Generations II: The Full Line Challenge [LORE][FINAL SCORES]

ROCHA MOTOR COMPANY

1966 Rocha Cargo 421


The cargo van you already know, now more powerful, economical and safe. New front grille and new taillights.

1966 Rocha Toledo 421


Toledo is the newest entry-level car of the brand, with 2.1 engine, 3-speed manual transmission and AM radio as standard items. Space for 5 people, trunk with 571 liters and simple and cheap maintenance make Toledo the most rational purchase for the American family.

1966 Rocha Madison II 630


Madison’s second generation arrived as Rocha Motor’s main bet. New monocoque chassis, new 6 cylinder 3.0 engine, much more powerful and economical than the previous generation. New modern design and greater internal space. Comes standard with 3-speed manual transmission, AM radio, hydraulic steering and much more …

1966 Rocha Madison RGT 670


Madison RGT is the newest American Muscle Car! Based on the brand new 2nd generation Madison, it has the mechanical set of the spectacular Rocha Rocket presented in 1960. The RGT comes equipped with a 6-cylinder, 7-liter engine, 4-speed manual transmission, 4-wheel disc brakes, self-locking differential, steering hydraulics, AM radio, modern suspension and more!

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Submissions are closed for the round, the numbers have been crunched. Just have to write the blurbs, but I don’t foresee finishing that tonight.

Edit: Because of the hiatus, I am not penalizing the 4 companies that didn’t submit this round, they just get a null value (not averaged). However, this is the only round for which this applies. Further skips will result in a severely damaged RR and reliability rating

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The suspense… when are we getting these? Lol :confounded:

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Best of Compact Class - 1966

Bogliq Exordium 514F
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Oft neglected and overlooked, compact cars are nonetheless an important class of cars, particularly for those who live in more densely packed areas, or those on a budget who cannot afford a properly sized family car. While tight on space, they can offer good value. None offered that value this year better than the Bogliq Exordium 514F.

Under the hood of the usually-blue car is a small 85 cubic inch four-cylinder motor, mated to an unusual feature for a small car: a 3-speed automatic. The Exordium’s wishbone-and-coil setup is also somewhat unusual for the class, though it doesn’t offer modern unibody construction. It is all shrouded in an attractive semi-fastback design with a full-size liftgate. Road manners are phenomenal. The Exordium is nimble, small enough to park anywhere, and surprisingly good at soaking up imperfections in the road surface. Noise intrusion from the engine is also minimal.

Interior design is spartan, even by class standards. The front split-bench seat is narrow, and the shifter for the transmission is mounted on the floor instead of the steering column. This allows only allows two to sit across the front. Real estate for three children is available in the second row. Seating surfaces are supportive, though hard. Bogliq opted for a handsome houndstooth pattern on its vinyl upholstery. No radio is available; this is par for the course for the notoriously inexpensive marque.

Where the Bogliq’s shine is particularly evident is in its cost to own. Outright purchase cost is the among the lowest in class, and its inexpensive and plentiful maintenance parts, combined with good fuel economy, make it a thrifty proposition to own for many years.

Katsuro A-1

“…very comfortable model that can be had for a surprisingly low price. Early projections show it to be a reliable choice as well…”

Pros: Low purchase price, lowest in class maintenance cost, excellent reliability
Cons: Poor drivability, unrefined engine

Anhultz Puck I C

“…very reliable. Its fantastic fuel mileage is also a huge bonus, which makes up somewhat for the unruly driving dynamics…”

Pros: Good fuel economy, good reliability, low maintenance cost
Cons: Poor practicality

Courageaux 3
Car equipped with radial tires. Designer accepted the associated penalties.

“…a very inexpensive option well-suited to an unmarried owner, or perhaps newlyweds. Space is definitely at a premium, and comfort is somewhat lacking…”

Pros: Lowest in class purchase price, low maintenance cost, good drivability
Cons: Worst in class practicality, poor comfort

Earle Eagle Special Sedan

“…splendid comfort for its occupants, with clever use of cargo pockets throughout the interior and a well-packaged trunk. It is somewhat of a premium car, costing more to buy and own than some Intermediates…”

Pros: Excellent comfort, excellent practicality, great drivability
Cons: Highest in class purchase price, high maintenance cost, poor fuel economy

Dominion Victory 220 Auto (TIE)

“…a very well balanced package overall. We liked the confidence the Victory projected on the road. Our one gripe is how costly this model is after driving off the lot…”

Pros: Good practicality, good drivability, good comfort
Cons: Worst in class fuel economy, highest in class maintenance cost

Charge Dynasty Exemplar (TIE)

“…rather miserly on gas. We also liked the supportive, but not overly hard, seating surfaces. Its road manners were less than stellar, however, and we have long-term concerns…”

Pros: Good fuel economy, good comfort, low maintenance cost
Cons: Poor drivability, poor reliability, somewhat high purchase price

Hampton Ferret 1.8
Car equipped with radial tires. Designer accepted the associated penalties.

