FITE ME 4! (entries closed, scrutineering in progress)

NormanVauxhall · 27 August 2023 11:45

Looking forward to the next phase! (if I survive )

strop · 22 September 2023 13:54

Next Update!

After a lot of faffing around, I finally completed the 00s scrutineering. There were, uh, a few illegal entries and quite a lot of penalty points going around. Those of you that have legal entries with 0 points, you can be fairly confident your car will be driven. As for the rest, well, I have some tallying up to do.

I hope to get the 10s done over the weekend and then some final decisions announced, because after that, I’m going to have a baby in my arms so the driving stage will probably proceed at a similarly slow pace, but at least the exports will be safe from the upcoming update rolling over from Beta!

Edit: further to my previous post, the tally for the 00s so far:

Total entries: 12 (not including my “real car” benchmark)
Total illegal entries: 2
Entries with penalty points: 4
Entries that are both illegal and have penalty points: 1

As I am entering 8 cars into each category, I also need to look at the data and figure out what the greater collective sin is. Given the focus is mostly on tyre vs power and weight distribution dynamics, most likely things like too much/little power, too much tyre, and too much downforce will be the biggest things to watch out for. Buggy things like the brake fade changing from 0 to 0.1% when exporting should matter less if the brakes are sufficiently ventilated. In some circumstances if someone’s made a particularly idiosyncratic high budget choice which has no meaningful impact on performance, that mightn’t be too much of an issue either. Stay tuned for decision making!

Meanwhile I’ll press on and knock out the 10s category now.

strop · 24 September 2023 09:21

Nothing like impending fatherhood to motivate me to finish the initial stages of this project!

All of the entries have now been examined. I shall present the raw data for checking shortly. Open disclosure: in the process of checking, some of the entries have presented to me ways in which the rules have been a bit redundant or unfair if applied by the letter (for example, why is 1 wing/spoiler and 2 lips allowed, but not 3 lips, when wings and spoilers are far more effective as a Automation fixture than lips). In other cases there are bugs (0 brake fade somehow becoming 0.1% brake fade on export). For these matters there have been workarounds. Some of the entries fell afoul of porting from one challenge to another and were simply too illegal to be rectified for this challenge.

First up, here is the data from the 90s entry, the biggest roster.

