Made with the help of @Vento
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$12,514
2009 Revven Tornos 3.7 ZL AWD for sale
110k miles
excellent condition, recent oil change and fresh summer tires. transmission and airbag recall service completed 20k miles ago
automatic transmission, this is a ZL not a ZSL. as mentioned above the recall service was done on the transmission and has been shifting better than ever.
original window sticker, most service records, and owners manual (and the cool 3.7 ZL addition) in glovebox. first-aid kit and roadside kit are in trunk.
firm price, may trade for a clean Scorpio GT370 but otherwise be reasonable!
Lore
Revven is a subsidiary of AMTjapan, previously known as RevvenJapan.
(@Atomic Skyhawk brand name credit)
The “Tournos” concept would make its world debut at the 2002 North American International Auto Show in Detroit in January. It was Revven designers’ quest "…to make the concept of owning a minivan appealing to all people, by removing the strong negative imagery associated with owning and driving a minivan. [This] meant more universal, Revven style, the same or more room and utility as any minivan, and the driving feel and comfort of a regular car or wagon.
We achieved this by taking the same shared platform as our Ryu and Revven premium and luxury sedans, wagons, and crossovers, extending and lowering it to maximize interior space while preserving ride comfort. [You’ll] also notice the amount of glass letting light into the cabin, the drop in the beltline and the twin or triple optional glass roof panels. It gives illusion of more open space to passengers."
The 2004-2009 “MVG50L” (based on the VG1 architecture) platform Tornos no longer shared a platform with Skyhawk’s C-Body offerings, instead opting for the VG1 architecture’s car-like handling, comfort, and performance capabilities.
---Platform stuff---
The VG1 and VG2 platform, known for its “front-midships” engine location, has the engine pushed as close to the firewall as possible to reduce load on the front suspension and shift the center of mass closer to the center of the vehicle. This also creates a weight distribution as close to 50:50 as possible, and enables the wheels to be placed close to the corners for better handling.
The VG1 platform debuted first with the 2001 VG29 Ryu S-series/Revven Horizon, and used as the basis for nearly all of Revven’s rear and all-wheel drive monocoque applications.
The VG2 platform, an evolution of the VG1 architecture, was used in the 2008+ Revven GT550 grand tourer.
(@rotomfan Ryu brand name credit)
(@DrDoomD1scord Pyongyang)
Applications (VG1 platform)
- Ryu S-series/Revven Horizon - VG29 code
- Ryu S-Series/Revven Horizon - VG30 code
- Ryu S44/Revven Horizon - VG31 code
- Ryu S-series/Revven Horizon Coupe/Revven Scorpio GT350 - VGC29 code
- Ryu S-series/Revven Horizon Coupe/Revven Scorpio GT370 - VGC30 code
- Ryu S55-series/Revven Horizon Coupe - VGC31 code
- Ryu SL-series/Revven Executive - UG29 code
- Ryu SL-series/Revven Executive - UG30 code
- Ryu XS-series/Revven Horizon Crossover - CVG29 code
- Ryu XS-series/Revven Horizon Crossover - CVG30 code
- Ryu XL-series - XVG29 code
- Ryu XL77 - XVG29 code
- Pyongyang Ambassador - GVG31 code
- Revven Sterling - MGC29 code
- Revven Tornos - MVG50L code
Applications (VG2 platform)
- Revven GT550 VG40X code
Specs
2009 Revven Tornos 3.7 ZL AWD
Tornos
greek for tour/tourism or lathe/circle
3.7 V6
ZL
Special sports luxury trim. 7 speed advanced-automatic transmission.
twin rear glass panels “toaster config” no retractable sunroof in front
orange leather!
AWD (specifically ZL AWD)
Helical all-wheel drive and helical LSDs
0-60MPH in 6.2 seconds
P245/50/R18 sport tires all around
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1990 LSAZ 3199 ‘Potok’ for sale by owner
Price: $4442
Kilometers: 123,456
Year: 1990
Make: LSAZ
Model: 3199 Potok
Drive Type: RWD
Engine: 4-cyl
Transmission: Manual
Selling a rare all original 1990 LSAZ 3199 Potok. Original teal paint with dark/light grey interior. Regularly serviced while in my care, hasn’t needed much beyond what you’d expect from the age.
