Maybe a rule that says that cars have to look like 1988 cars rather than have a body from the last 10 years? Some cars that could easily pass as 88 models (eg. the “not a Golf” and “not a Toyota Starlet”) are available from 1975-76.
Generally speaking, cars in 1988 were either aerodynamic blobs that weren’t quite 1990s cars (Audi B3, Ford Taurus, Opel Omega/Senator A, Ford Sierra, etc.) or boxy and angular (Golf II, BMW E34, Chevrolet Caprice, Volvo 240, etc.). Typically, the chrome levels on European and Japanese cars (as in the 1990s) were very sparse, matte plastic was everywhere (if you had paid extra, you could get the bumpers and the mirrors painted), and so on. Some ordinary cars (Mazda 323F and Honda Accord, for example) used popup headlamps as a desperate meassure to look sporty (just like every plain and unattractive car these days has low-profile alloy wheels), thus killing the novelty of these for good.
[quote=“Felgen”]Maybe a rule that says that cars have to look like 1988 cars rather than have a body from the last 10 years? Some cars that could easily pass as 88 models (eg. the “not a Golf” and “not a Toyota Starlet”) are available from 1975-76.
Generally speaking, cars in 1988 were either aerodynamic blobs that weren’t quite 1990s cars (Audi B3, Ford Taurus, Opel Omega/Senator A, Ford Sierra, etc.) or boxy and angular (Golf II, BMW E34, Chevrolet Caprice, Volvo 240, etc.). Typically, the chrome levels on European and Japanese cars (as in the 1990s) were very sparse, matte plastic was everywhere (if you had paid extra, you could get the bumpers and the mirrors painted), and so on. Some ordinary cars (Mazda 323F and Honda Accord, for example) used popup headlamps as a desperate meassure to look sporty (just like every plain and unattractive car these days has low-profile alloy wheels), thus killing the novelty of these for good.[/quote]
I think it would make more sense to just go back 20 years (too bad there isn’t a 15 years limiter in the game). There are some “typical” 80s car looks, but they don’t all fit. Looks on a car are very subjective and therefore wide open to interpretation. For the most part 60s cars looked very different from 80s cars, but not all of them. The only thing which can really be agreed on about looks of different decades, is 40s-50s cars don’t look much like 80s cars. Even saying this, however, can be subjective, as sports cars of the 50s weren’t THAT different from later decades, and some cars kept similar bodies throughout their entire lifespan (think VW Beetle or Porsche 911) with only subtle changes across many decades.
[quote=“Felgen”]Maybe a rule that says that cars have to look like 1988 cars rather than have a body from the last 10 years? Some cars that could easily pass as 88 models (eg. the “not a Golf” and “not a Toyota Starlet”) are available from 1975-76.
Generally speaking, cars in 1988 were either aerodynamic blobs that weren’t quite 1990s cars (Audi B3, Ford Taurus, Opel Omega/Senator A, Ford Sierra, etc.) or boxy and angular (Golf II, BMW E34, Chevrolet Caprice, Volvo 240, etc.). Typically, the chrome levels on European and Japanese cars (as in the 1990s) were very sparse, matte plastic was everywhere (if you had paid extra, you could get the bumpers and the mirrors painted), and so on. Some ordinary cars (Mazda 323F and Honda Accord, for example) used popup headlamps as a desperate meassure to look sporty (just like every plain and unattractive car these days has low-profile alloy wheels), thus killing the novelty of these for good.[/quote]
I think it would make more sense to just go back 20 years (too bad there isn’t a 15 years limiter in the game). There are some “typical” 80s car looks, but they don’t all fit. Looks on a car are very subjective and therefore wide open to interpretation. For the most part 60s cars looked very different from 80s cars, but not all of them. The only thing which can really be agreed on about looks of different decades, is 40s-50s cars don’t look much like 80s cars. Even saying this, however, can be subjective, as sports cars of the 50s weren’t THAT different from later decades, and some cars kept similar bodies throughout their entire lifespan (think VW Beetle or Porsche 911) with only subtle changes across many decades.[/quote]
'The Porsche 911 is an example of the same basic design in several different generation. It’s pretty obvious that the 993 is neither a 1960’s nor a 2010’s car, for instance. Moreover, the VW Beetle didn’t exactly use cutting-edge tecnology in the 1960’s and 1970’s. To be fair, the modern day Porsche 911 can be considered a retro-designed car.