Username	donutsnail	HowlerAutomotive	xepy	Vento	Conan	abg7	mart1n2005	NormanVauxhall	Tsundere-kun	Riley	AndiD	Ludvig	Happyhungryhippo
Model Name	Turból j30 v6 24v Evo	Howler Wraith H	Kaufmann Vier GT-S	Clari Vifrayon	AG Type C 4.0	TSC Thunderwolf V8 5.0 GT	Knightwick pulse rwd test	BMMA Dolphine Sprint-R	TBR Arcana	Zephorus RS20 C	Mara Kavaler Mk2 4.6 AMM	Howler Wraith H	Primus Merit C320s
Decade	90	90	90	90	90	90	90	90	90	90	90	90	90
Model Year	1990	1990	1990	1992	1993	1995	1996	1996	1996	1997	1998	1998	1999
Wheelbase	2.54	2.42	2.39	2.44	2.28	2.69	2.42	2.48	2.27	2.23	2.69	2.8	2.7
Panel Material	Steel	Steel	partial alu	partial alu	Steel	Partial Alu	Partial Alu	Partial Alu	Fibre Glass	steel	Partial Alu	Partial Alu	Treated steel
Chassis Type	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque
Chassis Material	galvanised steel	Steel	steel	galvanised steel	Steel	Corrosion res. Steel	Steel	Galvanised Steel	Corrosion res. Steel	Steel	Galvanised steel	Galvanised steel	galvanised steel
Engine Placement	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal
Front Suspension	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	macpherson strut	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone
Rear Suspension	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	multilink	double wishbone	multilink	double wishbone	multilink	double wishbone	double wishbone	semi trailing arm	Multilink	Multilink
Chassis Tech Pool	5	9	5	5	10	5	5	5	8	5	8	7	5
Engine Year	1990	1990	1990	1990	1993	1995	1996	1996	1996	1997	1998	1998	1999
Block Layout	V 60	V 60	inline	V 60	V 90	V 90	inline	inline	V 90	inline	V 90	Boxer	V 60
Cylinders	6	12	4	8	8	8	4	6	8	4	8	6	6
Block Material	Cast Iron	aluminium	aluminium	Cast Iron	AlSi	AlSi	aluminium	AlSi	AlSi	AlSi	Cast Iron	AlSi	Aluminium
Family Capacity	2497	4998	1998	3726	3992	5000	1998	4103	4997	1997	4580	3700	3498
Head	DOHC	DOHC	DOHC	DOHC	Push Rod	DOHC	DOHC	DOHC	Push Rod	DOHC	DAOHC	DOHC	SOHC
Valves	4	4	4	2	2	4	4	4	2	4	2	4	4
Block Tech Pool	10	15	8	5	5	5	5	5	8	5	8	7	6
Internal Tech Pool	0	5	5	5	0	5	5	5	0	5	4	2	6
RPM Limit	7900	9300	8000	7600	6600	7000	7000	8100	6200	9000	6500	7900	6800
Valve Tech Pool	10	2	5	5	10	5	5	5	6	5	6	6	6
Aspiration	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated
Turbos	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Boost
Boost limit
Inducer
Exducer
Turbo Tech Pool	0	0	0	5	0	5	5	5	0	5	0	0	0
Fuel System	MPFI	MPFI	MPFI	SPFI	MPFI	MPFI	MPFI	MPFI	MPFI	Direct Injection	MPFI	MPFI	DI
Configuration	Single	Single	Per Cylinder		Single	Twin	Single	Per Cylinder	Single	Per Cylinder		Per Cylinder	Per Cylinder
RON	95	95	95	95	95	95	95	95	95	95	91	95	95
Injection Tech Pool	6	7	7	5	10	5	5	5	8	5	8	7	7
Catalytic Converter	High Flow 3-Way	High Flow 3-Way	High Flow 3-Way	3-Way	High Flow 3-Way	3-way	High Flow 3-Way	3-way	High Flow 3-Way	High Flow 3-Way	3-way	High Flow 3-Way	High Flow 3-Way
Exhaust Tech Pool	4	1	5	5	5	5	5	5	8	5	4	3	5
Power (bhp)	234	450	226	257	268	380	161	314	255	224	303	342	238
Torque (Nm)	238	477	224	271	344	502	199	315	343	218	382	400	332
Engine Loudness	56.8	60	59.6	59.3	54.3	35.3	46.8	57	46.3	56.7	39.2	50.2	50.5
Reliability	80.5	64	70.1	63.6	80.1	66.7	70.8	64.5	79.7	59.9	91.1	73.5	69
Engine PU	45.4	79.5	44.9	33.6	47.6	56.3	33.5	50.8	43.3	49.7	44.8	66.6	54.5
Engine ET	97.1	59.6	81	72.1	96.3	80.9	89.5	70.5	64.6	100	84.1	87	77.3
Engine Stress	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Engine Total Tech Pool	30	30	30	30	30	30	30	30	30	30	30	25	30
Body Tech Pool	0	0	5	5	10	5	5	5	0	5	6	4	5
Wings	1	1	1	1	0	1	1	1	1	1	0	1	0
Spoilers	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	1
Lips	1	2	2	0	0	1	1	1	2	2	1	2	1
Drive Type	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR
Gearbox	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual
No. Gears	5	5	5	6	5	6	5	6	5	5	5	6	6
Top speed	236	292	243	292	327	322	264	332	285	253	306	331	291
Differential	Clutched	Geared	Geared	Clutched	Geared	Geared	Viscous	Geared	Open	Geared	Geared	Geared	Geared
Gearbox Tech Pool	5	15	5	5	10	5	5	5	5	5	4	6	5
Tyre Type	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial
Tyre Choice	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports
Tyre Width Front	235	255	205	215	215	245	205	214	205	195	235	225	195
Tyre Width Rear	235	255	205	215	235	285	205	245	225	195	235	225	225
Wheel Diam Front	16	17	16	16	16	18	15	16	15	16	15	17	17
Wheel Diam Rear	16	17	16	16	16	18	15	16	15	16	15	17	17
Profile Front	45	45	55	50	55	40	50	50	60	55	60	45	50
Profile Rear	45	45	55	50	50	35	50	45	55	55	60	45	40
Rim Material	Alloy	Magnesium	Alloy	Steel	Alloy	Magnesium	Alloy	Alloy	Alloy	Alloy	Alloy	Magnesium	Alloy
Wheel Tech Pool	0	0	0	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Front Brakes	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc
Pots	2	3	3	1	2	2	2	2	1	1	1	2	4
Size	270	310	325	325	325	365	275	325	300	300	300	325	325
Rear Brakes	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Solid Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc
Pots	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	2
Size	245	275	310	260	325	345	275	285	285	250	345	285	295
Pad Type	70	70	70	62	70	70	70	70	70	70	70	70	70
Brake Fade Sport	0	0	0	0.8	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brake Tech Pool	5	5	5	5	0	5	5	5	5	5	4	4	5
Undertray	Semi Clad	Sport	none	Semi Clad	Semi Clad	None	None	Semi Clad	Fully Clad	Semi Clad	Semi Clad	Semi Clad	Sport Undertray
Active Aero	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No
Brake Airflow	50	60	41	55	50	55	25	25	40	100	80	50	15
Aero Tech Pool	5	7	5	5	0	5	5	5	5	5	4	4	5
Convertible Type	No	None	None	Detachable Soft Top	Manual Soft Top	None	Manual Soft Top	None	None	Manual Soft Top	None	None	No
Seats	4	2	2	2	2	2	2	4	2	2+2	4	4	4
Rows	2	1	1	1	1	1	1	2	1	2	2	2	2
Interior	Sports	Standard	Sports	Sports	Sports	Premium	Sports	Premium	Sports	Premium	Sport	Sports	Premium
Entertainment	Standard Cassette	Standard Cassette	Premium Cassette	Basic Cassette	Basic Cassette	Premium CD	Basic Cassette	Premium CD	Basic CD	Premium CD	Premium CD	Standard CD	Premium CD
Interior Tech Pool	10	0	5	5	5	5	5	5	7	5	8	5	5
Steering	Variable hydraulic	Manual Rack & Pinion	Manual Rack & Pinion	Variable Hydraulic	Hydraulic R&P	Variable Hydraulic	Variable Hydraulic	Hydraulic R&P	Variable Hydraulic	Variable Hydraulic	Hydraulic R&P	Variable Hydraulic	Variable hydraulic
Traction Aids	ABS	ABS	ABS	ABS	None	TC + ABS	None	ABS	ABS	ESC	ABS	TC + ABS	ESC
Control Tech Pool	5	0	5	5	0	5	5	5	5	5	4	5	5
Safety	Standard	Advanced	Basic	Standard	Basic	Advanced	Standard	Standard	Standard	Advanced	Standard	Standard	Advanced
Safety Decade	80	90	80	90	80	90	90	90	90	90	90	90	90
Safety Tech Pool	5	4	5	5	0	5	5	5	5	5	4	3	5
Springs	Standard	Progressive	Progressive	Progressive	Standard	Progressive	Progressive	Progressive	Standard	Progressive	Progressive	Progressive	Progressive
Dampers	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube
Sway Bars	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Semi-Active	Passive
Suspension Tech Pool	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	3	3	5
Drive	53.5	50.2	50.2	58.1	54.2	58	51.6	56.8	57.2	64.6	53	60	68
Sport	46.8	60.3	58.5	42.1	43.9	50.4	42.7	40.2	55.5	45.3	34.3	49.6	34.2
Comfort	14.5	9.5	21.4	18.5	15.1	15.1	1.9	26.1	15.5	14.4	28.4	26.9	32.2
Prestige	39.7	43	40.8	35.5	37.5	51	29.2	42	41.4	34.1	50.9	45.2	42
Safety	44.9	51.8	36.5	43.2	30.6	56.7	40.4	47.7	38.1	47.3	52.1	50.2	55.7
Trim Reliability	79.1	69.3	67.8	70.4	79.4	68.8	73.3	69	79.1	66.9	82.1	75.3	69.7
Fuel Economy	11.4	17.2	10	18.4	13.5	13.9	7.7	11.8	13.7	9.6	14.5	10.4	10.1
Weight	1193.2	1289.5	990	1450.6	1276	1485	1220.3	1361.1	991.9	1232.7	1471	1452.4	1455.1
bhp:metric ton	196	349	228	177	210	256	132	231	257	182	206	235	164
Material Costs	5840.4	7087.6	7728.9	4689.9	6942.3	9375.9	4862.3	7185.7	8005.8	4657.2	6649.3	8470.4	7633.5
Trim PU	90.7	79.9	86.4	72.3	67.9	74.7	70.3	74.4	108	74.9	81.8	86.5	86.2
Trim ET	85.8	89.5	92.1	66.6	56.2	71.5	68.9	70.6	74.5	74.2	67.7	70.8	76.9
Approximate Cost	23000	25000	24400	16000	20400	25000	17000	21500	24900	20500	21300	27200	24600
Front Downforce	-17	-54.2	-23.7	-91.9	-77.2	-86	-57.3	-21.7	-35.9	-8.51	-44.7	-73.8	-50.3
Rear Downforce	-1.44	49.9	23	28.2	-43.9	-23.3	-18.2	0.2	-6.06	49.4	-30.5	-21.5	21.7
Weight Distribution	50.5	51.4	50	53.9	48.1	51.7	51.7	55.4	51.4	51.3	52.3	53.1	49.5
Quarter mile	14.35	12.06	13.62	14.23	13.27	12.55	15.9	13.27	13.39	13.86	13.74	12.9	13.86
Small cornering g	1.12	1.1	1.17	1.04	1.1	1.15	1.05	1.09	1.12	1.1	1.02	1.07	1.05
Large cornering g	1.09	1.14	1.12	1.01	1.03	1.08	1	1.07	1.08	1.09	0.989	1.02	1.02
Automation Test Track	139.83	128.18	137.39	143.78	137.97	133.04	149.83	137.18	135.88	141.16	141.64	136.57	142.27
Airfield	84.81	77.26	83.24	86.91	83.5	80.12	91.25	82.97	82.16	85.36	85.87	82.33	86.01
Trim Total Tech Pool	45	45	45	50	40	45	45	45	45	45	45	41	45
Legality	Y	Y	Y	N	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Total Penalty Points	0	0	0	16	2	0	20	0	29	7	0	27	4