So what is this? Well, the 3199 (nicknamed ‘Potok’ or ‘Flow’ due to its shape) is the last car developed by LSAZ before the fall of the USSR and when the company was restructured as a private entreprise for the free market. Under circumstances that are still debated, the tooling for the 3199 was destroyed in early 1992 so its existence was brief, making it rare.
This was an attempt at making a completely original and economical car for some of the Soviet population that was slightly “more equal than others,” so it’s not basic transportation like a Lada but more akin to a Volga. What makes this car the most unusual is that LSAZ took the chassis and boxer engine from their COE van and flipped it around, making this a weird body on frame rear engine car. This was all to keep the interior spacious and to give the car a very aerodynamic shape while also saving as much government money as possible on development and production costs.
The interior is pretty simple with a 4-speed manual that’s carried over from the van with the engine. Space is decent, it’s a midsize car, and while nothing is fancy the plastics, fabric, and vinyl all feel pretty heavy duty. The radio and tape deck are original and still work but sound quality is not great. The frunk is fairly small but then all the extra space above that boxer engine in the back is used by a full size spare, the jack, and the basic tool kit that Soviet cars usually had.
So how does it drive? Well, it does feel a bit oversteery as you’d expect when you try and push it. It’s not fast either, since the engine makes just under 100 hp. 0-100 km/h takes almost 13s if you really try. What is nice is that it averages 8.7L/100 km, which was definitely much better than a lot of Soviet cars at the time. There was definitely a lot of effort put in to make it drive and feel like a normal car without being expensive, so it’s surprisingly smooth and comfortable under normal use.
It’s one of the many weird cars that belonged my great uncle before he passed and he said he traded his old Mercedes for it from the original owner back in the 90s. He brought it over when he moved back from Europe and it mostly sat in his barn since, with only the occasional outing. We’re clearing out the barn and since nobody in the family wants it, it’s now ready for another good home. Asking only $4442.
Here are some scanned photos from the original brochure:
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Thanks everyone for participating in this CSR. It’s only my second time hosting the premiere challenge series of the forum, and I did not foresee the job promotion and the added responsibilities piling up. But I will get the results out as soon as I can. Best of luck to all the participants.
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Supplementary Lore
In 1993, Arlington Automotive would announce the discontinuation of their Warren brand. With few real hits to its name, the “all plush no sport” part of the company’s portfolio - so appealing back in the 1970s and early 1980s - would fade away by 1997, with Arlington and Somervell splitting the former marque’s market segments between themselves.
This, the Brigantine, is an apt example of how the brand’s paradigm simply did not work in the 1990s. The 1988 redesign yielded a car which was extremely luxurious, replete with futuristic touches like a broad and fully-instrumented digital dash, flowing interior lines, an aerodynamic front and that bold WARREN indent lettering on the rear bumper. But underneath? It was quite literally no different from the generation that came before in the late 1970s, a body-on-frame, longitudinal-FWD street cruiser. Okay, maybe it grew a few inches after the product planners shrewdly perceived that the age of downsizing was done.
And then there’s that engine under the hood. The Brigantine could be had with a corporate Arlington OHC V8 - but the Warren oldheads for some reason insisted on keeping their old, 70s-era “big block V6” as the base engine. Complete with a 4-barrel, no less. The engineers did too good of a job with the emissions controls and let this abomination stay on all the way until 1993.
So, to sum it up: An admittedly beautiful hyper-luxury yacht which was mechanically overdue for retirement 30 years ago… Let’s see what you make of it today.
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1998 Tiburon Panamerica
@Kyorg and @Karhgath
The 1998 Tiburon Panamerica was built exactly twice. As Tiburon's heydey of the 80s and 90s came to a close and the turn of the millennium crept ever closer, the Panamerica was a rebellious strike against the modern age. Built during the height of the swing revival, the Panamerica captured the hearts of the few people who saw it at various car shows and on obscure internet forums.
Styled after the opulent aerodynamically focused art deco cars of the 30s, the Panamerica concept was still very much a modern car through and through, at least for 1998. Tiburon's concept department undertook the unreasonably expensive task of making every concept produced a fully functional vehicle; the exterior may be built out of fiberglass, but every interior component is fully functional and ahead of its time. The Satellite navigation system even still works, as long as you have the old nav discs.
That takes us to today; Tiburon filed for bankruptcy 7 years ago. For the last 8 years, they've had all of their old concepts in a warehouse somewhere in Detroit, miraculously kept alive on battery tenders. Unfortunately, as money has run dry, that warehouse has been shut down, and a handful of cars from this collection were repossessed and are now being auctioned off by the government; This leaves a handful of would be buyers a once in a lifetime opportunity; the two existing models of this concept have gone on sale, with bids closing soon, and no reserve.
