Clarify for minimum years of model and family? I know trim and variant must be 2003 but what is the minimum year for model and engine family? Minimum year like 1998 should be reasonable enough, and obviously 2003 maximum.
Some popular cars like the Mk1 Ford Focus, Mk4 Vauxhall Astra and Mk4 Volkswagen Golf were all released in 1998, they were popular in 2003, which this challenge takes place in.
Why would a minimum be needed? Having an older model/engine than trim/variant puts you at a disadvantage anyway, and the older you go the worse it is. Thereâs not any cheese advantage to doing so.
If someone wants to handicap themselves by making as an FSO-Polonez-like, thereâs nothing wrong with that.
Regarding emissions standards, WES 11 compatibility is possible in 2003 - but I get why WES 9 is the minimum standard for this QFC; itâs more easily attainable.
Also, tires should be radial (with a width ending in 5), and even then, they should not be of the offroad/all-terrain variety (nor should semi-slick/race tires be allowed either - the client isnât looking for a track/race car, after all).
And as for aerodynamics, how much downforce (if at all) should be permitted on either axle (front or rear) at maximum?
To check, is using ATS to adjust suspension height is allowed?
Anyone interested in a collab? I want to try engineering something in Al Rilma but I donât feel like designing a car.
Iâd be interested. I really enjoy the design side of things and would love to contribute there. While my engineering is not terrible I feel like I have a bit to learn there.
i too would like a discussion about this
also i noticed price isnt in the priority list lol
They will; specifically, I plan to buff them for comfort (because the big benefit of a âsaloon,â as they would call it, is the extra sound isolation and I donât think thatâs properly captured in Automation) and probably for design simply because, while hatchbacks were the mainstream standard in 2000s England, saloons would still (perhaps because of their D-segment domination at this point) be seen as more aspirational; Iâd put that buff under prestige if it was a scoring category here!
Like Edsel said, there isnât a cheese advantage so Iâm letting that be (which de facto means 2003-all-the-things) even though a lot of these cars would ârealisticallyâ have been refreshed late-90s models with engines deriving from earlier than that.
Indeed, and that is also being fixed - itâll be another 3-star priority but thatâs more to make it clearly âmore than a tiebreakerâ given how many other priorities there are that will benefit from not cheaping out 
That is for diesel 
In fact IIRC the petrol Euro standards 1-5 align perfectly with WES 7-11.
Well, that explains the divergence - thank you! I clearly read off the wrong table 
They donât align perfectly, but the inaccuracy is done for expedient gameplay.
Euro 3 and 4 do both align perfectly with WES 9 and 10. However, Euro 5 introduced particulate matter tests for Direct Injection engines⌠but an extra check that only applies for one decade and one generation of cars wasnât worth it. Meanwhile, more significantly, Euro 1 and 2 combined HC and NOx into one combined number. This number is used as the NOx standard for WES 7 and 8, but thatâs not entirely accurate because you wonât have zero HC. Lastly, the test cycle is different. The EU only swapped from NEDC to WLTP around 2017, while the game uses it from the very first batch of test cycles. The difference in cycles can be pretty big, sometimes over double the HC and CO.
This is all a little bit besides the point though. WES is a good enough approximation of the real Euro levels, and itâs good enough for QFC.
wait do we have a max loudness for the engine?
It hasnât been explicitly stated yet, but we are required to install a catalytic converter and a muffler of some sort.
even though loud engines reduce comfort (idk by how much tho) a max loudness rule should be made.
oh its 7 minutes after end of rules delib damn
Agreed, and I was later to actually close it lol - the loudness cap will be 45, as used in TMCC (another 00s UK challenge).
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âŚThatâs not how rules work. If it hasnât been explicitly stated, then you arenât. (Also, yes it has?!)
Also, a loudness cap is probably overkill for a challenge thatâs already on the complicated side by QFC standards⌠but I did miss the deadline, so maybe a bit late for that.
I somehow made WES 11 compatible engine in 1998, also im deciding on name so ignore the placeholder and incorrect year, its in wip
2003 Veloux M24 Ri 24v
âA different kind of car, Velouxâ
Not typically a brand that often comes up in conversations about sporty vehicles, Veloux has still tried multiple times to break that fact, with their effort in 2003 being one of the more memorable.
The M24, a quirky C-Segment vehicle that debuted in January 2003 to much interest, as it seemed to be more in spirit to the Veloux models of the 70s/80s, often seen as the brands golden era by many, compared to the models which had filled the Veloux line up for the 15 years prior to the M24.
Of all the trim levels, one stood out, the Ri 24v, discreet, but still a sports version within the details, utilising a V6, it could propel the M24 to 60 in 8 seconds and climb up to a top speed of nearly 140mph, making it a quick favourite of the French police and patriotic French family men who fancied some speed in their life, whilst remaining loyal to the French automakers.
