GTM1 - Sport Sedan Shoot Out [Closed]

GTM1: Sports Sedan Shootout

It’s 1991, and the team at Glove & Tire, better known as GT Magazine, is gearing up for a year end sports sedan comparison test. GT has been a trusted source of automotive news and reviews for almost 10 years, built on the simple idea that driving should be fun. Now, as a new generation of performance sedans emerges, GT is ready to find out which one delivers the best thrill behind the wheel.

I plan to write an article about the cars and I would like to include all sorts of details, maybe not about your whole company but certainly about the specific model. There’s a lot about a car I can deduce through stats, but not everything. So you might get a couple questions, just to help me understand what the car is about and maybe its history. If you’re not into that you can still enter of course.

Also for lore, this challenge takes place on real earth, not automation world. Except none of the real world manufacturers are present, only you guys.

Rules

General:
This challenge is on the Open Beta version of the game.

Model/Family name: GTM1-(your username)
Model/Family year: free
Trim/Variant name: free
Trim/Variant year: 1991

Techpool: 25m combined
No race part or semi slicks.
Price: ~30k (not hard limit)

Interiors are not required and will not be judged.

Cars must have a US license plates and comply with US regulations.
Memes will be binned. Needs to at least try to be realistic for the era and road legal.

Engine:
Must meet WES 8.
Maximum noise 60
No V16s
Fuel: unleaded regular 91 RON. You can use 95 Premium but it’ll incur a small penalty.

Body:
No legacy bodies.
Wheel base 2.4 - 3m as rounded by Automation.
Must have 5 full seats (2 front, 3 rear)
Must have radial tires, with size ending in 5 (185, 205, 225 etc)
Must be a sedan and have 4 or 5 doors. (Just has to look like a sedan even if the game calls it something else. Ask if unsure)
Minimum Safety: 30
No legacy bodies.

Scoring

This challenge will have 3 winners:

Most Charming: A largely subjective criteria based on design and engineering choices over execution.

Most Fun: The most sporty of the sports sedans. Raw stats like 0-60 and skid pad Gs along with fun and feel are most important here.

GT recommends: This is the overall best car according to GT magazine. The car with the best blend of sportiness, practicality and value

So some relevant stats include:
0-60, Sportiness, Drivability, Comfort, Lateral Gs, Price, MPGs, Fun*, Practicality**, Safety.

*Fun is a stat I made derived from various in game stats that I will not reveal
**Practicality will be judged based on wheelbase, body shape and subjectivity since I don’t totally trust the in game stat.

Price will be judged relative to other entries. I’ll average the prices and anything over that will deduct points and anything under will gain points.

Also things you might not expect can affect some scores/descriptions, like putting negative quality in steering and assists can be interpreted as the car having vague/uncommunicative steering (this is just an example, that’s not solely what that’s based on). As long as you consider what your choices would do to a real car there shouldn’t be any surprises.

You will very likely have a car compromised in some aspect, and thats perfectly ok and by design.

Inspiration






Submissions

Post an ad in this thread for your car
DM me the .car file

You can provide as much or as little flavour as you like.

Here are some questions you can also provide answers for in your ad or dm that can help me write about your car;

What is your brand’s phylosophy?
Are sporty cars something they make often?
Is there any specific tech they are known for being good at (ie chassis tuning, engines, good sounds. This is just for lore and won’t affect the actually scoring, just the write up)?
Is the brand making any claims about the car? (30% stiffer chassis, brand new platform/engine etc)
How long has this model been around?
Are there previous generations of this model?
Did they also have this trim?

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Any chance to get a general guideline to what sort of questions you would want answered for those who would want to answer them in their initial submission DM?

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Yeah makes sense!
I will add it to the post, but it would mostly be things like; What is the brand’s identity/phylosophy? What’s their reputation like? Are sporty cars something they make often or is this new? Have there been previous generations of this model and did they also have this trim? How’s the car being marketed? (that last one should be in the submission technically)

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Oh nice, this is very similar to the current AGC round so will tie in nicely.
Not sure about limiting quality when you already have price limits in place, and what fuel are we using?
Other than that it looks like a solid ruleset.

Ngl I completely forgot about the fuel thing, will add that.
As for the quality, I suppose that’s true. But would I still need a lower limit? I remember something about “abusing low quality” but idk what that meant. Just that most of the challenges I referenced had a min quality limit.

mm for instance people could have really low quality safety and lose a lot of weight that way, sacrificing safety to the minimum. Beyond that negative quality (lots of) doesn’t really have any advantages in the other stats afaik.

While you’re not judging safety, maybe you should as it’s meant to be a sporty “family” car.

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Safety is considered to a small degree. Less than normal since the 30 safety regulation was just put in place in 1990, so for the journalists any car that meets these new standards is safe enough. At least that was my thinking. That being said you are right that these are family cars so it should be judged the same way mpgs are judged only because these are daily drivers.
I will open up quality selection then, want to give people flexibility.

Specifically, two of them have to be in the front row; the other three must all go in the rear row.

Also, tires should be of radial construction and have sizes that are not divisble by zero.

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From my perspective, including every stat (or at least close to it) on some level in the judging criteria, without a simple pass/fail number, can be a way to mitigate the risk of overuse of negative quality, since negative quality anywhere will have at least some negative effect on the car’s score.

Speaking of scoring, it would be helpful to have some sense of the relative importance of the scoring criteria, especially for the “GT recommends” category. There are different ways of looking at a “blend” of stats, and it’w impossible to make informed decisions about design tradeoffs without having at least some idea of what the tradeoffs are

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The difficult question if I use the FWD or RWD sedan.

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Generally the only hard limit stats are regulations as per campaign and things like seats that would move the car into another class. The entries will be judged by many many things.

As far as the scoring goes, it’s deliberately opaque. This challenge is based on old comparison articles I read, where the magazines would always include odd ball cars that all technically fit the category at hand but did it in different ways. So I want to allow for creativity. To do that there are no one set of stats that will win the GT recommends category. Each car is judged on what it is and how well it does its thing and how much it costs to do that. I guess the dream is that people are guided by what trade offs the brand would make, but I also don’t expect everyone to be invested in that.

This is just intention of course, and if the challenge feels aimless rn I’m open to ideas.

No open beta, I implore you…

but supercharger…

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At this point, barely anyone is still on the stable version.

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Weightless and zero-SVC supercharger…

Is the “small penalty” for using 95 Premium a, Cost Penalty or a Scoring penalty?

yea thats really unclear, can you say what the penalty is?

This stat doesn’t really make sense to be hidden so here you go. Using premium basically just adds $250 to service cost. It’s a pretty minor thing on the whole, people buying sports sedans are ready to pay extra for fuel. I was considering just dropping the penalty entirely.

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nah dont drop it, max lower it to like 100-150

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are DLC bodies allowed . and please confirm Open Beta . and for a GT 35k is very low

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