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Got somewhere to be?
New for 1998, Akabira's Kamui can take you anywhere. But what if you want to stay there, too? Kamui will make you shout "Wahoo!" from the mountaintops as you realize it can be your cozy home on wheels, anywhere you like!
Kamui's Wahoo! line features a fully-fledged camper on the back of your competent companion, including a pop-up loft for your beds. The full-size spare and maintenance kit is now mounted snugly inside the hood, ensuring your travels can remain worry-free.
Kamui Wahoo! can be optioned with multiple powertrains, including the powerful DZT turbodiesel motor, and fully lockable 4WD.
So what are you waiting for? Find out how much of the world can be as cozy as home with Akabira's Kamui... Wahoo!
Kamui's Wahoo! line features a fully-fledged camper on the back of your competent companion, including a pop-up loft for your beds. The full-size spare and maintenance kit is now mounted snugly inside the hood, ensuring your travels can remain worry-free.
Kamui Wahoo! can be optioned with multiple powertrains, including the powerful DZT turbodiesel motor, and fully lockable 4WD.
So what are you waiting for? Find out how much of the world can be as cozy as home with Akabira's Kamui... Wahoo!
Further writing
The Akabira Kamui is poised as an off-road oriented utilitarian SUV, with a wide variety of variations for different markets and market segments. One of the lesser known configurations was the partly-outsourced and ultimately short-lived “Wahoo!” line, meant to draw in “buyers with a sense of adventure”[sic] with outdoorsy-type appeal. What you get here is more or less an SUV with the back half turned into a camper, not unlike an old Toyota Chinook or other similar creatures. This being a DZT trim, however, gives it a turbodiesel version of Akabira’s signature boxer offerings. Combined with a fully lockable 4x4 drivetrain, it’s a fairly capable brick, even when it comes to fuel economy. However, very few were made overall during the pre-facelift run of the given generation (years 98-01) in part due to production costs, but mainly because dealerships had no idea what to do with them. The line was discontinued by the post-facelift years. Most are not in very good shape anymore, particularly due to a tendency for the pop-up roof to… pop-down during heavy rain or snow prior to a recall.
That didn’t help sales either.
This example is from the introductory year, has been well maintained despite routine use, and even has a clean title (wow!). The asking price is a shockingly low $8,980… the seller must think it’s only worth as much as the Kamui it’s based on. Will it make you shout “Wahoo!” from atop a mountain, or is this brick to end all bricks best left as an echo in the valley?
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Quick Announcement!
Hello you beautiful fucknuggets, I’ve been away from my place due to -
1/ Personal family issues
2/ Work related bootcamp
Which means I’ve been away from my PC as well for this whole last week till now.
I know I know, it’s a recurring theme at this point that every time the cock man hosts a challenge, something in his life pops up and things go tits up. I’m aware of the memes.
But I’m backeth and CSR results will be coming in soon. I promise to drop something worthwhile by tomorrow. Thank you so much for everyone’s patience!
PS: Turnover
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REVIEWS Pt. 1!
1st Round Knock-outs
I will make this round as quick as possible as cars in this round have managed to be either:
- Uninteresting to talk about
or - Forcefully quirky
onceasuper by @Mausil
This is less of a first round bin and more of an instabin. I’m gonna be fast with this.
The lore claims this once “super car” had its engine stolen and had it swapped with a 10L V8 pushing a measly 243 horsepower and relatively measly 1100 nm torque.
Forget the engine swap gymnastics for a bit, did the guy steal the fixtures from it too? There’s a grand total of 14 fixtures on the car and none of them even attempt to make it look right.
I appreciate the detail of making the car do a carolina squat since the engine is supposedly crushing the suspensions. However, just because the game let you fit a longitudinal 10L V8 truck motor in there, doesn’t mean it’d ACTUALLY fit in there. That’s not how engine mounts work. Forget the suspension, the engine would fall off the car’s guts from sheer weight of it. Even if you did manage to mount the engine somehow with the electronics intact as you showed here, a truck transmission won’t fit in the car and the stock transmission would end itself on the first gearshift.
Not gonna bother with the exhaust pipe, but what the bejeesus is this?
Are they rusted out or are they forged out of someone’s shart?