“…is certainly a car that will either be hated or loved. There is so much to like, and just as many reasons not to…”

Pros: Best in class comfort, great drivability, good practicality, good fuel economy
Cons: High purchase price, high maintenance cost, worst in class reliability

Deer and Hunt Goonie Bambi

“…rather tight trunk with a high liftover made cargo loading a chore. Our test unit also had a problem with its driveshaft, forcing us to exchange it for another. It is a very comfortable model, however…”

Pros: Good comfort, relatively low purchase and maintenance cost
Cons: Poor fuel economy, poor reliability, poor practicality

Ardent Sentinel L

“…Ardent’s unrefined but powerful 220 cubic inch V6 resides under the hood. This makes the small car very squirrely, but offers something that other competitors have a difficult time doing, particularly at this price point…”

Pros: Good practicality, relatively low maintenance cost
Cons: Worst in class comfort, worst in class drivability, somewhat high purchase price

Rocha Toledo 421

“…we give them high marks for reliability, which has improved vastly. Still, the value for what you receve is just not that great…”

Pros: Good reliability
Cons: High purchase cost, poor practicality, otherwise extremely mediocre

Best of Intermediate Class - 1966

Bogliq Sachem 129F

Unlike the Compacts, where Bogliq took a commanding lead and left only the scraps for competitors, the Intermediate class was a knock-down, drag-out dogfight. Bogliq’s offering came out on top again, but only just barely this time. In fact, our top four are all very solid, viable choices in our opinions.

Powerplant choice in our test Sachem was a typical 176 cubic inch six-cylinder in a slightly less-common V-shaped package. Similarly to the Exordium, Bogliq chose to put a 3-speed automatic behind this motor, which again leads to a transmission tunnel-mounted shifter, and an unusually narrow front seat. The rear seat holds three, but is large enough to accommodate adults.

Suspension choice is Bogliq’s wishbone-and-spring combo, which is tuned to give a soft, controlled ride. Steering has hydraulic power assistance, making the big sedan a dream to drive, even for staffers’ wives who took the Sachem out for errands. Starts from a dead stop are slow, so the 129F is not the Sachem you would choose if you plan to drag race from a light, or on mountain passes for that matter. However, the 129F is your choice if you want to keep engine noise at a minimum, especially at highway speeds. One staff member commented that the only way he knew the Sachem was on at a stop light was the vibration of the engine through the pedals.

Bogliq has chosen to eschew performance in exchange for a pleasurable driving experience, and that transfers to the passenger compartment as well. High quality pleated, overstuffed vinyl seating awaits, along with full-width carpeting, a high-fidelity AM radio, and thoughful details such as a lighted glovebox, overhead assist handles, and an in-dash clock.

It is in the small details that we think we can give the Bogliq Sachem 129F our blessing over the other close competitors.

Charge Wesson 315

“…the most decadent interior of all the competitors. Were it not for a reputation for poor crash performance, it well could have dethroned the Sachem…”

Pros: Best in class comfort, good practicality, good drivability
Cons: Poor safety, high maintenance cost

Silverhare Stepford

“…most expensive offering of the group by a fair amount. Its sterling reputation for safety, as well as its cavernous cargo area, are definitely worth considering. The rest of the package isn’t particularly special…”

Pros: Great practicality, best in class safety
Cons: Highest in class purchase price, very mediocre otherwise

Katsuro L-2

“…a sublime drive both in the city and on the highway. Truly unexpected for such a bargain…”

Pros: Low purchase price, low maintenance cost, good drivability
Cons: Worst in class practicality

Hampton Valiant II Prime
Note: Car equipped with radial tires. Creator accepted the associated penalties.

“…This is possibly the best choice when cost of ownership isn’t a consideration, but rather dynamics are everything…”

Pros: Great drivability, great safety
Cons: Below average in all other aspects

Deer and Hunt Goonie Base

“…and to counter Hampton, this is your choice when cost of ownership is the only consideration and a compact won’t cut it…”

Pros: Relatively low purchase cost, low maintenance cost, good practicality
Cons: Poor comfort, poor safety

Anhultz Dione V C*

“…possibly even more comfortable than the Sachem. Our staff found it rather unwieldy to drive, particularly around town…”

Pros: great comfort, relatively low maintenance cost
Cons: Poor drivability, subpar safety

Ardent Chesapeake S Wagon

“…a proper family wagon that can seat 8. Just a bit too much power from the 289 Toledo V8 makes town driving a bit of a drag…”

Pros: Best in class practicality, good safety
Cons: Worst in class drivability, high purchase cost, high maintenance cost

Courageux Ambronay B 1300
Note: Car equipped with radial tires. Creator accepted the associated penalties.

