled and too poor in stats to have made it very far.

@nightwave Bin Reason: Techpool

You were one point over on techpool. I appreciate the try at the interior, which does feel appropriately '90s. However, the overall design really let you down. It’s oddly lumpy and feels closer to something from 2002 than '98. You also missed out on the kei SVC reduction by 2 cc on the engine. Another case of less than stellar design and less stats for too much money.

19 Likes
Grouping 1: Cube is best Shape

❀ Hatchback Reviews

July 8, 1998.

Chihiro sat down beside her grandson Hachi at the desk in his family’s computer room. At her request for assistance in finding a car, Hachi had put out inquiries to his friends on numerous message boards for makes and models that would fulfill her search criteria. As of that day, the first batch of responses had come in and consisted of smattering of hatchbacks for them to peruse.

@AndiD Seongu Kando 1.3 GLX 12V

Hachi: "Here’s the first one on our list, the Seongu Kando 1.3 GLX 12V. That’s a mouthful of a name. Says here that it has plenty of interior space, is relatively inexpensive to run and service, and is very, very reliable. It’s also not going to break the bank being only $11,500. It looks pretty sleek and modern too.

Baachan: “It looks a bit antiseptic to me, like something that would’ve been used as a corporate fleet vehicle back down in Tokyo. $11,500 feels like a fleet ready price too. Are you sure there isn’t a better equipped higher trim?”

Hachi: “Not by what this post seems to imply. I guess this one starts off the no pile.”

(The Kando 1.3 is an ok car. It has ok styling. It has ok stats. It actually has the highest interior space and reliability out of all the entries. But it is only an ok car. It doesn’t have any sort of wow factor to it like the inspirations and other entrants have. Baachan is looking for something with a bit more pizzazz than the Kando offers and with it being only 11.5k, she’s skeptical of its overall quality as well.)


@SenseiB12 Carota Ca Primo

Baachan: “How did a concept car make it onto this list? And why does it have completely matte plastic front and rear bumpers? Is it awd or something? Or is it just dirt cheap”

Hachi: " No and no. It’s a good $2000 more expensive than the Kando and apparently is some sort of hot hatch rocket. It’s also really expensive to run, with over $1k service costs and only getting 36.7 MPG. Also it says here that the reason it is so fast is due to the “American Preference” 1.8 L engine that makes 111 hp. Also those bumpers are on all the trims, so if you wanted something else you’d have to pay more to get them painted."

Baachan: “That’s way out of my comfort zone. It also looks like it wants to murder someone, probably the driver. Definitely a no for this one.”

(There is a reason I said 100 hp was a lot for this challenge. The Ca Primo absolutely dusts the rest of the field in performance figures, pushing it out of the realm of a sporty car to full on hot hatch territory. And not just a hot hatch, a hot hatch of the mid '00s, not the late '90s like the challenge wanted. It looks completely too new as well. I get that you were probably pulling from the Ford Ka in the design, but that is waaay too new for a '98 model year car. The really low mpg and over $1k SVCs also killed its chance at moving on. You completely missed the mark for this challenge.)


@Xepy Nanahoshi Sprygor MAX-T

Baachan: “This one looks promising. It has kei car plates on it, so hopefully it’ll be inexpensive to run and still fun to drive?”

Hachi: “Honestly I don’t know how this one was actually able to be registered with those plates. According to this the engine is 665 cc, 5 over the legal limit for a kei car. Otherwise it fits in the regs just fine and appears to be fun to drive as well as economical. The only concerns here are the higher price and slightly subpar chassis undercoating, which can lead to them rusting faster than other options.”

Baachan: “Good thing my new place has a garage then. Definitely seems like a good option to consider, but I think you said there was one more option in this group?”

(I’m sad to see the oversite on the engine kick this fun little box out of the kei category. It hits all the points that a more aero designed kei box of this era should. I’m honestly not sure why it got such a low environmental resistance score with what you built it out of. It scored decently high everywhere else, though the lack of an interior did pull your design score down slightly.)


@lotto77 Planar AD38 Adele UC

Hachi: “Here’s a very quirky option for you, also with a very long model name. It also is tagged as a kei car when it shouldn’t be. It’s a bit too long to fit into regulation.”

Baachan: " Those clear sections make a fun statement though. They give it a cheerful lightness that sets it apart from the rest of the cars we’ve looked at so far. I also looks relatively nice and simple to drive too."