Perata Milano SV4 @TaxEvasion
This little goof is honestly not a bad car. Some glaring issues I’ve found is the sort of contradictions found in the engineering. The company could afford to put multilink rear suspensions at the back, but didn’t bother with a proper helical AWD system, used a clutched LSD like old cars instead of a helical or viscous LSD, and twin-tube dampers like a shitbox spec? Not mentioning the 2-3 race mods, they’re fine.
Suspension tuning also leaves much to be desired. The 9200 RPM limit is indeed fun but with hilariously stiff springs, 0.3 bar of pressure from the rather massive turbos tell me that if the racing version of this car existed as the lore text suggests, it would’ve been quite the catastrophe because this is basically an average German grandma’s Jetta TDi with an extra cylinder. It’s good fun with all the boyracer bits and the power is there to go to 100 km/h under 6 seconds but when it comes to other sporty bits like taking a corner or giving you a joyous experience, it falls severely flat.
It’s fun to take cars like these apart and fix the mistakes automakers made while engineering them and turn them into a more capable machine. Unfortunately, the Milano faces seriously stiff competition.
Choice quote from Jazz:
“It’s like a worse Neon SRT4, at least that thing managed to corner well.”
Primus Persua 1.2 CL young @Happyhungryhippo
I like this little nugget. It’s peak chav car. I enjoy cars like these because they’re generally overbuilt for their purpose, are reliable, built with materials forged out of the cheapest plastic but easy to replace and repair.
3 cylinders and 82 horsepower pushing this 1 ton nugget actually gets a decent fuel mileage and gets to highway speed in juuust over 11 seconds. FWD transverse 5 spd MT configuration and very simplistic electronical engineering choices mean there’s plenty of room to mod the shit out of this car.
Realistically, whatever’s left after buying this car, anyone with a budget overhead of 20k would be able to de-shittify this car very easily. And what a shame, because that was not this round’s goal. If the challenge was to make something that’s relatively shitboxy, has a charm, can be had for cheap and has tons of modding capabilities like a Hyundai Getz/Accent, this would’ve been up there.
But as it stands, the “quirks” it has like the metro-lookin ass seats, the insanely horrid hot pink/purple whatever paint, the “young” badge on the side and just being stupidly cheap on all fronts.
I know how you enjoy these rather boring cars and in this case I enjoy these too, but it’s falling under the scope of this challenge.
Choice quote from Jazz:
“Perfect for a Mighty Car Mods video. Maybe for our channel too one day… but not for this video, no.”
Pittsburgh Callahan Type S Maxi @Rise_Comics
You are not convincing me this was an official WRC contending car. You are not. Get outta here with that.
Let’s get the looks out of the way.
Headlights are about 10-12 years too new, everything else is about 6-7 years behind especially the rear end on its own. And you left the fuckoff big red beamng camera visible.
Intricate interior though, I’ll give you that.
Surely you could let it rev out 500 more revs? It actually lets the engine perform BETTER.
Torque steer, negative steering feel and bleeding edge active parts in a 90s official WRC car. Yeah buddy we’re making it outta Ouninpohja with this one.
Choice quote from Jazz:
“Hah, WRC… they wish. Probably some homebuilt race car with donor parts from other cars mishmashed together. For the 16 grand asking price, I could buy an actual Evo or a WRX.”
AVG E70 by @Djadania
The AVG E70, not to be confused by abg7, he’s still stuck at version 7.0.
Same thing really.
If the joke was for it to be a really shit looking car with semi-decent internals, then unfortunately the execution for the said shit look was also shit. It’s bad and not in a charming way, pardon my bluntness.
Great taillight housing though!
Explain to me what cups are fitting in that cupholder space other than a small McCafe cup, and how the fuck the driver is reaching that far without crashing?
I believe we have a trademark violation lawsuit coming from Moroza. I understand why parts of it is done that way but it’s a bit much lol.
This is an insanely packaged car btw. It has superbly high end bells and whistles like ACTIVE COMFORT suspension and lightweight AHS steel construction.
Riddle me this though:
Whadafuq? Why LSD?
Oh cooling flaps, I wonder what the powerplant is…
Oh…
So you have a kei car engine, in a decently large 2.4m wheelbase hatchback that’s been squished from the back, and the lore tells me this is simultaneously a luxury, eco, sportscar. And apparently it also sold a few thousand examples? And it’s gonna cost me $9889?