“…inexpensive to get into and keep running. Might want to save up some money for the chiropractor however…”

Pros: Lowest in class purchase price, lowest in class maintenance cost
Cons: Worst in class comfort, poor drivability

Rocha Madison II 630

“…although the seats were much less stiff than the Ambronay, we’re not sure it justifies the higher price tag…”

Pros: Good safety, relatively low purchase cost
Cons: Poor practicality, poor drivability, poor comfort

Dominion Atlantic V8 Sedan

“…a rare swing and miss by Dominion has us wishing for so much more…”

Pros: Mediocre comfort
Cons: Literally everything else

Best of Utility Class - 1966

Bogliq Haulstar 337U

This year’s crop of Utility vehicles came in an incredibly wide array of sizes and shapes. Yet somehow, through it all, this way something blue has come. That’s right, Bogliq and their Haulstar 337U have swept away another class.

We again see a pattern in the drivetrain and suspension setup, with a V6, 3-speed floor-shifted automatic, and wishbone-and-spring suspension. With this coupe utility, Bogliq’s body-on-frame chassis is not the slightest bit out of place.

What is surprising for Bogliq is that they didn’t come anywhere near the title for being least expensive. Quite the opposite, in this case their offering is middle-of-the-road as far as costs. But its true three-quarter ton load rating, bed long enough to haul plywood, and fantastically planted feel on the road are good enough to come away with the title, if not by a large margin.

Katsuro X-2

“…innovative crew cab pickup normally reserved for heavier duty trucks. With how this handled our obstacle course, we can see this being used by the Forest Service…”

Pros: Low maintenance cost, great offroad
Cons: Subpar utility

Anhultz Dione V BX

“…reasonably sized coupe utility that is easy on gas…”

Pros: Great fuel economy, good utility, good drivability
Cons: High purchase cost

Hampton Transtar 2.0 (TIE)
Car equipped with radial tires. Designer has accepted the accompanying penalties.

“…excellent, inexpensive van that can be maneuvered at just about any job site…”

Pros: Best in class drivability, low purchase cost
Cons: Subpar offroad, high maintenance cost

Earl Thriftmaster 8-door (TIE)

“…less costly to procure than a Hampton, and cheaper to run. This one is less likely to be a good choice for construction trades, however…”

Pros: Low purchase cost, good fuel economy, good drivability
Cons: Poor offroad, poor utility

Courageux Porter
Car equipped with radial tires. Designer has accepted the accompanying penalties.

“…bargain-basement small van. We feel this would be best left to handyman services that don’t need to do any serious carrying…”

Pros: Lowest in class purchase price, low maintenance cost, best in class fuel economy
Cons: Worst in class utility, poor offroad

Dominion Labrador Stylemaster

“…overall a good, solid package for a work truck…”

Pros: Good utility, well balanced other than cons
Cons: Worst in class drivability, worst in class fuel economy

CCM TopPick 3Auto

“…undisputed champion of hauling in the entire class. There is a price to be paid for that title, however…”

Pros: Best in class utility, good offroad
Cons: Worst in class maintenance costs, poor in all other categories

Ardent A100 4WD

“…cheap to run and a competent 3/4 ton hauler. Ardent has hampered themselves with pricing, and the geriatric Vela engine is just too thirsty…”

Pros: Low maintenance cost
Cons: Highest in class purchase price, poor fuel economy, poor offroad, poor drivability

Rocha Cargo 421

“…riddled with embarassing design flaws, the Rocha Cargo 421 seems to be an embarassing step backwards from a company that was trying to bury its past…”

Pros: Relatively low purchase cost
Cons: Poor in all other aspects

Best of Muscle Car Class - 1966

Hampton Valiant V8 5.0
Car equipped with radial tires. Designer has accepted the accompanying penalties.

Over the past couple of years, there has definitely been a battle brewing for supremacy in power. Models once called family sedans have added fire-breathing cousins to the lineup, bringing danger and thrills around every corner for their owners. This group was indeed thrilling for us, not just for the cars, but to see if Bogliq would make a clean sweep. It was not destined to be, thanks to a Valiant effort.