My last mods (since the VMO q90 headlight) doesn’t had performance problems. The older mods I doesn’t fixed, but I will fix in a future (note: the performance problems only appears when you move or put into the body one of my older fixtures).
The problem isn’t with the poly count anymore, it’s the fact that the grilles and vents cheat on cooling. If someone uses them in their cars, the car will have too little drag added by the grilles, which makes them have unfairly good economy and top speeds
No offence VMO but just because you arent the only one doesnt make it right This is one of the biggest reasons I am VERY hesitant to use anything other than stock grilles and vents. VMO, do you know of other parts that are “cheating”? I would like to know so I can stop using them as well just in case they mess up the stats.
EDIT: Now I can see your edited values being ok once tooling and engineering costs are implemented, yours could have very high costs to offset the gains in performance.
[quote=“BlastersPewPew”]No offence VMO but just because you arent the only one doesnt make it right This is one of the biggest reasons I am VERY hesitant to use anything other than stock grilles and vents. VMO, do you know of other parts that are “cheating”? I would like to know so I can stop using them as well just in case they mess up the stats.
EDIT: Now I can see your edited values being ok once tooling and engineering costs are implemented, yours could have very high costs to offset the gains in performance.[/quote]
Yep.
And the other cheated grilles, the 40-50% of grilles mod (except the latest ones) available in Workshop, because I think that some modders uses my LUA file.
But since my Urban 2016 grille, I’m using the LUA files from the original Automation grilles.
I think it would make more sense to just go back 20 years (too bad there isn’t a 15 years limiter in the game). There are some “typical” 80s car looks, but they don’t all fit. Looks on a car are very subjective and therefore wide open to interpretation. For the most part 60s cars looked very different from 80s cars, but not all of them. The only thing which can really be agreed on about looks of different decades, is 40s-50s cars don’t look much like 80s cars. Even saying this, however, can be subjective, as sports cars of the 50s weren’t THAT different from later decades, and some cars kept similar bodies throughout their entire lifespan (think VW Beetle or Porsche 911) with only subtle changes across many decades.
'The Porsche 911 is an example of the same basic design in several different generation. It’s pretty obvious that the 993 is neither a 1960’s nor a 2010’s car, for instance. Moreover, the VW Beetle didn’t exactly use cutting-edge tecnology in the 1960’s and 1970’s. To be fair, the modern day Porsche 911 can be considered a retro-designed car.[/quote]
I think maybe you’re missing my point. While the 993 might not look like an original 1964 911, the body shape is nearly identical, save for a few slight differences. Also keeping in mind my point was a body can be successfully used over multiple decades with minimal appearance changes. The original 911 was produced from 1964 through 1989. That is 26 years of production with only subtle styling differences. The 964, 993, 996, 997, and 991 might not be the original chassis, and it’s probably true that there were serious modifications made even during the initial first generation’s run, but the body looks nearly identical in shape and size. Since we have no real way of modifying the actual underpinnings of the chassis on trim updates, we have to consider this appearance aspect aesthetically, and not functionally. The game makes this assumption for us, but it isn’t visible other than in desirability index and safety stats.
Same for the Beetle, as my comment had no mention of technology and only made a claim of aesthetic value of a given body over a period of time. The technology of the Beetle might not have been high on the charts, but aesthetically, the body survived nearly 100% intact over a period of 60 years! Sure, there are differences, but only a hardcore Beetle lover would really know the differences between a Beetle produced in 1938 and one produced in 1983.
Of course, none of this matters much, since the OP decided to consider it from my perspective and extended it to a 20 year body usefulness, with a “given” aesthetics understood that it must have at least some appearance characteristics of an 80s automobile.
Double wishbones front and rear… Must be good for sportiness and drivability, but I can’t imagine the off-road stat is doing well. My car has so far taken a more off-road approach, but I don’t know now, if that’s the benchmark car.
Moreover, the VW Beetle didn’t exactly use cutting-edge tecnology in the 1960’s and 1970’s. To be fair, the modern day Porsche 911 can be considered a retro-designed car.