Hachi: “Oh it’s definitely different than the rest of the field. Those clear accents are apparently super costly to replace, as is the turbo which has a finicky cooling system that needs serviced far too often. Also due to it being a little brick of a car, it’s not cheap on fuel either.”

Baachan: “That’s sad. I thought it might be something to keep in mind. Maybe some of the other cars will have options for transparent accents too.”

(The attention to detail on those bumpers is really something. It very much hits the quirky '90s kei vibes I was hoping for in this challenge. However, the oversite on the total length of the car threw it out of the kei SVC reduction. Even with that reduction, it would’ve barely squeaked under $1k SVCs, and without it they are the highest out of all the cars in the competition. That along with garbage fuel economy and the second lowest reliability score did you in. Also would’ve been fun to see what sort of quirkiness would’ve been in the interior as well.)

❀ Cars Moving On
16 Likes

I thought mine was a hatchback tbh

Also the ford Ka came out in 1996, and the saetta concept was even earlier than that so I don’t think that style is too modern for 1998, I owne a 1998 ford Ka 3 myself

1 Like

Yours is a hatchback ye, but i have the Kei cars grouped together, so your review will be a bit.

While this is true, the aggressiveness of the Carota Ca Primo channels more of the later Sportka in how it’s designed. The original Ka would kinda work if the round egginess of it were played up for cute factor.

Ah I see, I didn’t realise the kei cars were in another group. :grinning:

Ye. I split things up to have similar cars with each other and kei cars have some slightly different considerations than the others.

1 Like
Grouping 2: Tofu Dorifto

❀ Front Engine Coupe Reviews

July 8, 1998.

Chihiro had been noticing a lot of notifications coming in while she and Hachi had been working through the hatchback options. She excused herself to make them both some tea while Hachi took a bit to curate the new options. When she returned, he presented her with a new grouping of front engine coupes to look through, the first of which taking her by surprise.

@Vento Fosselo Smontar

Baachan: “What the hell is this? Is this even a real car? It looks more like a child’s drawing than a real vehicle.”

Hachi: “The link they gave goes to an actual company website and there do seem to actually be customer reviews for it, but I agree that it just doesn’t look like a real car. It’s almost your full budget, yet it only has steelies and barely any design on the rear end. Supposedly it’s really drivable due to being awd”

Baachan: “I refuse to believe that this car isn’t some sort of internet scam. Delete that message you got the link from. I’m not paying for another computer for you if it gave you a virus.”

(Honestly I’m at a loss of words here. On paper the Smontar, whatever the frack that means, would have done pretty well, having the highest score in a lot of important stats and decent scores in others. The only ones that were particularly bad were SVCs and safety. However, the design of this car is atrocious. Steelies are almost never acceptable unless the car is the cheapest of bargain basement models or a utility vehicle. The two tone idea could’ve been good, if it had been executed with any finesse at all. The front is a haphazard assortment of fixtures, while the side and rear are almost barren of any. All of this on a car entered into a challenge with design as a 5 star priority. Vento, I know you are on the newer side of the community, and you seem to be a very competent engineer in the game. However, I highly suggest that you partner up with someone else to execute the visual design next time. It’ll work out much better for you.)


@Maxbombe & Copenmechanism Illusion Mirion

Baachan: “Oh this one looks lovely! It’s very retro, but also kinda cute at the same time. It reminds me of some of the cars from my youth.”

Hachi: " I think it looks hideous, but you’re the one buying the thing, so only your opinion really matters. It’s at least underpinned by good internals and a fairly reliable chassis. Nothing to exotic to go wrong, plenty safe to drive, and has one of the highest comfort ratings of anything we’ve looked at so far."

Baachan: " It also looks to be fairly inexpensive for what it offers, only $13,300. And it’s pretty nippy too performance wise."

Hachi: “The only downside I can really see is the sub 40 MPG value. That is pretty low compared to what we’ve been looking at.”

Baachan: " It’s designed to look like a car from the '30s, we’re you expecting something with that vertical and broken up front end to be fuel efficient?"

Hachi: " But all the other ones…"

Baachan: “Shush. The Mirion stays. Nostalgia wins sometimes.”