Under the hood of our winner, the Hamption Valiant V8 5.0, is just what the name implies. A 5.0 liter V8. That’s 305 cubic inches, in this part of the world. While it’s not the most powerful of the bunch at 245 horsepower (that honor goes to Charge at 293 horses), the overall package of the Hampton makes it the best of the bunch this year.

In fact, it did not need to be the most powerful to net the fastest 0-60 acceleration time of the group at 7 seconds flat, thanks in part to beefy tires and a 4-speed manual transmission. Its suspension is also set up to carve corners, and gave us the best overall driving experience in the group.

This does come at a cost, quite literally in the Valiant’s case. Its sticker comes in a full 33% higher than its least expensive competitor, the Deer and Hunt.

Bogliq Sachem 143AE

“…was almost able to hang with the Valiant, and earns our second spot, mostly due to its handling characteristics…”

Pros: High sportiness, relatively low purchase cost
Cons: None

Anhultz Dione V S

“…gives a good ride both on the track and on the street…”

Pros: High sportiness, good drivability
Cons: None

Courageux Ambronday B 2500
Car equipped with radial tires. Designer has accepted the accompanying penalties.

“…more of a pony car due to its price point and lesser power. Yet it is still potent enough to break the 10 second 0-60 mark…”

Pros: Low purchase cost, lowest in class maintenance cost
Cons: Poor drivability, slow 0-60

Silverhare Spear GTA

“…rather sluggish cornering performance, though made up for in the straight line…”

Pros: Fast 0-60, relatively low maintenance cost
Cons: High purchase cost, poor drivability and sportiness combo

Charge Wesson GSX 415

“…A beast on the streets when it needs to be, and tamable by its owner. Unfortunately, its thirst can only be slaked by premium fuel, and it requires rigorous maintenance…”

Pros: Fast 0-60, good drivability
Cons: Poor sportiness, high maintenance cost

Ardent Chesapeake GT (TIE)

“…doesn’t cost nearly as much to buy or run as some of its competitors. It’s affordable, and will give at least one thrill…”

Pros: Low purchase price, low maintenance cost
Cons: Slow 0-60, poor drivability, poor sportiness

Rocha Madison RGT 670

“…quick off the line and can he handled by even the meek among drivers. Perhaps that’s because it can’t really handle sharply enough to get itself in trouble…”

Pros: Fast 0-60, best in class drivability
Cons: Poor sportiness, high purchase cost, high maintenance cost

Katsuro A-R15

“…a V8 can’t make this pegasus fly, so a pony it shall remain…”

Pros: Good drivability, low purchase price
Cons: Worst in class 0-60, poor sportiness

Dominion Atlantic Stag

“…premium-thirsty monster that costs nearly as much as a Valiant without the fun factor…”

Pros: Decent sportiness
Cons: High purchase price, highest in round maintenance cost

Deer and Hunt Fallow RUT

“…definitely a niche vehicle. Deer and Hunt continues on the RUT line, though public interest in it may not be high in the face of competitive hardtops and coupes…”

Pros: Lowest in class purchase price, relatively low maintenance cost
Cons: Literally everything else

Best Engine - 1966

Katsuro L6-2.6
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It seems over the past year or so, manufacturers have decided to up their games as far as power and overall speed of their cars. This kind of pulse-racing drive may be fine for the thrill seeker, but for the average driver, it can cause issues. As much as we love the sound and thrill of driving vehicles powered by such beasts as the Rocha Rocket, Ardent Triple Three, or Silverhare Caliber, our overall approval is not to be any of their ilk this year. In that spirit, our staff returned a verdict that may surprise some as far as our favorite engine.

It’s a mere 159 cubic inch, straight-six engine from Katsuro. With well under 100 horsepower and a fair amount of throttle lag, the L6-2.6 isn’t even the slightest bit sporty. But it is sublimely smooth and quiet, with reliability that would make a Swiss timepiece look sloppy. To top of its trifecta of usability for the every-man, it is very inexpensive to feed and run.

These are the details that, while seemingly mundane, make a truly spectacular motor.

GENERAL ENGINE ADVISORY

Six years ago we issued our first special engine advisory, warning about the aluminum Courageaux engine available in 1960. Since then, we have seen exceptionally poor designs pop up every few years. With that in mind, this will be the first year of our new “General Engine Advisory”. From here on, we will detail the most disconcerting engine choice we have come across each year.

It seems that our staff have a bit of a love-hate relationship with Katsuro. Soaring to great heights and capturing our Engine of the Year award for their L6-2.6, Katsuro also falls from grace with their A4-1.6 four-cylinder engine. While very inexpensive to operate and reasonably reliable, the A4 is one of the most unrefined, raucous engines we tested this year. In fact, the three loudest engines tested were all Katsuros.