Choice quote from Jazz:
“I’d rather buy a BetterDeals”
I’d get the whole pt1 out right now if I could, but I am a master at ruining my schedule LMFAO. TBC tomorrow!
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Great bin round since it manages to have the right amount of salt without being offensive, but at the same time gives off lots of constructive criticism, well done.
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thank you, that was funny 
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I’m glad to see that having only 3 wheels didnt qualify us for a bin 
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And seeing that, I regret even more that I didn’t manage to finish my entry in time, even a bin could be funny 
(for anyone interested, it’s basically a mixture of Citroen BX and Subaru Forester with a turbo - with less power though; I’ll publish it some day…)
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I was pretty sure I’d get binned lol. I never said I was good at engineering ¯_(ツ)_/¯
REVIEWS Pt. 2
1st Round Bins (Continued from last post)
Shibuya Prohibition Encore by @ArizonaCaseo
Without much beating around the bush, I will immediately tell you this is not it. A decent handful of retromodern cars have been entered and this one severely falls flat in terms of overall design, cohesion, proportions and detailing.
This is because open wheelers like the prowler had a pretty streamlined body from front to back, instead of having a bigass nose that protrudes from the torso.
It actually reminds me more of the Prangler Concept car.
The rear end is not too flattering either IMO. It’s just a standard looking rear end that doesn’t really beat the “used to be a normal car that got converted into a boomer open wheeler” allegations.
I mean come on. That’s just not a line that’s easy on the eyes.
Not doing too well mechanically either. It’s just a weird mishmash of different parts that shouldn’t go together if considering the class of this car, which makes me think the engineering decisions were based on “green number go up”.
Quick tip, the engine would’ve been better off by letting it rev a few hundred more.
This is what I mean. You can afford to put something as specialized as tubular headers, but not a high flowing exhaust system?
Choice quote from Jazz:
"If I had to buy a boomermobile, I’d at least get something that makes me look cool and trendy. Also those front suspensions are giving me serious Mark Webber flashbacks.
Mara Zora Mk3 4.6 AMM Prototype by @AndiD
I will preface this by saying you should’ve collabed with someone for the design.
Nice attempt at a Cygnet. You actually went a step further and put in something called the “Ekonom V8” which I can only presume is a cheap and very fuel efficient variant of the 4.6L V8 in this tiny nugget. And I have several issues with that.
The engine is fully constructed of AlSi from the outside, pretty high tech machining.
And then you pull this shit off. I can confirm something for you right now, even if you leave the LFC pistons in, and switch the crank and conrods to Forged Light, you get an engine that’s lighter, is way more responsive and smoother for barely any rise in costs. The lightness contributes to better fuel economy too. This is just a case of “let me go absolutely basic because this is the economical option”. Well in this case, it certainly wasn’t of best value.
Mechanically speaking, everything else is mostly fine. I don’t get why you wouldn’t switch up the steering for the obviously sportier V8 model though.
I’ve driven a boosted Holden Cruze SRIV once and I can tell you, the insanely high torque through the FWD system paired with the numb and dead Electric steering would make this car absolutely unfun to drive.
Honestly for the base sticker price of 24100, this is a pretty well packaged car in the end. Like it goes to 100 fast, is terrible on fuel and servicing but that’s expected, turns pretty well too. But it has some issues here and there.
I’d say it’d at least get a fighting chance if it looked a bit better.
I mean, like… There’s not a lot to go off of and while I do like the headlights, everything else just kinda falls flat.
Why does the diffuser span throughout the whole cheek?
Absolutely boyracer looking wing for 2009.
Choice quote from Jazz:
“Shame, some extra time on the cooking pot and this would’ve been a lot better. Promising concept, not stellar execution.”
Ban Tiao Type M96 by @ldub0775 and @Vento
I sort of don’t wanna put this here, but I kinda have to.
I did appreciate the lore bit. It was funny to read and was relatively intricate.
Both mechanically, and aesthetically, this has many issues that bring it down all the way to the front end of first round bins.
I personally don’t find the design of this truck to write much about. It’s a fair bit different in its shape than the usual DongFengs, SHACMANs and FAWs. More Eastern European if you will. In terms of fixture usage and how it looks regardless of context, it’s decent. I’ve yet to do a proper full 3D build so I respect coherent looking full 3D builds and this is definitely one.
The engineering makes me feel weird about it because while it’s not exactly horribly wrong, it’s not the most believable either. I mean Chinese hybrid military truck with an SOHC V12 engine ehhhhh… We also have small cast headers with a high flowing cat, which seems like a “number go green” offense.