Curiously, nobody used a turbo in the car, which is a slight shame because turbo power was a real sporting boom in the 90s.

As you can see there is 1 irredeemably illegal entry leaving a field of 12. 3 of them have 20 or more penalty points due to a combination of wheelbase, tyre width, power, and blowing the budget by a significant margin. All of these factors are significant and so it is reasonable these entries are dropped from this segment.

This leaves 9 entries where 8 shall go through. As I mentioned before, the decision will rest on the performance data points. Conan’s penalty points were purely for a wheelbase 2cm short which is nothing and everything else is in order so that’s safe. Riley’s entry has a significant issue of a short wheelbase which does affect the handling. However Happyhungryhippo’s entry has a low power to weight ratio and has relatively narrow tyres for the weight.

To illustrate I’ll paste the relevant transposed data as an image:

What’s immediately striking is that Riley’s entry and Hippo’s entry are vastly different but end up yielding very similar times (as per the Automation driver, which we’ve clearly demonstrated in the past is not the same as actually driving the car in Beam). Riley’s car is in fact the least powerful in the segment, whereas Hippos is one of the heaviest, plus the tyres are narrower. I suspect the real difference in the Automation times is a combination of raw power and the supposed drive/sport ratio. One contributing factor would be because Riley’s car is on narrower tyres and it’s a square, not staggered setup.

Ultimately, while the wheelbase is a bit too small, I am quite lacking in entries on the lighter side which were more prevalent in the 90s and overall, Riley’s entry remains a closer match to the original spec of this challenge (sport coupes, but performance sedans were allowed). It makes the data points just that bit more even compared to the Primus Merit C320s, therefore for the 90s the final spot shall go to the Zephorus RS20C.

This means the cars that will be driven in Beam for the 90s are:

Username	Model Name
abg7	TSC Thunderwolf V8 5.0 GT
AndiD	Mara Kavaler Mk2 4.6 AMM
Conan	AG Type C 4.0
donutsnail	Turból j30 v6 24v Evo
HowlerAutomotive	Howler Wraith H
NormanVauxhall	BMMA Dolphine Sprint-R
Riley	Zephorus RS20 C
xepy	Kaufmann Vier GT-S

strop · 24 September 2023 09:54

Next is the 00s:

