i just want to ask. have any of you ever lives in a modern muslim heavy society for a prolonged amount of time?
i feel that, this misogyny thing is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY over bloated than you think it is. exceptions do exists, like those countries that still has “Black Moving Object”, even then that’s like only what, <3% of the muslim population in the world (that alone implies you’re objectifying a women tho? i digress)
also children don’t need to be thought tolerance. children needs to be stopped from being shown examples of intolerance. i never found any little kid that’s racist, except when their parent is VERY much so.
Fair point, why teach tolerance when you can prevent intolerance
At the same time I do think if someone only grows up around one kind of person they will naturally be suspicious of any other people. So a combination of intolerance prevention and a diverse environment is probably the way to go.
I’m sorry but this just screams petty from where I’m standing. If someone walks up to you and ask you something it would be polite to answer. Behaviours like this are what ultimately leads to further division. I understand that it might be a cultural thing but I see these little things as fuel to hatred and exclusion.
The mainstream media is always looking for a story, and sometimes the truth isn’t all that interesting or worth reporting on, so they have to create headlines that may divert from the actual situation.
In terms of refugees, I can understand when citizens are concerned about outsiders flooding in to hog their resources in some instances, but I cannot see how it applies to the United States. This is a country that was built on immigration, from the original influx of Europeans, to the shipping of slaves from africa, to the harbouring of Nazi scientists after the fall of Nazi Germany, to the influx of Mexicans to mow the lawns and do the plumbing that the “regular” people do not want to do. But what, ban Muslims? Ban those people that are suffering from the after effects of America’s forced involvement in their own country which I suspect would be viewed as terrorism from their perspective as well. The US is a primary contributor to all the issues the world is facing, the Muslims aren’t the problem.
It may help to understand that the Scandinavian societies appear to be an almost completely homogenous population (sure, minorities such as Ram exist but my impression is that it’s something like 98% not that?) Collective stoicism and introversion works in a uniform population. This may also explain why there a) have been problems in some of the countries and b) why some assumed it was the same for all of Scandinavia.
Actual Scandinavian people, please correct me if I’m wrong!
Time to go watch The Great Wall
(Also the plot device of Naruto, Watchmen, etc. Etc.)
@strop Yes, my outlook is defeatist in a way… but I don’t see humanity ever ending. Rather that never-ending suffering seems to be what humanity is most of the time.
I didn’t vote at all, but I did consider him as possibly being the lesser of two evils. At the very least because he wasn’t actually a politician at the time. It was almost as if voting for a third party had any chance of winning, lol.
Yes, sometimes the difference is only in action, rather than thought or intent; that is true.
As for valuing someone based on their particular characteristics… unless you religiously practice “all humans are inherently equal”… I’d say that’s normal. I know we’re talking about slightly different things though.
@Sillyducky Tolerance is a double-edged sword when pushed. While tolerating differences is mostly a good thing… when it gets too politically correct, tolerance can become a very bad thing, such as when violence is tolerated because of a cultural or religious background. For example, we tolerate things like circumcision; when that is basically mutilation. No one cares, but personally I find piercings odd/wrong; even ear-rings.
@doncornaldie While the US can potentially be blamed for some terrorist actions these days because of our previous meddlings… it did not create the Islamic culture. Though Reagan showed heavy support for it back in Afghanistan… but that’s another discussion. America’s hand is mostly in the funding and access to weapons department, rather than the cultural movement, I think.
I don’t know much about Scandinavian societies honestly, but social attitudes like that would be a source of conflict in my opinion. But as a human being, I believe certain fundamental principles must be acknowledged in order to have peace.[quote=“KA24DE, post:105, topic:18797”]
While the US can potentially be blamed for some terrorist actions these days because of our previous meddlings… it did not create the Islamic culture.
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The US didn’t create Islamic culture and yes I acknowledge that certain Islamic beliefs can be seen as extreme, but one could argue that same point about Christianity, for example… The Eve vs Mary dichotomy back in the day that led to the slaughter of many women seen as witches… However, What the US did was to create the void needed for the rise of extremists groups, that fueled the rise of domestic and international terrorism.
@KA24DE I do see where you come from on this and as a pretty passive person I think any violence should be avoided. Gender and racial tolerance are fine but religious tolerance is a gray zone. To me it’s ok to me Muslim or Christian or anything as long as it’s not some violent fringe group. I tolerate even the most devote Muslims but as soon as it becomes some ISIS shit that’s the end of the line. Also, extremeism happens in any religion, just lately more so in Islam.
@doncornaldie and @Sillyducky
Oh yes, many if not all religions have caused extreme amounts of pain and suffering in the world; especially to women. In general, I consider it the most detrimental invention ever made by humanity. Sadly it can not be fought against, nor reasoned with. In essence; we have created a God.
This I agree with 110%. Some of the most significant wars throughout history were religion related. But I do think religion is needed for those who need a moral doctrine to be guided by.
Anyway, I have to say that we collectively have touched pretty much every sensitive subject here, and it didn’t devolve into a shit-show. That’s amazing for a forum. Well done everyone.
well what it boils down to.
we used to see religion as an answer
now we see them as a problem, and a leftover from the ages when education was hard to get
Hell, it’s still hard to get. Sure, public schools are free up until high school, but as I’m sure you’ve noticed at times… they don’t help much. Anything above that isn’t free, and isn’t cheap.
I’ll briefly introduce a new dimension to this: my belief is that we ought to behave as truthfully as possible. This is of course qualified by limitations on the nature of truth, but that’s as far as I’m going to go right now on both the topics of deontology and epistemology
Simply stating my argument: The crucial issue here is that I believe that people pointing fingers along lines of ethnicity etc. are not behaving consistently with a most accurate understanding of our nature, therefore are counterproductive to our greater good. If we value humanity as a whole it would then be our (overall) duty to correct this. Devil is in the details but that’s my overall position statement I guess!
Just gonna put this here for contemplation…of the 60 new recruits including myself into the French military 2 are athiests 15 are christians 1 nihilst 10 are other (jehova witness etc) 32 are muslim… and all of us are immigrants or refugees…take from that what you wish. But it looks like we will be deployed in syria or iraq…now i wonder how many muslims make up the US forces? Back home in Aus its around 15%… PM’s and Presidents dont care what color or religion you are when you are doing thier dirty work…fuck trump fuck all aussie politicians (ignorant silver spoon fed assholes that have never had to live week to week and think most aussies families make over 60k a year) & fuck telstra… viva la france