It doesn’t make sense to have any kind of infotainment other than basic in a truck like this but I won’t knock too much on it. It having air suspensions and having adaptive dampers with active offroad sway bars is what throws me off. It doesn’t make sense for the sort of application this truck would have unless we’re talking something super specific that I haven’t thought about yet.
Finally, we come to the issue of the fact that lore-wise, the hybrid motor/battery doth not work. If you disregard the one party trick it has with is the huge battery bank connected to the hybrid powertrain, it kinda becomes dead weight. At 14k USD, I could buy an actual used scania/mercedes/volvo bus here and there’s a possibility it’d be a hybrid 5 cylinder diesel one too. And it’d be way cooler and practical than this truck. Not to mention because this is obsolete Chinese tech, this’d be practically unfixable if something went severely south.
All things considered, this is one of the more elaborate entries of the first round bins, but it has to go.
Choice quote from Jazz:
“I’m sure we could turn this into something really cool. I’m just not sure if I could get that hybrid powertrain functioning and even then, if there’s other things that go wrong in it, I have fuck all official support to lean on.”
This is where we begin 2nd Round Bins.
If you’ve reached this far, good job. You’ve beaten the threshold and quality control check for le quirky cars and made it to the actual quirky list.
KMA KM310 XLC by @abg7
Yeah I can guess the origin of this machination from the name and styling of it.
This is not inherently a bad concept, or a bad idea at all. I do enjoy my lightweight, hilariously small engine, high output sportscars. The kerb weight on this nugget is insane at 515 kg dry. It has exactly what you need for an amazing driving experience and NOTHING more. This effectively has the p/w ratio of a motorbike with 110 horsepower, so it ends up going to 100 km/h in 4.9s while having the power of a Corolla. Low speed cornering is quite good but high speed cornering leaves a little to be desired. Probably has to do with not having any real aero parts.
I think it slowly starts to fall apart at two things, the prestige perception you get with a 3 cylinder engine while costing so much new and still a measurable chunk with the used car calculator. The other is how it looks. You’ve managed to make the fairly sexy McLaren body look bloated and pedestrian. It looks like a GTA IV NPC car at best. I hate being this blunt to an otherwise very decent entry, but I cannot stress enough how higher this would’ve been on the list if it had better looks.
I would highly suggest revising the looks some day because with the overall engineering and concept of this, this is really good. It gets insane fuel economy for the performance, probably needs better high speed cornering, super low service costs too. Comfort is low but who’s looking for comfort in an all carbon fiber superlight sportscar? 60 drivability for zero steering assists is something I find impressive too.
Choice quote from Jazz:
“It looks like it’s from a mid 2000s video game, yet it was so ahead of time with its engineering. I’d love this in my garage but I’d never be in love with how it looks.”
PlanarPG42 Genoace EX-A 2.5 by @lotto77
This cunt is very 90s 'straya-core in the sense it sort of tries to mimic Japanese cars in various ways and it has all the elements of looking good, but somehow it ends up looking rather messy and peculiar.
It has its charms and I think it has the potential to look better than how it looks right now with the exact same fixtures just proportioned and positioned differently.
You also need to do the transparent plastic bumper thing better. You either go all out and make the internals behind the transparent parts actually look good and not the default automation ugly shit or you don’t do it at all and actually retain its good looks rather than trying to make it a party piece.
Fuck you tryna do with these stretched ass lettterings?
You have a grand total of 4 lamps and 3 of them are ginormous, the foglamps absolutely don’t need to be this big. I also don’t see the point of the vent-side small lights when you already have the foglamps, because DRLs didn’t really exist in 90s 'straya cars. Like if my choice was between this and a late 90s/early 00s golf, it’d be a golf every day.
I would say the engine is fairly realistic and has respectable stats, with the quirky twin turbo 3L V8 pushing 320hp, very adequate for something as small and light as this. The single throttle body sort of clashes with the overall advanced engine and not messing with the ignition timing/fuel mapping tells me there’s still some potential that could be harnessed from this. The baffled/reverse flow combo is rather baffling too.
We also have yet another case of heavy torque steering inducing dead-feeling car with the FWD, LSD and Hydraulic Ball steering setup. Just give it a proper rack and pinion if you’re pushing this much horsepower mate, or maybe don’t make it FWD and make it a real quirkmobile. Spring tuning is definitely as default as it gets, and the car could be a lot better with a proper suspension tune.