Between its coarse manners and low power output, we just can’t recommend models equipped with this motor. We’d really rather drive something with an Ardent Eridani V6, and even that is a pretty low bar in and of itself.

Visual Design Honorable Mentions

Silverhare Spear GTA
Dominion Atlantic V8 Sedan

1960 Reliability Rankings

Anhultz - 62.03
Katsuro - 60.1
Earl/Silverhare - 59.48
Courageaux - 57.38
Bogliq - 57.13 (TIE)
Rocha - 57.13 (TIE)
Charge - 56.85
Dominion - 56.83
Ardent - 56.45
Deer and Hunt - 54.78
Hampton - 53.6

1966 Relative Ratings

Bogliq - 100
Katsuro - 88.45
Anhultz - 84.28
Hampton - 83.98
Earl/Silverhare - 83.86
Charge - 80.86
Courageax - 74.45
Deer and Hunt - 64.74
Ardent - 64.03
Dominion - 58.90
Rocha - 56.20

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Lol an interesting year… almost a clean sweep for Boliq… Katsuro making the slowest “muscle” car ever and the best and worst engines at the same time lol

P.S… I rushed out all models the same night… lol serves me right… but awesome round I think.

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Round 4 - 1972

While Cold War tensions are still at their heights, there is a glimmer of hope on the horizon, as the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty is signed. Still, both sides are in a stalemate. Soviet Union gains a minor victory in the space race when they launch the first space station, while the USA has a scare when the Apollo 13 mission suffers crippling damage in flight, with the crew barely making it back to Earth with their lives. Nixon is elected as president of the United States. In a shock to the pop culture world, the Beatles disband. Walt Disney opens his second theme park, this time in Florida. World travel is revolutionized by the introduction of the Boeing 747 jumbo jet. The Sapporo Olympics are slated for this year, and it is looking to be a showdown between the USA and the Eastern Bloc.

Economy
Unemployment: Low
Inflation: Low
Economy: Booming
Short-term economic forecast: Continued expansion

Notable Social and Political Happenings

Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty. Beatles break up. Apollo 13 accident. Boeing 747 introduced. 26th Amendment. Disneyworld opens. USSR launches first space station. '72 Winter Olympics in Sapporo.

Regulations

Fuel: Leaded (universal), Super Leaded (universal), Regular Unleaded (common)

Bumpers: 2.5 MPH bumpers required. If a body has integrated bumpers, these qualify.

Front lights and fixtures: At least one pair of headlights required. Only round, sealed-beam are allowed in this era. At least one pair of turn indicators required. Exactly ONE pair of parking lights is required. Turn signals and headlights may NOT be placed in bumpers, but parking lights MAY. There must be some form of visual separation between turn and park lights, either by physical separation (separate fixtures) or color separation (Different color bulbs in the same fixture)

Front light colors: No red may face forward. Parking lights MUST be amber.

Rear lights: At least one pair of brake lights. At least one pair of turn signals. At least one pair of reverse lights. NO lights may be placed bumpers (however, optional red reflectors may be). If turn and brake lights are in the same fixture and of the same color, there must be a minimum of two bulbs in the fixture.

Rear light colors: Brakes must be red. Reverse must be white. Turn signals cannot be white.

Side marker/signal lights: Front side markers required. Rear side markers/reflectors are REQUIRED now.

Side light colors: Front side markers must be amber. Rear side markers must be red.

Mirrors: Driver’s side required.

Aerials: Long mast or retractable antenna required if car has a radio.

Fuel fillers: Fillers on the rear panel and hidden behind fixtures are legally allowed. This is the LAST round that this is the case. Fuel fillers must be on the opposite end of the vehicle from the engine.

Tires: Cross ply or Radial now available for all manufacturers. No semi-slicks.

File Naming Convention:
Model: G2R4-(category)-(username) Trim: (MFR Model Trim)

Engine: G2R4-(category)-(username) Variant: (Whatever you want)

Export and PM me the .car file, make a post about your car in your lore thread (if not already there), and post an ad in this thread BEFORE the round deadline.

Vehicle Categories This Round:

Intermediate (File naming convention: IM) - Larger than a compact car, usually a size class smaller than the manufacturer’s flagship vehicle but by this time can be encroaching on size.

Luxury (File naming convetion: LX) - Flagship model full of technology. Can be any size, but is often the largest model available from any given manufacturer.

Muscle Car (File naming convention: MC) - High-power cars, often 2-doors based off of existing models. Can include Pony Cars as well. CHALLENGE: Vehicle should be the same model as before, or a trim of your current Intermediate model if it has been redesigned in the mean time.

