CW8 - Young and Dumb [OPEN]

CW8
Young and Dumb

One week of rule deliberation (TILL 12TH JUNE)
CW Submissions will still be accepted and put on the wall

Brief

2025
Allow me to introduce Lukas Vogt , a young twenty something driving enthusiast from the Black Forest region of Germany. Having honed his skills on winding mountain passes in his beloved ND MX-5, he now finds himself craving something that delivers… A bit more.

Lukas already has a daily car, a simple VW Polo to make longer and more boring trips between places. The new car would be replacing his “weekend” car, currently the ND MX-5.

Rules
The challenge is on stable
Techpool $50m max, no negative areas.
Max price - See calculator
Trim and Variant year 1970-2020
ATC may be used apart from to drastically change wheelbase
At Least 2 seats
No race tyres, Radial only, semislicks allowed
All body styles allowed
All drivetrain layouts allowed

Emissions and Fuel type:
1970-1979: WES 6
1980-1989: WES 7
1990-1999: WES 8
2000-2009: WES 9 (WES 8 for OHV engines)
2010-2014: WES 10 (WES 9 for OHV engines)
2015-2020: WES 11 (WES 9 for OHV engines)
Unleaded fuel (91, 95 or 98 RON) required; bonuses/penalties are as follows:
91 RON: Small bonus
95 RON: No bonus
98 RON: Small penalty

Penalties
Must have Headlights, taillights, correct size rear license plate, wiper(s), mirrors. If not, a small penalty for each missing item.
Race parts will incur a small penalty.

Priorities
Coolness /40 - see “How it works”
Driveability & Sportiness /20
Reliability /10
Cost & SVC /5
Comfort, Safety, Fuel Economy & Prestige /2

How it works

Coolness will be evaluated on a scale from -20 to +20; -20 is the “uncoolest” and +20 is the “coolest” on this scale. Other categories are worth up to 10, 5, or 2 points. For each category, the best car gets the highest value, the worst car gets the lowest one, and all other cars will have their value assigned in relation to those, rounded to the nearest tenth. For example (as seen in previous CWs):

The Trans Sport is the most practical and gets 10 points for practicality; the Seville, being the least practical, gets 0 points. The Astra’s practicality, being 1/3rd the difference between the best and worst cars in that regard, is 3.7. But what if we throw in a fourth car into the mix, in the form of a 2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse?

Again, the Trans Sport scores 10 points. This time, however, the Eclipse has the lowest practicality and gets 0 points. Meanwhile, the Seville’s score is now 4.4 (2/5ths the difference), and the Astra’s is bumped up to 6.6 (3/5ths the difference).


I'll say this now, this is RULE DELIB. Calculators may change, rules may change. I will update the CW with posts regardless though.

Ive tried to make a bit of an interesting calculator, try not to break it. If you think something is weird or unfair let me know and I’ll try to take it into consideration and tweak it.

MAKE A COPY OF THE SHEET PLEASE

CW8 Cost Calculator - Google Sheets

Entries will be accepted from 12th June - 13th July

Naming convention:

Model: CW8 - Name
Trim free
Family: CW8 - Name
Variant free

Please include the actual price (from the calculator) in the ad for your car. This would help me out a lot.


5 suggestions max, if someone posts a car that has already been posted that still counts as a suggestion and is used up.

Yes, I’m borrowing bits and pieces from previous CW challenges, I still might end up missing pieces here and there though so throw some comments out there.

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This is the sum of trim and engine tech pool values, but negative tech pool allocations in any given area should not be permitted.

Seems a good start so far. Everything’s straight to the point, in a good way.

Are you accepting CW submissions via DM? If so, I would recommend against this (or vice versa) since that makes it very possible for people to unknowingly submit identical cars, without having any way of knowing it.

Also, how many points is coolness itself?

You know you can just lock the calculator so we can’t break it before we copy it, right?

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Aside from that, here is my wall of suggestions and shit like that.

  • Semi-slicks aren’t race tires, right?
  • The calculator says model year; should it say trim year?
  • The combined number of points you can get from stat categories is 41. The entire range of the cool wall is 40. Compare it with my CW: There were 75 attainable points in the stats. While the CW is an important part of the challenge, cars should still be judged largely by the engineering.
  • The calculator leaning on bad reliability to reduce cost - both of which being 5-point preferences - is a little bit gamey. A car that minimizes reliability to maximize affordability could get too high scores in stuff like drive and sportiness…Making one or both of those more crucial could help remedy this
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I agree here, CW suggestions should be open while still being suggestions, no DMing.

Anyway, here is my first suggestion to get the ball rolling:


1994 Lotus Esprit S4

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Honestly, it makes narrative sense here for coolness to be more dominant here, since this is seems to already be a purely irrational, “fun” car being bought. And while in my own guide I did say the stats should be just as important, I also would support experimenting with coolness being more dominant and the stats being secondary.

Though if that’s not an experiment/narrative you’re going for, then yeah it’s worth considering either devaluing coolness or boosting the empirical stats.

I’ll add a couple of cars to the cool wall to start.

TVR Sagaris

Chevrolet Corvette C6

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My 5 suggestions are as follows:

Ferrari F355

Porsche 911 Carrera (993)

Honda/Acura NSX (NA1)

Dodge Viper (SR 1)

Lotus Elise S1

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Gonna put some here as well
Aston Martin V8 Vantage

Mazda RX8 (yes, it is a cool car)

Nissan 370z (bonus points if Nismo)

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Mercedes CLK GTR

Vector W8

Porsche 911 GT1

How can you go wrong with these beautiful monsters?

2022 Toyota GR86

2003 Honda Integra

2018 Kia Stinger

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Daihatsu Copen Gazoo Racing

Alfa Romeo 4C

Ferrari 458 Italia

Mahindra Pik-Up Karoo

Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG

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I don’t know why you’d jump to that conclusion, is the same as always, post it in the thread, I’m just trying to get people to read other people’s posts to make sure there aren’t duplicates, I don’t want to have to sort out who has an extra submission because it was taken or not.

Correct, semislicks are allowed. Radial only, not radial race.

I didn’t know if I was allowed to make sportiness or something worth 20, but that’s what I originally had so I’ll move some things around again.

Indeed that’s why I’ll buff those other scores up a bit. Reliability is still important, so I doubt someone is going to sacrifice a big stat here for another big stat. Maybe I’ll shuffle it up to the top priority as well? Its also why I added a bottom end for the calculator, because I suck at maths just so there isn’t major cheese

Yes I’ll add that.

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Some cool Wall submissions:

Lexus LC 500

Lexus RC F

Acura NSX Type S

Porshe Carrera GT

Ferrari Enzo

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1970 Shelby Mustang GT500

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Toyota MR2 Gen 2


Caterham 21

Porsche 924

Lotus Elan (M100)

Toyota Sera

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Thanks for all the submissions for the wall so far, I will add them in around 8 hours time hopefully, potentially before. Currently my setup is in pieces while I pack it into the car to travel for racing this weekend. I will try to stick to the suggested updating once per day, bear with me!

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Borrowed a laptop to do the edits on, CW is edited in the original post.

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KTM X-Bow GT-XR

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