(Yes, the MPG of the Illusion Mirion is the lowest in the field at 33.6. It is also 1) the second largest car in the field, and 2) built in such a way that makes sense for it to have a lower MPG value due to the way the front end is designed. Vertical grills and mostly exposed headlight buckets are garbage for MPG, but stylistically they work soooo well. The Mirion is another example of how well Maxbombe can design retromodern cars. This just oozes the japanese blend of retro and technology that brands like Mitsuoka try to capture and executes on it flawlessly. Cars are allowed to have flaws and buyers are allowed to take design over substance. Great job you two.)


@kaybee Inoue Amare

Baachan: “Such a happy looking car. Hopefully it’s good in other places too?”

Hachi: “Unfortunately no… It has a kei sized engine, but is almost half a meter to long to fit into kei regulations. I have a feeling that’s what’s holding it back from scoring well in road tests. All of them seem to agree that it’s a chore to drive and way to expensive for what you’re getting. It’s also another sub 40 MPG car.”

Baachan: “That’s a pity, it would’ve made a good candidate otherwise.”

(Honestly what let you down in this build was using a kei sized engine in a car that very much isn’t kei sized. It has second lowest driveablity out of all the entries and the lowest reliability. Those, the sub par MPG, and high overall cost did it in. If you had gone with a small i4 and miata esque power and wider tyres, it would’ve done much better because the design is actually really unique and fun. Also the art you do for your ads is always awesome to see. X3)


@vero94773 Akari Saphira GSi DuoTop

Hachi: “This one seems like it could be up your ally. Fun, sporty, much easier to drive than what we just looked at despite being a manual.”

Baachan: “True. I don’t know though. It just feels tame.”

Hachi: “Tame? The Saphira GSi has a top speed of 130 mph and a 0-60 of 7.99. How is that tame?”

Baachan: “I don’t know. That performance is pretty stellar for something so small. It just doesn’t have the spice of some of the other entries. Seems to be dead reliable though. Scores better than the Kando even.”

Hachi: “It may be dead reliable, but having just looked up the spring rates on this thing, it’ll probably spell an early end for you as well with how rough the ride is.”

(I’m honestly surprised at where the Saphira is falling within the lineup. Other than the abysmal comfort stat, the lowest of the whole field, it scores pretty averagely with the reliability being the highest overall. However, the overall car just feels very safe. It doesn’t really take any risks like the other cars do design wise and while it captures a rounded Honda Beat vibe very well, it just feels simple. Simple isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but in a challenge about showcasing the quirky world of small sportscars, it can be overwhelmed by the novelty of other designs. Also, this build is shockingly crispy in fixture usage compared to what I’m used to seeing from you. I know you were having trouble reshaping the rear and side windows, and I have a technique that I can show you for doing that sort of manipulation of window shapes if you want. That wasn’t the only area of crispiness that I noticed though. The way you extended the front nose point created a huge gap between it and the headlights where the cutouts were that i’m surprised you didn’t bring the lenses of the lights out to fill it. A lot of these issues could’ve been hidden by using a non-flake paint. Yes the '90s was a time of high flake metallics and micas, but it was also a time of high gloss, no flake primary color paints as well. I get that this may have been a faster build for you or something, but it did detract from the overall scoring of your entry.)

❀ Cars Moving On
19 Likes

On behalf of Carota Motors, I would like to make a statement to the shareholders. Our poor performance in the Japanese market is not because our cars are ugly, big, and 60% American. On the contrary, it is the Japanese consumers who are wrong.

Ok, it’s clear that from the field here, our consumer here would rather have a smaller engine with better gas mileage. I would definitely dispute that I’ve built a hot-hatch rocket though. To put it in Japanese terms, a 1996-2000 Honda Civic CX with the 1.6L engine made 106hp and got 30mpg. That’s, well, not a kei car, but it’s not outrageous either. The hot hatch trims were the Civic Si (~130hp?) and Civic Type R (182hp). I very nearly did make a 2.0L turbo trim to compete in the actual hot hatch market. :wink:

Grouping 3: RR is Best Boi

❀ Rear Engine Coupe Reviews

July 15, 1998.

The next weekend, Chihiro returned to the task of going over possible options with Hachi. There were two more groupings this time, of which she decided to tackle the more unusual ones first.

@Danicoptero Tarquini Millerosa STA

Baachan: “More utilitarian plastic. At least this time it seems to be used more as a design accent instead of just a way to make thing durable. It does read oddly familiar though.”