Remember, vehicle categories are based on your company’s lore for the US market, there is not a specific body size requirement or type for any category…

NO NEW COMPANY REGISTRATIONS ARE BEING ACCEPTED

Round 4 deadline: Saturday August 8, 4:00 PM PST (UTC-8)

Companies now eligible in this competition:
ALL COMPANIES NOW ELIGIBLE
@interior and @nicholasrams774, that means you’re up!

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I made three sets of cars for this round…

  • The first set I finished then dumped because they looked weird (suspension seemed too tall)
  • The second set had body morphing issues that I didn’t notice until the last car was finished (still no idea what happened)
  • The final set, which I entered, I sweated bullets making the Exordium due to it being the first application of my new way of approaching car design. I did everything I could to make it as helpful and as useable as possible for the target buyer, while saving resources elsewhere in order to keep costs down. The rest of the range were more conventional but I still had certain buyers in mind for them as well.

So I’m rather glad that I didn’t bomb out (as I was expecting) but basically sweeping the board…

Looks like Bogliq will be generating lots of profits in the next few years, which will help pay for all my extra-curricular activities, hahaha!

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Hampton Motor Group - Round 3 Aftermath/Round 4 Prologue

The Swingin’ Sixties were proving to be a boom period for the Hampton Motor Group as a whole thus far. Despite reliability concerns, their entire lineup was still earning praise from the motoring press, especially in America. The Transtar stood out for being the best work van on the market (and as such was more popular with fleets than ever before), but the biggest plaudits of all were reserved for their muscle car, the Valiant V8 5.0. With more than enough performance to justify its higher price relative to its competitors, it fended off all its opposition with ease. Granted, it was the size of a pony car, and its engine was not the largest or the most powerful, but in conjunction with its light, well-tuned chassis, it worked wonders on the road, and at the track, where they began winning numerous touring car races around the globe.

Meanwhile, back in Warwickshire, on a cool autumn day in 1966, Toby remained as upbeat as ever. In his speech for the future of the Hampton Motor Group, he outlined his plans for 1972 and beyond: "Since its establishment in 1948, our company has gone from strength to strength. Yes, some of our products are falling behind in reliability, but it’s nowhere near catastrophic, although we are working on improvements on that front as we speak. On the other hand, the press has always had something good to say about our cars.

On that note, we are delighted to receive word that our first-ever muscle car, the Valiant V8 5.0, has been voted best in class by Motor Review World in the United States. It earned top spot purely on merit, with more than enough performance to justify its price. And we’ll let the world know about it - by entering it in various touring car competitions, from the British Saloon Car Championship to the American Trans-Am series.

As for the future, we will adapt our lineup to meet constantly changing regulations worldwide. To that end, our design and engineering teams are developing revised versions of the mid-sized Valiant II and flagship Vanguard, all of which are expected to go on sale by 1972. We’re doing this out of necessity - the Valiant II is a new platform, while the Vanguard still has plenty of life left in it. Even so, the latter could yet receive a complete redesign instead if we feel that it is the best solution for our company and its reputation.

Thank you all very much for showing your dedication to this proud British company. Its future lies in your hands, so be sure to make the most of it."

Shortly afterwards, Toby got into his brand new Valiant V8 5.0 (which he had just received as a company car) and drove back to his home in the English countryside. He knew that the current muscle car boom, as intense as it was, would not last forever, but in the meantime his colleagues were preparing an even more powerful version of the Valiant V8, with a detuned version of its engine planned for the new Vanguard. All in all, there would be interesting times ahead for the Hampton Motor Group, to say the least.

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1966 Aftermath

Market situation:

Anhultz Puck I

  • decent sales
  • customers praise fuel eco and reliability
  • critique for low practicality (possibly down to the press-model being a two-door)

Model will be replaced by the already planned Anhultz Puck II in 1967

Anhultz Dione V C

  • sales not as strong (relative to competitors) as Puck
  • customers consider it difficult to drive
  • safety is below-average

A monocoque chassis is currently in development for the Dione VI and upcoming Mimas V (both '68, Dione possibly '69).

Prices for automatic gearboxes will be reduced on Dione B. Those will be made standard equipment for Dione C and Dione D. Customers will be able to order a manual transmission if desired.