Username	mart1n2005	HowlerAutomotive	Ch_Flash	Happyhungryhippo	Xepy	Vento	GassTiresandOil	Randomtuner	abg7	Conan	AndiD	Riley
Model Name	Valiant Talon LT-ram package	Octania Silhouette	Otari OMG FM4	Globus Phoenix Dominator 5.7 Hellraiser	Tristella Oscen 380S	Fosselo Inlonte	Armor Hurricane GT	Striscia Nobile V8	TSC Thunderwolf II 5.4 GTS	Mitsushita RS2 2000 GT	Mara Paragon 4.0 SE42	Zephorus Focoso
Decade	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Model Year	2000	2001	2003	2003	2004	2005	2005	2006	2006	2009	2009	2009
Wheelbase	2.46	2.55	2.46	2.9	2.33	2.54	2.72	2.58	2.67	2.32	2.54	2.58
Panel Material	partial alu	steel	Partial alu	aluminium	partial alu	aluminium	partial alu	partial alu	partial alu	partial alu	partial alu	fibre glass
Chassis Type	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque
Chassis Material	galvanised steel	steel	Light AHS Steel	galvanised steel	ahs steel	light AHS steel	light AHS steel	corrosion res steel	light AHS Steel	light AHS Steel	AHS steel	galvanised steel
Engine Placement	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal
Front Suspension	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone
Rear Suspension	solid axle coil	semi trailing arm	Multilink	semi trailing arm	multilink	multilink	multilink	multilink	multilink	double wishbone	multilink	multilink
Chassis Tech Pool	7	5	5	5	5	5	0	5	5	10	8	5
Engine Year	2000	2001	2003	2003	2004	2005	2005	2006	2006	2009	2009	2009
Block Layout	V 90	V 90	V 60	V 90	Inline	V 60	V 90	V 90	V 90	Inline	V 90	Inline
Cylinders	8	8	6	8	5	8	8	8	8	4	8	6
Block Material	Aluminium	Cast Iron	AlSi	AlSi	AlSi	Cast Iron	AlSi	Aluminium	AlSi	AlSi	AlSi	AlSi
Family Capacity	5665	6497	2596	5695	1997	4012	4415	4798	5400	1998	3995	4199
Head	Push Rod	Push Rod	DOHC	DOHC	DOHC	SOHC	SOHC	DOHC	DOHC	DOHC	SOHC	DOHC
Valves	2	2	4	4	4	3	3	4	4	4	4	4
Block Tech Pool	8	9	5	6	5	5	9	5	5	3	8	5
Internal Tech Pool	5	5	5	6	5	5	4	5	5	4	4	5
RPM Limit	6000	6800	8000	6800	8400	8900	6500	7700	7200	9100	7000	7500
Valve Tech Pool	7	5	5	6	5	5	4	5	5	7	6	5
Aspiration	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Turbo	Naturally Aspirated	Turbo	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated
Turbos	0	0	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Boost	0	0	Wastegate	0	Smart Boost
Boost limit			0.8		1.3
Inducer			61.4		54.2
Exducer			76		77
Turbo Tech Pool	0	0	5	0	5	5	0	5	5	0	0	5
Fuel System	MPFI	MPFI	DI	DI	DI	MPFI	MPFI	DI	MPFI	DI	MPFI	MPFI
Configuration	Twin	Per Cylinder	Per Cylinder	Twin	Per Cylinder	Twin	Twin	Twin	Twin	Per Cylinder	Twin	Per cylinder
RON	95	95	95	95	95	95	95	95	95	95	91	95
Injection Tech Pool	5	10	5	7	5	5	8	5	5	10	8	5
Catalytic Converter	High Flow 3-Way	High Flow 3-Way	High Flow 3-Way	High Flow 3-Way	High Flow 3-Way	3-way	High Flow 3-Way	3-way	3-way	High Flow 3-Way	3-way	High Flow 3-Way
Exhaust Tech Pool	5	1	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	6	4	5
Power (bhp)	332	450	405	445	379	370	324	408	450	258	310	380
Torque (Nm)	486	552	494	579	470	352	415	529	543	241	404	461
Engine Loudness	51.1	57.7	53.4	54.4	37.3	66.1	49.5	43.3	36	55.7	39.6	54.3
Reliability	82.7	75.1	58.8	77.4	63.8	61.8	83.3	70.1	74.3	82	93.6	74.5
Engine PU	40.5	43	59.3	64.9	53.6	46.5	46.1	68.4	57.2	58.3	51.4	53.4
Engine ET	69.5	41.8	80.5	82.3	87.6	71.6	55.7	88.9	75	130.3	82.7	73.2
Engine Stress	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Engine Total Tech Pool	30	30	30	30	30	30	30	30	30	30	30	30
Body Tech Pool	7	0	5	5	5	5	0	5	5	10	6	5
Wings	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	0	1	0	0	0
Spoilers	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	1
Lips	1	0	1	1	2	1	1	1	2	0	1	0
Drive Type	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR
Gearbox	Manual	Adv. Automatic	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual	Manual
No. Gears	6	6	6	5	5	6	6	6	6	6	6	6
Top speed	333	256	308	320	323	350	331	338	339	336	330	353
Differential	Geared	Clutched	Geared	Geared	Electric	Geared	Geared	Viscous	Geared	Geared	Geared	Geared
Gearbox Tech Pool	8	10	5	5	5	5	7	5	5	10	4	5
Tyre Type	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial
Tyre Choice	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports
Tyre Width Front	245	275	225	185	215	175	255	215	245	225	225	215
Tyre Width Rear	245	275	255	225	245	235	265	275	285	235	225	245
Wheel Diam Front	18	16	19	19	18	18	17	19	19	18	17	20
Wheel Diam Rear	18	16	19	19	18	18	17	19	19	18	17	20
Profile Front	50	45	50	65	45	45	45	45	40	40	45	45
Profile Rear	50	45	45	55	40	40	40	35	35	40	45	40
Rim Material	Alloy	Magnesium	Alloy	Alloy	Alloy	Magnesium	Alloy	Alloy	Magnesium	Alloy	Alloy	Alloy
Wheel Tech Pool	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Front Brakes	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Solid Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc
Pots	4	6	3	6	3	1	3	4	4	2	2	1
Size	325	325	370	340	325	375	350	315	365	350	350	350
Rear Brakes	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Solid Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc
Pots	1	1	2	3	1	1	1	3	2	1	1	1
Size	325	270	350	395	300	320	305	285	325	330	300	300
Pad Type	70	70	70	70	70	70	70	70	70	70	70	70
Brake Fade Sport	0	0	0	0.1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brake Tech Pool	5	5	5	5	5	5	2	5	5	0	4	5
Undertray	Semi Clad	None	Semi Clad	Semi Clad	Sport	Sport	Semi Clad	None	None	Semi Clad	Fully Clad	Semi Clad
Active Aero	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No
Brake Airflow	45	65	50	15	53	0	80	34	50	15	25	80
Aero Tech Pool	5	5	5	5	5	5	2	5	5	10	4	5
Convertible Type	None	None	None	None	None	None	None	None	None	Manual Soft Top	None	None
Seats	2+2	4	2	2+2	2	2	4	2	2	2	2	2
Rows	2	2	1	2	1	1	2	1	1	1	1	1
Interior	Premium	Sports	Sports	Premium	Sport	Sport	Standard	Premium	Premium	Sports	Sports	Sports
Entertainment	Premium	Premium Satnav	Premium CD	Standard	Standard	Premium SatNav	Premium	Premium SatNav	Premium SatNav	Basic	Premium SatNav	Premium SatNav
Interior Tech Pool	5	12	5	5	5	5	7	5	5	0	8	5
Steering	Variable Hydraulic	Hydraulic R&P	Hydraulic R&P	Electric	Hydraulic R&P	Electric Variable	Variable Hydraulic	Hydraulic R&P	Variable Hydraulic	Variable Hydraulic	Variable Hydraulic	Variable Hydraulic
Traction Aids	TC + ABS	TC + ABS	ESC	TC + ABS	TC + ABS	TC + ABS	ABS	ABS	ESC	ABS	TC + ABS	ESC + LC
Control Tech Pool	3	4	5	5	5	5	3	5	5	0	4	5
Safety	Standard	Standard	Advanced	Standard	Standard	Standard	Standard	Standard	Advanced	Basic	Standard	Advanced
Safety Decade	90	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	10
Safety Tech Pool	2	4	5	5	5	5	2	5	5	0	4	5
Springs	progressive	Progressive	progressive	progressive	progressive	progressive	progressive	progressive	progressive	standard	standard	Progressive
Dampers	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	Gas Mono-Tube	gas mono-tube	Gas Mono-Tube
Sway Bars	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive
Suspension Tech Pool	3	0	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	3	5
Drive	51.9	52.9	56.3	59.9	50.8	61.6	58.1	54.6	63.4	60.1	62.1	64.2
Sport	44.7	36.5	47	24.8	54.2	58.5	45.6	39.2	51.5	57.8	51	57.8
Comfort	5	24.5	26.6	24.4	23.2	7.7	23.5	24.4	16.5	15.1	34	15.8
Prestige	49.9	49.9	52.1	47.1	42.8	56.3	45	52.6	55.2	36	53.5	48.5
Safety	48.2	49.6	58.2	50.9	50.2	48.4	49	50.8	60.5	37.7	52.7	56.7
Trim Reliability	75	70.5	67.2	73.8	69.6	68.8	76.4	66.1	72.2	77.2	81.2	74.2
Fuel Economy	15.2	23.3	10.8	11.5	8.4	20.5	12.7	13.8	14.9	6.7	10.7	11.6
Weight	1481.9	1453.9	1424.2	1496.7	1193.5	1236	1456	1543.7	1530	1269.7	1251.9	1448.8
bhp:metric ton	224	310	284	297	318	299	223	264	294	203	248	262
Material Costs	7201.7	7975.2	11177.6	6885.3	10675.5	10675.5	11856	11543.8	12237.5	11826	7816.9	9932.7
Trim PU	84.2	83.9	83.2	94.7	89.7	89.7	68.6	78.5	77.6	70.8	87.2	100.9
Trim ET	84	89.4	83	66.7	79.5	79.5	112.9	77.8	78.8	67.5	74.3	85.7
Approximate Cost	22900	23000	29400	27500	28800	29800	30000	30000	28500	30000	24400	29100
Front Downforce	-93.4	-116	-29.7	-99.7	8.84	-35.6	-62.1	-128	-94.3	-69.3	-31.3	-147
Rear Downforce	6.17	48.7	62.3	-35.2	48.4	49.7	-17.1	49.7	5.13	-65.5	-29.2	47.4
Weight Distribution	53.4	50.7	48.4	52.4	49.8	52.9	52.4	47.5	49	49.1	52.2	52.7
Quarter mile	13.02	12.31	12.06	12.55	11.7	12.43	13.15	12.55	12.06	13.39	12.55	12.55
Small cornering g	1.02	1.11	1.13	0.948	1.19	1.04	1.13	1.08	1.15	1.14	1.12	1.12
Large cornering g	1.04	1.11	1.13	0.907	1.2	1.03	1.08	1.04	1.1	1.06	1.07	1.07
Automation Test Track	137.84	130.99	130.19	138.05	126.95	133.96	135.6	134.2	130.37	136.74	133.69	133.15
Airfield	83.02	79.04	78.6	83.77	76.7	81.12	81.9	81.02	78.56	82.72	80.58	80.3
Trim Total Tech Pool	45	45	45	45	45	45	28	45	45	45	45	45
Legality	Y	Y	N	N	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Total Penalty Points	0	0	0	17	13	2	0	0	0	31	0	0

