Anything about ATS usage? CSR realism I assume is expected so anything that can be changed in the engineering should be disallowed?
Extended Explanations, Clarification and Transparency
RIGHT!
I’ve been asked many questions for the sake of clarification over the last day or so. As your host, and as the host of a very outlandish round in a long time, I have my responsibilities to make this experience as smooth as possible. This section is dedicated to clearing up some extra questions people had, things that I couldn’t clarify myself due to time crunch or simply because the main thread was becoming too convoluted or complex.
Posting discord screenshots because I’m lazy as fuck!!
Unconventional Wheel Configurations
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Which means, I’m allowing anything like these:
Advanced Trim Settings limitations
In other words, I do not care if you use ATS to the moon. If this is what you need for your intended build, that’s fine. Yes CSR realism, but this is also a very open round. I understand having to open up ATS limitations for this one.
Scale of Quirks and Features and Checklist Prioritization
In other words, it was a nearly impossible task to implement an objective quirks scale in this round while following the CSR formula even loosely, so instead it’s a benchmark. Once you pass a certain threshold of quirky, you’re in and from then on, you’re judged against cars of similar types and/or similar niche.
Also definitely do not try to clear multiple niche all at once and failing at all of them badly, covering one single point in the checklist very well will give you a much better subjective score from me.
Reliability, Env. Res, and HOW they are perceived at the time of submission
This is important
Reliability and Env. Resistance are scored linearly in this round.
I won’t reveal the exact breakpoints you can just peek at the spreadsheet formula
but basically you can follow this:
Reliability
- 100-91: Mechanically pristine condition.
- 90-81: Very minor mechanical wear.
- 80-71: Minor mechanical issues, generally reliable.
- 70-61: Noticeable wear on mechanical parts, requires frequent maintenance.
- 60-51: Moderate mechanical issues, parts may need repair or replacement.
- 50-41: Significant mechanical wear, requires quite a bit of maintenance and repairs.
- 40-31: Major mechanical issues, multiple components need attention.
- 30-21: Severe mechanical problems, requires extensive repairs.
- 20-11: Very unreliable, frequent breakdowns, major components failing.
- 10-5: Non-functional, FUCKED if you will.
Env. Res.
- 100-91: Zero body damage or rust
- 90-75: Very minor wear.
- 74-65: Minor cosmetic issues, small rust spots or light body damage.
- 64-48: Somewhat rusty or minor body damage, some cosmetic repairs needed.
- 47-40: Moderate-ish rust and body damage, requires some bodywork.
- 39-35: Significant rust and body damage, needs extensive body repairs.
- 35-25: Major rust issues, large areas of body damage.
- 24-16: Severe rust and body damage, structural integrity may be compromised.
- 15-11: Very poor condition, extensive rust and damage, needs major restoration.
- 10-5: Complete rust out, body is beyond repair. Or FUCKED.
Other points, and more SUV/Utility inspirations
This section might be edited in the future to accommodate more questions
Alright so…
Damn before I could finish writing…
I could’ve added offroad and utility as two more weighted scoring units in the spreadsheet. But what that did was fuck over any other types of cars in their pricing. And selectively determining whether a car is offroad/utility focused or not be it from my own assumption or the creator’s input doesn’t really leave a lot of room for fairness in some regards.
This is where I have chosen to have some opaque, subjective judging, like a traditional CSR round.
Because what I have found from my own testing is, if you’re building utility/offroad focus vehicles, you’re making sacrifices in many other places that does increase your costs unless you’re going cheap as shit
And let’s be honest, time and time again CSR has proven stats don’t mean everything
You can have the highest performing car in a round in terms of numbers, but if it reeks of cheese you WILL get dinged. So in the end, it really does just come to subjective preferences. So I would recommend not worrying too much about raw stats that are not being weighted. This round is more about how you execute your visuals, and in extension, execute your design to support the wacky engineering.
I do hope I’m getting the message across.
Utility Inspirations
I hope this answers everyone’s questions???
Ah one more thing, the calculator is still being tested, in beta phase if you will. So if anyone feels it’s borky, has issues, isn’t being fair, the linear scores are nonsensical, then let me know.
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is it ok if it doesn’t pass emission standards?
Never. Simple as that.
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I have one more question.
Why do they call it Deals when you of in the Better Deals of out hot eat the Deals
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I’m thinking of submitting a tuned, coachbuilt version of one of these… Or an updated version of this one. However, I know that if all else fails, I could submit something else in place of either of those.
I can see this being a confusion point for a lot. despite me explaining it
So if you look into the spreadsheet, you will see after putting down your reliability and env. res. numbers, the calculator spits out a score on the right hand side, left to the gearbox selector.
THIS is your reliability and env. res. score that I will be using.
Of course the table I included there doesn’t 100% represent all sorts of cars and situations since everything is different, so how the lore for them reads on your end and how I represent it in the reviews on my end is something we both have to figure out on the go.
Thanks for reading!!!
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For road legality, are closed pop-up/hidden headlights fine?