Overall, if the looks and the small engineering gaffs were mended, this’d be a lot better of a car and would’ve made it a round above. I did not mean to be harsh by any means but I also wanted this to succeed since small hatchbacks with unusual engines and high power output is something I very much enjoy.
Choice quote from Jazz:
“This could’ve had the impact of an XR5 but it’s about as good as a boosted Barina, and that’s just sad honestly. What a missed opportunity”
Katami Cheers T-S by @bang6111
I enjoy this, I will admit. Has very Crown Comfort meets JZX Chaser Tourer vibes. The supercharger is weirdly accurate too considering how Toyota used them in the sporty models of their rather pedestrian cars.
My primary issue with it is it doesn’t look that special and when that happens, designers tend to go for hyperdetailing or at least detailing in a way that makes the car look very intricate. I’m not asking you to make me a 800 fixture car, but I can absolutely tell you this could’ve looked a lot better with more effort put on the design. I don’t think the base of the design looks bad, I just think it could’ve been expanded upon for an entry for a CSR.
Engineering is pretty accurate, aftermarket mods considered. ESC is a bit much for a taxi model, especially since something like that would be ripped out the minute it was modded to be a drift car. And honestly this is my other issue. You can absolutely retain its stock sleeper looks but if you want to introduce it as a heavily modified sleeper drift machine with that many mods on the lore page, you could’ve done a better job with the overall aesthetics. Like even the ride height doesn’t seem right for something that has aftermarket coilovers.
A Levin GT-Z Corolla for example.
But I digress. This is not a bad car overall and definitely would’ve gone further, if the competition wasn’t as stiff as it is or if there was more effort from the design department.
Choice quote from Jazz:
"There’s sleepers, and then there’s this. In no way this looks like a modded drift car. Underwhelming looks for the performance it has. I like it but I’m unsure of the value it packs.
2nd Round TBC… Whenever I can.
PS: I may or may not have had some alcohol in me while writing these, so the last few reviews may feel more like a rant. Let me know if you want more objective reviews.
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Thanks for the review it was pretty funny lol.
Yeah but nah I should’ve made it looked more clapped out instead since it is “modified” but I ended up doing like a half and half between a yakuza tribute and then be quirky modified project drift car ala the panther body crown Vic’s.
But I was working on an automation car (it’s the one that looks like it’s a car from the mid night club) at the time that took too long to do and then I didn’t have much time to add more details in this csr entry. Oh well at least I’m not binned hehe.
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Nah, I think you seem to be objective.
The only gripe I have is that maybe the small round lights on the Planar are supposed to be turn signals since I don’t see them anywhere else? But I am sure Lotto can give a better answer there.
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Taken from Lotto’s discord message:
but just for some context on the lights they’re not meant to be DRLs, that’s just what I use for parking lights on cars too old to have DRLs so I can get them dimmer lol
Thanks for the input btw!
Thanks for the review, a few comments for clarification - which may be useful on a more general level going forward, interpreting quirks / lore stuff, and separating it from genuinely bad engineering (which can be a bit tricky at times):
Ekonom is just a basic propaganda name for the entire engine family (I4 and V8 with identical bores and strokes), looks like it worked. (Mara’s 90s iron block 2V SOHC engine family is called PROGRESS because it’s, well, progress over the decades of pushrod that came before)…
Forged stuff only costs basically the same in sandbox, for campaign it costs 50m+ for forge per the engine factory, divided by the number of engines, and the car stats basically don’t change: here, a minor (+) to sportiness but also minor (-) in drive and comfort, with no change to fuel eco. So they just put a regular production engine in, without a special tuner treatment (= bespoke forged stuff).
(If, in realism terms, there should be larger car stat changes between cast and forged, then that should go into a suggestion thread on Discord, so that they can add a welcome mid/late game money sink in campaign to have the player equip all engine factories with forges to get better stats from engines with forged components.)
That’s been in the post - the base car (budget city car) has electric power steering. Electric variable might be available as a choice, but requiring +3 tech pool (so three years ahead of time), and they certainly wouldn’t put prototype tech into a one off concept car. (And obviously as well, they wouldn’t put in anything hydraulic into a car not designed for it at all, especially with an overflowing engine bay.)
Why not, so that the exhaust openers are on the sides.
Intentional, for performance division concept car at an exhibition.
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