As you can see, 2 of the entries are illegal. Ch_Flash put in too many spoilers and that resulted in the car having significantly too much downforce to be fair for this challenge. Hippo was simply unlucky with that brake fade bug, which I would have overlooked if not for the penalty points most of which were due to submitting a car with an entirely too long wheelbase which implies a class of vehicle which is outside the scope of this challenge, so that too, is out.

Then there were 2 other entries with more than 10 penalty points: Xepy’s Tristella Oscen, which has rear tyres significantly wider than the weight-regulated maximum for this challenge, which does have a very large impact on performance parity so sadly I’m going to have to drop that one, and Conan’s Mitsushita, which I think he somehow forgot to check the engine ET which would explain why it has such a crazy specific output for a naturally aspirated 2L i4 that normally you’d have to get the engine rebuilt at Spoon or something to get that much power. So, I think fair to say I have to drop that one too.

This does leave us with the 8 entries on the dot. In terms of the data:

All of these cars got a bit heavy didn’t they. Well, it is what it is, and as far as I’m concerned the 00s weren’t exactly a golden era for the light sports car segment. This said, your Beam entries for this decade are:

Username	Model Name
abg7	TSC Thunderwolf II 5.4 GTS
AndiD	Mara Paragon 4.0 SE42
GassTiresandOil	Armor Hurricane GT
HowlerAutomotive	Octania Silhouette
mart1n2005	Valiant Talon LT-ram package
Randomtuner	Striscia Nobile V8
Riley	Zephorus Focoso
Vento	Fosselo Inlonte

strop · 24 September 2023 11:04

And now onto the 10s!