I’m assuming they are always legal, even when retracted.
Never been an issue, so that’s fine.
I went to the trouble of copying the main sheet, with each one showing the stats for a different potential entry - a worthwhile step for anyone unsure as to exactly what they want to enter here, if they have at least two options available.
Did I miss a techpool limit?
monter tuck?
What is your view on interior judging here? I can see not caring about them in a normal CSR, but sometimes the interior is a big part of the car’s quirkiness. Look at any pre 90s Citroën just to have a still rather common and relateable example.
I’m not sure if Jazz wants an actual monster truck - there’s already another challenge for that here.
They wouldn’t be required, although a particularly quirky 3D-fixture interior would grant a small bonus if fitted.
Hello, I’ve been away for a bit, had to deal with some IRL shenanigans. I will quickly answer some questions now, and then I’ve something to post and once that’s done, I will officially open up the round for a month!
If it looks road legal, I’ll accept it. I will however require you to set the suspension height as high as you possibly can or until the game bugs out before you resort to Advanced Trim Settings.
Interiors will be included in the judgement if it’s a part of the design. A car where most of the quirk comes from engineering and exterior design side, it’s pretty much a bonus if you add them and won’t really be judged. If what you’re doing is partially or fully dependent on the interior, then yes it will be weighed during the overall design judgement. Whether or not you need the interior is your own call. Ofc, anyone is free to consult with me beforehand.
Technically, correct. A full blown monster truck by itself and no changes made to it is a shit car to own for any of the usecases. But if it had say… adjustable suspensions or a way to use its height as an advantage… you get the idea.
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Final Notes, Opening the Round and Sample Submission Style
Some last words before I open up the round
If you’re thinking HEY deliberations ended like 2 days ago, then you’d be correct. However I’ve been a bit busy with some IRL stuff. Google Bangladesh Government if you’re curious. Returning to the country for a bit was absolutely worth it to be a part of this.
Want to thank everyone who helped me find out the issues with the calculator and asked many questions about what and how to submit cars in order to make the challenge more accessible and interesting for everyone.
I had not a lot of expectations for this one and was on the fence about hitting the post button, but it has been rather great and I am grateful for that.
AH!
Nearly all of you have YET to notice something that I have not talked about in this round, that’s usually mandated in other CSR’s or just most other rounds in general. TLDR, I’m allowing the use of different alternatives in this case, and unless it makes zero sense for your particular car, you won’t get dinged.
Obviously I won’t reveal it, and I suggest others to not reveal it as well once you realize what it is, so it stays interesting.
Submissions Are Opening!!!
Here we go, from this point on, CSR 163 Submissions are open.
One small change I’m allowing myself before I do so, you’ll be allowed A SINGLE RESUBMISSION before deadline finishes. 3 Resubs was way too generous and ambitious.
Submission Deadline: September 6, 2024. 12 AM (UTC+10)
Naming Convention: CSR 163 - [forum username] as the Engine Family and Car Model name.
Engine Variant and Car Trim are free.
Extensions: In case of entry droughts or delays caused by late deliberation or update patches, there will be extensions provided as necessary.
LINK TO THE USED CAR PRICE CALCULATOR
Sample Submission
IMPORTANT: This is roughly the bare minimum I expect from people both in terms of the build and the ad. Like I cooked both the writeup and the car itself up in 30 mins. Surely this much effort is warranted at least. And no you don't have to have a huge word count. Just explain the gimmick to me dammit
Selling a 1994 Tegaru Ninja Nomad
Selling my beloved 1994 Tegaru Ninja Nomad. A truly unique super-compact camper van with minimal footprint, packed with practical features for your off-grid adventures.
Under the hood lies a fuel-efficient 1.3L three-cylinder engine mated to a 5 speed manual transmission, delivering an impressive 5.9 liters per 100 kilometers fuel economy - perfect for those extended journeys into the wilderness where gas stations are few and far between.
With a pop-top roof that’s not just stylish but also insulated, you can stargaze in comfort as you unwind after a day of exploration. Two convenient rear doors provide easy access to the cabin for those late-night campfire sessions or impromptu adventures.
This particular example is also equipped with the rare Manual Locking Diff option so you won’t have a hard time with mud provided you don’t drown in it since it’s so small.
Great for parking around in tight spaces. Used it as a daily, parts don’t break easily and they’re really cheap to fix or replace. Great for highways as well since it gets up to speed in 10 seconds. Fits me in the back, albeit it’s not ideal but I’m a small person and I can make it work just fine.
Used to cost not so much when new, but now it holds a bit of a reputation in the JDM community for being such an oddity. Only asking $3200 for this one, light wiggle room for negotiations.
Send me a text if you’re interested, will not respond to messages asking if it’s available. Cheers!
And that is all. If I’ve missed anything at all, give me a shout pls thanks bye.
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Would you accept fake convertibles if the particular body has no convertible option and someone decided to cut the roof off?
It could be accepted, with the ad stating that it was an aftermarket conversion and not an official one.