Hachi: “Not sure where you’re getting that from. Seems to be an overall well built car though. It’s also the only convertible we’ve seen so far.”

Baachan: “What type of convertible? Obviously some sort of hard top?”

Hachi: “A uh, detachable hard top, so a targa type beat.”

Baachan: “That doesn’t feel too dailyable, but I’m not opposed to it. Also I think I know where I’ve seen this design before. Some German businessmen were in the offices a while back and I overheard them talking about a tech partnership with us and they had a diagram of a car that looked suspiciously like this on the whiteboard behind them.”

Hachi: “That does make sense with some of the concept car rumors circulating. Other than price, it seems to be about average for what we’ve seen too. Maybe I’ll be better if you wait until the Germans release theirs to consider something like this.”

(Honestly nothing is wrong with this car from a stat standpoint. It is just middle of the road on most stats and pushing the edge of realism with some of the engineering choices, such as a 6 speed Advanced Auto. The detachable hardtop didn’t really help any, especially when you had plenty of budget for an automatic one. I do feel like I know why you went that route though and it’s due to the Smart Roadster having one. It is blatantly obvious that was your primary inspiration and is a pretty good genericization of most of it’s design features. However, it being that close of a copy works against you on a design front. Yes, it’s easy to just copy a irl design of one of the challenge’s inspiration cars and hope it’ll do well. Design is more than just copying an existing car though. It’s pulling the elements that you like from existing cars, adding them to your own brand’s design language, and remixing things untill it’s something fairly unique and removed from the inspiration material. It’s a fine car with fine stats, but the derivative design and mediocre stats hold it back.)


@Aruna Vizzuri 1000 Stradale

Hachi: “This one might be slightly out of your comfort zone speed wise, but I thought I’d include it because of how you reacted to the other cute cars from last week.”

Baachan: “You were absolutely right to include this one. It’s such a cute bean of a car. And as for it being fast, it’d better be if I’m using my full budget. Look at this, it comes with it’s own custom made luggage, just like larger sportscars.”

Hachi: “I get that, but it’s also a manual and as you said, it’s maxed out the budget. Shouldn’t you go for something a bit more practical?”

Baachan: “Nonsense! I have the money to spend, and if such a cute sporty bean demands all of it, so be it. And I’ll have you know that I know my way around a manual. I used to be a bit of a rebel in my youth. This one stays.”

(Such a smol cute boi! Admittedly the Vizzuri is one of the larger cars in the competition, but it’s a really nicely thought out design and has quite good stats to compliment it. Giving the reference car to its history in the advert was also a nice touch. The aluminium construction also gives it the second highest environmental resistance out of the whole group, as well as allowing it to stay very light and fast while maintaining high marks in the rest of it’s stats. It’s a little low in reliability, but not hatefully so. A stellar build all around.)


@HybridTronny & @Texaslav Steurmann 100C Classic

Baachan: “I thought I told you that I had a $15k max budget. There isn’t really a new Porsche priced that low is there?”

Hachi: “But it isn’t a Porsche. It’s a Steurmann 100C Classic. Much smaller engine, modern underpinnings, and a classic style front end design. I thought it might appeal to that rebellious side of yours.”

Baachan: “Not really. I do enjoy sporty things, very sporty things sometimes, but the performance figures and the almost tuner aftermarket design of this car don’t really mesh well. Also it’s huge. Just look at the amount of overhang on the rear. I know it’s rear engined, but I would’ve thought something with that small of a boxer wouldn’t need that much rear space.”

Hachi: “Now that you mention it, that is kinda odd. And you’re right about it being huge. 4.23 meters long, with a lot of that being overhang. You’ll probably hate finding tyres for it as well. the rears are wider than the fronts. That sounds like a bad idea all around.”

(I just don’t understand a lot of this car. Yes, it’s a 911 clone ish. It’s hard to do much else on this set of bodies. But why would you give a car that is this relatively low powered a staggered tyre set up is beyond me. It is the only car in this whole challenge to do so. It saddled you with a really low drivability score compared to a lot of the competition for what feels like no reason. The car is also fracking huge compared to the competition and has agonizingly long overhangs. With how low to the ground it is, I’d be worried about most speedbumps dinging the underside of the bumpers going over them. There’s honestly no reason for the car to be that big, other than for somehow cheesing SVC costs maybe? Those are surprisingly ok even with the tyre stagger. A lot of this engineering weirdness could be overlooked if the car was relatively cheap, but it’s $100 away from max budget. The external design is fine, not to my taste other than the fun nod to TVR Speed 12 tail lights, but but a fine sportscar design. The engineering side just leaves me scratching my head though.)