Username	abg7	AndiD	mart1n2005	Tsundere-kun	donutsnail	Xepy	HowlerAutomotive	Lazar	Ludvig	Riley
Model Name	TSC Tigereye 3.5S	Mara Paragon 2.3 SE42	BSC 4000 by Carrosserie Marin	Calcote L250	Turból Centurion t38	Lunascura Agheel S	Elmsley Sundance 3600 Super	EFI Cura	Swanson 337SC	Zephorus KS ZRD
Decade	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	10
Model Year	2010	2012	2014	2018	2018	2020	2020	2020	2020	2020
Wheelbase	2.46	2.54	2.58	2.6	2.75	2.78	2.3	2.52	2.75	2.52
Panel Material	partial alu	partial alu	aluminium	aluminium	partial alu	aluminium	partial alu	treated steel	Aluminium	Partial Alu
Chassis Type	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque	monocoque
Chassis Material	Light AHS Steel	AHS steel	AHS steel	AHS steel	light AHS steel	AHS steel	steel	AHS steel	AHS steel	Corrosion Res. Steel
Engine Placement	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal	front longitudinal
Front Suspension	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone	double wishbone
Rear Suspension	multilink	multilink	double wishbone	multilink	multilink	multilink	semi trailing arm	Multilink	Multilink	Multilink
Chassis Tech Pool	5	8	6	8	10	5	5	5	7	5
Engine Year	2010	2012	2014	2018	2018	2020	2020	2020	2020	2020
Block Layout	Inline	Inline	Inline	Inline	Inline	V 90	V60	Inline	Boxer	Inline
Cylinders	6	4	6	4	4	8	6	4	6	6
Block Material	AlSi	AlSi	Cast Iron	AlSi	AlSi	AlSi	Cast Iron	Cast Iron	AlSi	AlSi
Family Capacity	3500	2297	3992	1995	2495	3799	3599	1991	3700	2998
Head	DOHC	DOHC	DOHC	DOHC	DOHC	DOHC	SOHC	DOHC	DOHC	DOHC
Valves	4	4	4	4	4	4	4	4	4	4
Block Tech Pool	5	8	7	8	10	10	10	5	8	5
Internal Tech Pool	5	4	5	0	2	5	5	5	3	5
RPM Limit	7500	7400	6500	6500	6400	8600	7400	7300	8700	7000
Valve Tech Pool	5	6	5	6	10	5	5	5	7	5
Aspiration	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Turbo	Turbo	Turbo	Naturally Aspirated	Naturally Aspirated	Turbo	Naturally Aspirated	Turbo
Turbos	0	0	1	1	1	0	0	1	0	1
Boost			Boost Control	Smart Boost	Smart Boost			Smart Boost		Smart Boost
Boost limit			0.45	1.05	1			1.55		0.75
Inducer			61.6	44.9	59.2			45.5		56.1
Exducer			74	59	70			67.5		68
Turbo Tech Pool	5	0	7	0	10	0	0	5	0	5
Fuel System	DI	MPFI	MPFI	DI	DI	DI	SPFI	DI	DI	DI
Configuration	Per Cylinder	Single	Single	Single	Single	Per Cylinder	Single	Per Cylinder	Per Cylinder	Per Cylinder
RON	95	95	95	95	95	95	95	95	95	95
Injection Tech Pool	5	8	3	8	10	5	5	5	8	5
Catalytic Converter	High Flow 3-Way	3-way	High flow 3-way	High flow 3-way	3-way	High Flow 3-way	3-way	High Flow 3-Way	High Flow 3-Way	High Flow 3-Way
Exhaust Tech Pool	5	4	3	8	10	5	5	5	4	5
Power (bhp)	360	211	396	294	379	448	274	435	390	408
Torque (Nm)	383	246	577	431	544	440	321	520	422	606
Engine Loudness	55.9	40.1	54.5	35	36.8	59.2	46.3	52.7	49.3	56.4
Reliability	75.9	95.9	82.1	94	106.4	80.6	76.6	40.3	93.3	82.8
Engine PU	52.2	34.4	50.5	40.4	39.7	65.6	33.5	49.8	70	59.4
Engine ET	72.7	76.3	95	75.7	74.7	64.9	36.3	94.5	99	77.9
Engine Stress	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Engine Total Tech Pool	30	30	30	30	52	30	30	30	30	30
Body Tech Pool	5	6	7	0	0	5	0	5	5	5
Wings	1	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0	0
Spoilers	0	1	1	1	1	0	0	0	0	1
Lips	2	1	2	2	3	2	2	2	3	2
Drive Type	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR	FR
Gearbox	Manual	Manual	Adv. Automatic	Manual	Dual Clutch	Dual Clutch	Adv Automatic	Dual Clutch	Manual	Manual
No. Gears	6	6	6	6	7	7	6	9	6	6
Top speed	321	317	360	366	416	318	254	313	335	322
Differential	Geared	Geared	Geared	Geared	Electric	Geared	Clutched	Geared	Geared	Geared
Gearbox Tech Pool	5	4	4	5	5	5	15	5	5	5
Tyre Type	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial	Radial
Tyre Choice	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports	Sports
Tyre Width Front	225	215	255	225	255	245	215	245	245	235
Tyre Width Rear	255	215	285	245	275	275	215	245	245	255
Wheel Diam Front	19	17	19	18	20	20	16	20	18	19
Wheel Diam Rear	19	17	19	18	20	20	16	20	18	19
Profile Front	40	50	45	55	35	35	50	40	40	40
Profile Rear	35	50	40	50	35	35	50	40	40	40
Rim Material	Magnesium	Alloy	Alloy	Alloy	Alloy	Alloy	Alloy	Alloy	Magnesium	Alloy
Wheel Tech Pool	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Front Brakes	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc
Pots	4	2	4	3	4	6	3	6	2	2
Size	375	325	350	340	355	400	295	365	325	350
Rear Brakes	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc	Vented Disc
Pots	2	1	1	2	2	1	1	3	1	2
Size	335	280	300	340	345	360	255	295	285	350
Pad Type	70	70	70	70	70	70	70	70	70	70
Brake Fade Sport	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brake Tech Pool	5	4	5	5	0	5	5	5	4	5
Undertray	None	Fully Clad	Semi Clad	Semi Clad	Flow Optimized	Sport Undertray	Semi Clad	Flow Optimized	Sport Undertray	Sport Undertray
Active Aero	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No
Brake Airflow	50	0	40	50	100	99	55	50	50	100
Aero Tech Pool	5	4	6	5	5	5	5	5	5	5
Convertible Type	None	None	None	None	None	None	Detachable Soft Top	None	None	None
Seats	2	2	2	2	4	2+2	2	2	4	2
Rows	1	1	1	1	2	2	1	1	2	1
Interior	Premium	Sports	Sports	Premium	Premium	Premium	Standard	Premium	Sport	Sport
Entertainment	Premium	Premium	Premium	Standard	Premium	Premium	Standard	Luxury	Standard	Standard
Interior Tech Pool	5	8	5	7	10	5	3	5	5	5
Steering	Variable Hydraulic	Variable Hydraulic	Electric Variable	Electric Variable	Electric Variable	Electric Variable	Electric Variable	Electric Variable	Electric Variable	Variable Hydraulic
Traction Aids	ESC	TC + ABS	ESC + LC	ESC	ESC + LC	ESC	ESC	ESC + LC	ESC	ESC + LC
Control Tech Pool	5	4	3	5	5	5	10	5	7	5
Safety	Advanced	Standard	Standard	Standard	Standard	Basic	Standard	Advanced	Standard	Advanced
Safety Decade	10	10	10	10	10	10	10	20	10	20
Safety Tech Pool	5	4	3	5	5	5	0	5	3	5
Springs	progressive	standard	progressive	standard	standard	progressive	progressive	progressive	progressive	progressive
Dampers	gas mono-tube	gas mono-tube	gas mono-tube	gas mono-tube	gas mono-tube	gas mono-tube	gas mono-tube	gas mono-tube	gas mono-tube	gas mono-tube
Sway Bars	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive	Passive
Suspension Tech Pool	5	3	6	5	5	5	2	5	4	5
Drive	67	59.3	66.3	62.5	64.8	67	73	58.6	72	60.6
Sport	55	49.8	51.7	54.7	46.8	58.3	43.4	49.4	59.8	65.4
Comfort	19.5	33.7	11	14.6	32.2	30.5	24.6	26.4	28.5	14.1
Prestige	49.1	46.3	59.4	41.3	51.3	53	32.1	48.2	49	46.9
Safety	57.9	53.2	59.8	56.5	57.4	50.4	41.2	68	55.7	63.8
Trim Reliability	73.1	82	74.8	82.7	80.7	70	75.6	52.8	84	78.4
Fuel Economy	10.8	8	9.3	7.1	6.7	13.6	17.1	7.1	9.6	10.8
Weight	1353.2	1156.6	1462.9	1261.7	1533.4	1421.7	1247.3	1599.8	1353.1	1549.7
bhp:metric ton	266	182	271	233	247	315	220	272	288	263
Material Costs	11258.4	7253.2	12242.5	7589.4	12479.6	12921.7	4442.3	11246.2	10674.5	10553.9
Trim PU	80.4	87.2	102.6	103.2	103.2	114.8	73.2	106.3	112.6	80.9
Trim ET	80.1	72.5	95.9	69.3	105.6	91.7	59.1	111.8	80.5	81.2
Approximate Cost	27200	21000	33600	23400	32000	35000	13800	34600	34500	27700
Front Downforce	-76.6	-33.2	-105	5.43	-27.7	9.76	-64.7	-95.6	-1.39	2.6
Rear Downforce	1.25	-31	14.4	11	44.7	43.5	49.7	-33.3	1.17	25.8
Weight Distribution	50	50.9	54.8	50	52.6	49.9	52.1	49.1	53.5	49.6
Quarter mile	12.55	13.86	12.66	12.78	12.31	11.59	13.15	11.7	12.06	12.06
Small cornering g	1.15	1.11	1.16	1.14	1.19	1.24	1.17	1.12	1.15	1.17
Large cornering g	1.1	1.07	1.11	1.14	1.17	1.26	1.14	1.1	1.13	1.17
Automation Test Track	132.68	139.84	132.23	133.87	129.97	124.68	135.12	128.85	129.15	129.59
Airfield	79.93	84.45	79.65	80.72	78.59	75.08	81.46	77.81	77.96	78.06
Trim Total Tech Pool	45	45	45	45	45	45	45	45	45	45
Legality	Y	Y	Y	Y	N	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Total Penalty Points	0	0	15	11	253	18	0	0	2	0