Anhultz Dione BX (utility):

  • customers like the ease of driving together with goot utilitarian use (for it’s size, especially)
  • the vehicle is considered expensive to purchase

Changes mainly come through the adoption of the monocoque chassis on the sedan/ wagon models

Anhultz Dione S:

  • people just like it
  • Anhultz higher-ups consider the fuel eco to be too bad for an Anhultz

changes made through introduction of Dione VI

Politics:

  • Anhultz is looking at Keika Automotive in search of establishing a more serious effort in more sporty segments. Keika currently is using Anhultz drivetrains for their low-volume sports cars.
  • Thanks a lot to Bogliq Automotive USA @HighOctaneLove for supplying the chassis plans!
  • Rough ideas are being tossed around including a shared effort in a dedicated utility vehicle, potentially reintroducing the Callisto line to US cusomers.

Company relations:

what does Anhultz think of others?
 Relation Hated Cold Neutral Warm Friendly
Company -  Ardent Motors Corporation   literally everyone else  - Bogliq Automotive USA
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Well, I suppose the pressure’s off for Earl at this point. Between pushrod engines and live rear axles, hyper-realistically engineered American cars are going to be doomed until the 80s, at least. My muscle car was already failing in handling I’m 1966 with my best suspension tuning.

That, and the intermediate at least should probably have cross ply tires, and both the intermediate and muscle car ought to have rear drums.

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Only one manufacturer used an overhead cam setup at all (and that wasn’t even on all their cars), everyone else was pushrods. And live axles were the norm in these submissions, though some were coil instead of leaf.

But yes, we’ll see how people engineer this next round…

I already know that Ardent is doomed, since the engine being used in one of the entries is basically 25 years old by the time of this round. The other two are only a few years old, but still have potentially fatal drawbacks. All of them are thoroughly realistically American designs for their size classes.

Because of the “Recycle your muscle car” challenge, it’s no secret: Both the intermediate and the muscle will be a Chesapeake again. And anyone whose seen my lore knows the Manhattan is going to be the luxury car.

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That manufacturer is in fact mine - the Hampton Motor Group of Warwickshire, England. They began using overhead-cam engines for their core range as early as 1956, which is also when most of their cars (except for their utility and sports car lines) adopted coil-sprung live rear axles.

With that in mind, I’m also thinking of submitting variants of the Valiant in the intermediate and muscle categories once again. Hampton’s company lore, meanwhile, dictates that the Vanguard will be positioned as a luxury car.

As for these regulations?

What exactly is a 2.5 mph bumper, assuming it’s not integrated? Also, do front fog lights count as parking lights?

Yeah, but am I correct in the three Bogliqs all had independent rear suspension? Even the ute? Plus one had a 1.4 liter engine. All very, very unusual in an American car. Plus the top muscle car was a radial-tired European.

It would seem what is the norm is not what is winning.

And yeah @abg7 posed a good question. AFAIK the bumper laws didn’t come into effect until '73. Most bumpers in '72 looked just as flimsy as '71. On the flip, most cars were being tuned for unleaded by then.

After receiving news of poor safety in their midsize Wesson, the Charge CCM Company built a new crash testing facility in Vancouver, Washington. With a new upcoming luxury model, they are throwing all they have into building the ultimate safety car. They hope to add some of the techniques they learn into the 1969 facelift of the Wesson.

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You are incorrect on the bogliqs. They all had solid axle coil.

The radial tire winner did so despite a penalty to all stats. Yes, it would have been unusual tires to see back then on an American manufactured car, but we were well behind the times in tires because, well, Murica.

As far as tuning for unleaded, it was starting to happen but didn’t reach “most” production cars until '74.

As for bumpers: that just means they are required. The “2.5 MPH” was an intermediate step before 5 MPH bumpers in 73. They can be minimal or flimsy if you want, but they have to be there.

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Blockquote You are incorrect on the bogliqs. They all had solid axle coil.

Ah, I was confused by your note that they all had an “unusual wishbone-and-coil setup”. It was admittedly probably pushing it for both Earl and Bogliq to put it on compacts, but that combination was on all of GM’s big cars starting in 1958 and even in their trucks from 1967 to 1972.

Looks like I’m going to have to put a chassis and suspension data block on all my lore blog entries, so that this confusion can be easily cleared up in the future!

I’m doing my best, but I’m an Aussie, which means that US rules and norms don’t come naturally to me. I’ve googled this stuff plenty of times and there simply isn’t any definitive source that timelines this data out in any meaningful way…

Also, if you read my lore entries, you’ll see that I’m not RP’ing a “typical” US manufacturer. I’m loosely comparable to AMC in that I’m trying to make customer-centric cars, rather than sell “polished turds”, lol.

US manufacturers were 100% capable of innovation; they were richer and better established than European marques of the era. The reason they chose to stagnate was simple, they chose profits over people, with the most obvious evidence being the Pinto lawsuits versus fault rectification debacle.