@shibusu Saberin Soaura Lynx 1000 S

Hachi: “With how you reacted to the last car, I hesitate to bring this next one up.”

Baachan: “Why? It doesn’t look at all like the Steurmann. It’s much smaller and has a fun, rounded retro vibe while still dealing with modern bumper regulations. Seems to do much better in road tests too. And it’s just about as fast.”

Hachi: “It’s much cheaper as well, only $13k. What makes this one’s style more to your liking than the previous one though? They both give off Porsche-esque vibes to me.”

Baachan: “I think it comes down to overall proportions and how endearing the Saberin is. It just feels softer, but still sporty and almost has a birdlike front nose bit. It has character and doesn’t feel like it’s trying to be anything but itself. I just like it in spite of its flaws.”

(As with Tex and Tronny’s car, the Saberin has a lower driveabilty than much of the rest of the field. Not by much though. It also has a sense of identity that I really like, The design almost feels like rounded tatra, but not quite and really hits the marks for a nice '90s design. The only large flaws were how low the environmental resistance was, but that is a fix that only would’ve brought the price up $400, still cheap enough to keep it competitive. It also has a lot of mpg for how quick it is and for having sport tyres and an automatic. Overall a very fun and endearing car with the right vibes for this challenge.)

❀ Cars Moving On

@Aruna Vizzuri 1000 Stradale and @shibusu Saberin Soaura Lynx 1000 S

17 Likes

Heh, harshest critique I’ve been slapped by in a while! Not particularly unexpected, though. Regarding tire stagger, the shoe has really migrated to the other foot between the two of us on the issue, and I suppose I’ll just have to adjust. Really I just got it into my head that I was building a 1-liter-class, RR version of an MR2… Which in turn didn’t work with the body’s large 'hangs.

1 Like

Harshest since you sent a Buick to a VAZ fight?

Oh, that shit was a compliment

With regards to Texaslav’s car and staggered tires… would you believe this thing is RR, has staggered tires (175mm rear, 155mm front) and all that for only 70 horsepower?


Hell, that’s the 2nd gen… the first gen actually started in 1998, and had staggered tires (145/175) for a 600cc 54hp motor! That’s despite being too wide for Kei regulations in Japan, although they made a special kei version at some point as well.

So, IMO it’s very normal for a rear-engined car to have staggered tires, regardless of power (even if some of the other cars in this challenge managed it).

6 Likes

While it is common for some of them to have staggered tyres, that particular car didn’t need them. And in the smart car’s case, it has such a short wheelbase compared to width that the stagger was needed to combat its instability. The more stable, longer wheelbase smart roadster doesn’t, using 185s all around.

3 Likes

If I may add my two cents, staggered tires in mild cases (up to around 20, as it happens) is no great sin because a manufacturer might reuse the same rim for both ends. This would just about eliminate the extra cost of staggereds that is unavoidable in this game, limiting the impact to service cost increases due to the end user’s inability to rotate the tires.

Here’s the thing, I know how you feel about staggered tires and RR cars, but you shouldn’t act like it’s baffling they would be used. I made a tactical error and ended up with an inefficient competition entry, and that’s all there is to it. And just for the record - to respond to your previous comment’s speculation - the body is big for purely design reasons. I did not give Tronny any constraints on how the car should be morphed.

3 Likes

Oof, very tough judging. Not too many actual Kei cars unfortunately.
Obama-chan, I mean Obaachan has very peculiar tastes for someone her age.
She should also consider right height and easy to step into the vehicle I think, those miata-clones are nifty but I don’t think a lot of 70-some ladies will be able to enter or exit the vehicle alone.

I wanted to join this competition, but couldn’t get a decent engine with 600c / 64hp limitations.
My design wasn’t too good either!

I was just more confused as to why you used that set up when nobody else did. It didn’t seem to net you any stat gains. Now that I see you were aiming for a smaller MR2 style design, the stagger does make more sense. Also most of the cars that I ususally make that are RR are chonkier, relatively tame sedans, so that’s why my baseline is to not use staggered tyres, as well as the svc incentives.