As you can see, donutsnail forgot to check the Engine tech pool when porting from another challenge and broke the record for penalty points, gold star effort

As for the rest we have 9 legal entries. Open disclosure: when I originally checked Riley’s entry, due to a misunderstanding it had 2 spoilers and 1 lip as opposed to 1 spoiler and 2 lips. The entry was therefore ruled illegal as it was also achieving more downforce than would be reasonably achieved with legal fixtures (as was the rules intention). Having reviewed the other entries, I then took the liberty of switching a spoiler for a lip which resulted in lower downforce, and even though I as the host reserve the right to make executive decisions, I’m conflicted.

The 10s segment was relatively light on entries and this is causing me to seek compromise. Looking at the other entries, the penalty points are for tyre width and are quite significant. Riley’s entry has the significant other issue of downforce, but this is a lot more easily rectified and has lower impact for a tyre test, especially on 2 of the 3 tracks, compared to having overly wide tyres.

Once again let’s take a look at the data:

One thing is immediately striking: Xepy’s Lunascura Agheel S has been min-maxed to hell. It’s not all the tyres either, but it has oodles of power, the camber is quite high for what it is, and it pulls some mad g and on the Automation track sims it’s a clear outlier. This in itself isn’t a huge problem (making the tyres legal width only adds under 1 second to the total time). But the bigger problem is that it’s been quite heavily optimised to just squeeze right into the budget. Going back to figure out what the hell Xepy did, and I came across a curious feature: an electronically limited speed of 250km/h.

That’s gonna get in the way of the Bathurst test!

On the other hand, while I’ve taken a fairly extreme rules liberty with Riley’s Zephorus KS ZRD, it is more or less a perfectly realistically representation of the 2020 sport mobile: heavy and powerful. From a statistical point of view, Xepy’s is too much of an outlier. Very clever. But a bit too clever for this challenge. I still want to drive it, but maybe I’ll just do that separately and for my own enjoyment.

It’s worth saying that I also checked the other entries with high penalty points (mart1n2005’s and tsundere-kun’s) and there were no other such shenanigans so they should be alright.

Therefore, the entrants for the 10s are:

Username	Model Name
abg7	TSC Tigereye 3.5S
AndiD	Mara Paragon 2.3 SE42
HowlerAutomotive	Elmsley Sundance 3600 Super
Lazar	EFI Cura
Ludvig	Swanson 337SC
mart1n2005	BSC 4000 by Carrosserie Marin
Riley	Zephorus KS ZRD
Tsundere-kun	Calcote L250

I am definitely not going to be getting to the driving part, but I’ll get all the exporting done presently and try and get my own reference entries completed (2 of them are done, just need to do the last one…)

EDIT: Putting together all of the entries that passed, sorted by year ascending:

You can see a pretty alright spread here, with a few fun outliers (like the Howler Wraith H which looks like a total grenade with the pin pulled out). Otherwise I feel there’s a decent representation going on here. Let’s see how it plays out in Beam.

abg7 · 24 September 2023 12:47

Great to see all three of my entries qualify for the next stage with no penalty points - and with highly competitive (and in the case of my 2000s entry, class-leading) times in Automation to boot. This bodes well for the Beam testing to come later, but as they say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

This is a bit odd to me, especially considering that some of my favorite FR driver’s cars of the 1990s (FD RX-7, A80 Supra Turbo, Z32 300ZX, 968 Turbo S, Lotus Carlton, and Alpina B10 Bi-Turbo, among others) were turbocharged.

In fact, my submission for the 2000s was the second heaviest car (but on the other hand, the fastest in Automation testing) from that era to actually qualify for Beam testing.

The two oldest entries from me subscribed to that school of thought (by the standards of their respective eras), but the third one, not so much - in fact, it’s the lightest and least powerful of my three entries.

What I did with the '95 Thunderwolf after the deadline

As for the '95 Thunderwolf, I also cloned the original trim (or even the whole car) for use in a few other challenges - once each for PAIN, TTTT, and AGC30.

Last but not least, here’s what its interior (which I only added after the deadline for FM4 had passed) looks like:

And here are all three major variants of the '95 Thunderwolf together, from left to right: the TTTT version, the base car (from which the PAIN version was cloned - it’s now aesthetically identical, but retains both the stock FM4-friendly engine and the original chassis material of corrosion-resistant steel instead of glued aluminum), and the AGC30 version.

If the base Thunderwolf is the equivalent of a Standard class car in Ridge Racer V, then the TTTT trim would be akin to an Extra class version (faster and lighter), and the AGC30 trim would be reminiscent of an Oval class version (extreme top speed and acceleration, but with far more challenging handling).

strop · 24 September 2023 13:51

I’ve now finished exporting all the entry cars to Beam. I won’t have time to edit them to match the weight distribution or mass before the baby arrives, so that’ll be on the backburner but at least the exports are done so future Automation updates won’t break them.