If your company makes a DW front end, then it can easily engineer a DW rear end. Same goes for springs, disc brakes and body innovations such as hatchbacks. Monocoque chassis development is less clear cut, which is why I haven’t got any monocoque cars in my line-up, but by the 70’s, when the “big three” were buying Euro brands, the know-how was clearly available and this is when they started to introduce monocoque to the US. Radial tyres were available for a long time before they became mainstream in the US and it was money that drove their delay too…

Americans are just as smart as anyone else. Europeans loved lighter, smarter cars and so do Americans, but because the car companies refused to offer anything better, the US public were conditioned to believe that dross was the best they could get!

My entire range will be making a Mk II facelift in 1970 so my cars will be a couple of Sachems and my Primarius luxury car. The Primarius has DW’s all 'round, with the customer-centric focus showing that the customers loved the IRS so much that it wasn’t worth the cost savings of a solid coil setup.

Thanks to the Australian Holden Commodore, with it’s trailing arm travesty, I cannot use them without struts and a monocoque. Besides, DW front end parts can be re-used in the rear end, which reaps (in RL, lol) savings in parts costs, supply chains and end-user maintenance.

Hey VicVictory, I thought I’d put leaves in the rear of the Haulstar? I’m going to have to check that out because I meant to put a leaf sprung rear end in there!!!

EDIT: I checked my file and the Haulstar has a leaf sprung rear end!!! I was rather worried for a minute there, since I could’ve just made a Sachem ute and van if I’d installed coils, :rofl:

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I could have sworn I read coil when I pulled up the file during the writing phase… ah well, lol

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I’m doing my best, but I’m an Aussie, which means that US rules and norms don’t come naturally to me. I’ve googled this stuff plenty of times and there simply isn’t any definitive source that timelines this data out in any meaningful way…

If you are ever genuinely curious about the accuracy of a given technology, I am familiar with all the firsts of the US auto industry up through the 80s. For example, the first car in the US with radial tires as a factory option was in 1967, and the first standard was for 1969. Both were very luxurious. You couldn’t even get radials in an auto shop in the US before then, you’d have to go to a specialty import dealer. Even in 1972, only the luxury car and perhaps the muscle car should have radials, and none of them should have rear discs. The most sophisticated luxury car in the country may have had optional four wheel anti-lock brakes, but still no discs on the back. Meanwhile, monocoque chassis, which you have avoided, dominated all of Chrysler since 1960. Chrysler innovated way more than AMC did, in terms of being customer-centric.

It’s not that US manufacturers never tried to innovate. But whenever it did it either bit them immediately in the behind or no one bought the features.

  • Fuel Injection, AMC, GM, & Chrysler, 1957 - unpopular, people would rather buy a larger engine and have a carb they would work on. Cancelled the next year.
  • Air suspension, GM, 1958 - at least as reliable as Citroen’s pneumatic, but a Cadillac buyer wouldn’t accept French reliability, enough people complained it got recalled.
  • Aluminum engine blocks, Chrysler, 1960 - people bought slightly cheaper compacts from competitors, so Chrysler quickly made the slant six iron
  • Anti-Lock brakes, Ford, 1969 (two wheel) & Chrysler, 1970 (four wheel) - available as a cheap option, but nobody bought them.
  • AlSi engines, GM, 1970 - well, this one was admittedly GM’s fault for messing up, but points for trying

Et cetera, et cetera. American companies quickly learned that most of their customers would rather have less sophisticated engineering than give up an iota in price, maintenance, or reliability. “You never lose money by appealing to the lowest common denominator.” A good combination of traditional engineering still went pretty far in the early 70s - a 1973 Cutlass matched the braking, cornering, accelerating and mileage performance of a Mercedes S class costing 3 times as much. So US makers settled in simply due to experience - if they got any bigger, the government would have broken them up under antitrust laws anyway. The UAW settled in too, letting quality slip; the government laid down the law ruining reliability; and any savings in price was chipped away by OPEC. That’s all besides the competition improving. Once they woke up and put in effort in the 80s it was too late.

Americans are just as smart as anyone else. Europeans loved lighter, smarter cars and so do Americans, but because the car companies refused to offer anything better, the US public were conditioned to believe that dross was the best they could get!

Only enthusiasts in America care about light, small cars today. Everything from all makes, domestic and foreign, is trending towards larger, and into crossovers and trucks and not sedans. The only popular sedans are silver rental-spec Japanese blandmobiles. Companies make what people will buy, buyers are just fickle.

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Corvette has had 4-wheel disc brakes since 1965.

There is a website where you can see folders of most American cars since 1900 … I recommend it as a source of research!

Have fun!!

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