This said, I do have one rather large favour to ask. As I mentioned previously I’ve made replicas of some real life models, and seeing as I have a bias towards JDM for the 90s, my replicas were of a Mazda FD RX-7 Spirit R (with a turbo I3 that just about matches outputs), for the 00s a Honda S2000 AP1 with the JDM engine. For the 10s it was supposed to be a Toyota GR (A90) Supra RZ, but, uh, I’ve been particularly unmotivated to attempt styling

Would anybody be available to cobble together something? I note that the wheelbase of the A90 Supra is relatively short, at 2.47m and track width of around 1.59m. The rear tyres are 275mm wide (which is well within spec for this challenge given a kerb weight of 1530kg), and the engine bay just has to fit a turbo 3L inline 6. Interior doesn’t have to be anywhere near schmick, and if the styling is down pat I can work the mechanicals out pretty easily.

HowlerAutomotive · 24 September 2023 14:30

Looks like I may have gone about 2-3 seconds too slow with the Elmsley. I was hoping to challenge the lower half or thereabouts of the 2010 lineup with a budget shocker. I guess I’m alright with it being the slowest, so long as it puts up a fight. Big win if it surprises anyone on the track.

Surprising strop with excess turn-in + the back end flying off into the sunset is half a point. Just think of all the money you saved.

The Silhouette is a bit of a chonker, but ought to have the torque and grip to make up for it. Perhaps the easiest one of my entries to slot into reality.

The Howler… In testing, it was ~5 seconds faster around the BeamNG ATT with a few cm added to rear tire width. However, this version was more fun to tussle with. Fast, loud and dramatic. No doubt my own favourite.

A recent PC implosion leaves me poorly placed to offer assistance on the Supra. I still need to tear it open and swap some bits before I can call it done. I’m sure there are people around with more design prowess than myself, so might be for the best.

mart1n2005 · 24 September 2023 14:32

i have some documentation on the supra open right now and ive managed to get very close to the real life specs in game, just the styling bit really. Not quite sure how to get the body super close

mart1n2005 · 24 September 2023 17:04

it’s kinda rough getting the same style as the supra but i’ve got a fair bit of the engineering to be the same following this document gr supra pdf

Fite_me_gr_supra_-_3_0_supra.car (76.2 KB)

All the rules should be followed to, i have been checking along

strop · 25 September 2023 01:50

yeah the specs are not too difficult, I actually quite carefully built the rules around existing cars hence the finnicky tyre rules!

But the styling… it doesn’t have to be perfect, and I know a lot can be done, but I also know it takes a lot of time unless you know exactly which piece you’re after and I haven’t been keeping up with that so!

It’s straight up the weirdest entry (not bad, weird) in the entire lineup. It might be giving the performance equivalent of the 86/BRZ some company though depending on how it behaves.

For reference, I threw together a minmaxed 450hp 1350kg 50:50 car on 35 profile 250 wide rear wheels (as low as I would dare go to keep it somewhat drivable on the street and mountain courses) and it was getting a 2:04 on Automation’s AT simulator, so basically around where Xepy’s entry was, and when I drove it I got a 1:56 (which on reflection should be more like a 1:59 because that was a flying lap). One of the biggest features borne out from Fite Me 2, run on older versions with a more rudimentary wheel geometry and tyre physics, and weight distributions in Automation that were very unkind to FR cars, was that FR cars didn’t drive well in Beam compared to the other drivetrains. This seems to have been significantly rectified but let’s see what the detailed driving experience is like.

Xepy · 25 September 2023 02:17

Oop, went a bit too ham on the 10s entry. Ah well, hope you enjoy it when you do get around to driving it.

HowlerAutomotive · 25 September 2023 05:10

Sounds about right, from a standing start I was pretty consistently around 7-9 seconds faster than Automation around the BeamNG ATT with different cars.

mart1n2005 · 25 September 2023 07:40

Yeah the car is probably about as close as I can get without spending days on it, I haven’t tested in beam either though. I will load it into beam later on today and see. But it should fulfil the need for a supra antway

GassTiresandOil · 25 September 2023 13:32

I can’t believe I left so many tech pool points on the table lol. Perhaps I could have gotten the weight down a little more. Ah well, typical American Yank Tank it is.

HowlerAutomotive · 25 September 2023 18:58

I was mildly bothered that I never tried to build a properly fast 2020 entry for this, so I stopped through a tech store today.

I think it’d be possible to elbow into the 2:01.xx without penalty points. I built a quick and dirty 2:02.7x, aiming at 0 penalty points, until I realised the mx5 wheelbase is 3cm too short and rounded up. It’s not worth any performance and this was just a let’s-see-how-this-works-out so I can’t be bothered to switch. 45 profile tires, 50/50 weight, and a wretched little turbo V6 where the glorious big V12 should be. BeamNG is installing, I’ll try to take it for a spin if I have time later.

Edit: This would need a couple more hours of suspension tuning to gauge its full potenial. Might be that once you get into the electronic doodads (Dual Clutch, Electric diff), the difference between Automation and BeamNG lap times tapers off. I don’t currently see it being 5.5s faster than the Wraith, but it could just be the handling difference throwing me off.

donutsnail · 26 September 2023 01:18

I didn’t aim for lap times when making my cars, I was going solely for the Driving Factors piece of the prompt. Really just meant to be fun more than fast. Obviously flubbed the 10s entry but I’m hoping the 90s entry proves one of the most fun to drive.

strop · 30 September 2023 14:00

I haven’t had much time to test before this, does 45 profile in 2020 behave the best in terms of balance of rigidity versus contact patch? I tend to default to 35 profile purely to reflect IRL conditions for “sport” tyres (which I now agree overperform on lateral grip).

HowlerAutomotive · 30 September 2023 18:26

My experience with BeamNG is very limited, but I did do some amount of testing for the Wraith.
I seem to remember that it either stopped getting faster once I went below 45 profile or got ever-so-slightly faster, but became twitchy and less forgiving at the grip limit, which would have gone against my goals.

The Wraith being a relatively firm ride to begin with, I suppose there could be different results with different suspension setups. I haven’t done any testing to speak of in 2020, so I just used a value I knew was OK.

abg7 · 1 October 2023 04:24

Lowering the tire profile increases the size of the contact patch, thus providing more grip, but too much grip on the front end (relative to the rear) leads to oversteer.

Also, what body set is the Wraith H built on? I thought it was either a '69 Mobula or '70 Fiesta body set, but now I know it’s neither of those - so what is it based on exactly, then?

Actually, it turns out to be the '67 Muntu - it’s an odd choice for a modern FR coupe, considering its age, but it’s small and light, which matters quite a lot in a time trial.