The Car Shopping Round (Round 64): Tears in Heaven

I wasn’t around to play Vice city so how does it compare with GTA V?

Very well as far as I am aware - audio/visuals are nowhere near as sharp but the gameplay and soundtrack remain among the best. I always preferred the Cheetah to other sports cars, simply because drifting it was more rewarding than anything else. :slight_smile:

And this round is very liberal - which means I have plenty of ideas for an entry. Too many, in fact… But at least it’s a return to the present day.

Edit: @lordvader1 has a point - I am thinking of using normal aspiration for drivability’s sake, and besides, turbos also add weight. On the other hand, AWD will increase drivability, so I might consider using it…

protip: turbo is bad for driveability

fuel economy and emissions are irrelevant

I’m confident with my performance choices. Undoubtedly, it’ll be beaten in raw performance by the multitude of incoming hypercars, but I’ve got a few tricks up my sleeve.

well i just remembered. i made a modernized Serba :slight_smile: what’s that again about high powered turbo being undriveable?

overall gameplay pretty much different even if you compare GTA VC to GTA SA although both of them have no suspension damage like IV and V. i kinda forget how GTA VC feels since its been years since i play GTA VC and VC stories plus i barely touch GTA V since i dont have one due weak laptop and im only play it on my friend PS4 so sorry if i cant really explain it to you.

overall general car oversteer on road pretty much tameable and less tank slap than GTA V although you can still get spin out just by hitting sidewalk and obstacle especially on highspeed. offroad is bit “slidey” but somehow only make the car feels tractionless and get understeer. and in all classic 3D GTA you cant control your car when on air. overall the oversteer/understeer physic is so much simple that make driving in highspeed is easy to control even with single brake tap you can eliminate the understeer effect with little oversteer

@Kubboz would Mr.V be partial to an SUV???

@Rk38: Any type of fixture (as long as its possible for the game to cope with it) is permissible as a reward.

@lordvader1: Emissions are indeed something Tommy does not give a shit about (you might consider a catalytic converter for realism, however). The fuel economy will be weighted in, but it will be of very low importance (more of a tie-breaker than a massive decision factor)

@JohnWaldock: An SUV is one of the feasible approaches, yes.

What would you consider the upper end of Mr. Vercetti’s budget? I can build a car to just about any budget, but knowing my customer’s limit helps me refine where I put my points.




and if that disappoints vercetti,
this is where i see myself in few days

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Oh my. This looks like a lot of fun. I want to submit 20 different cars. Arrgh!

@Kubboz Just to confirm, there’s no markup limit or regulation? I’m just confused as to whether you really mean “assume markup of 200% for the purpose of flavour text” or whether you’re joking :wink:

And now, I’m off to get the PS2 out of storage and boot up Vice City. Erin’s bosses want some ‘market research’ to be undertaken…

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Wow, then that’s an awesome prize for the top three! I have another question regarding quality sliders is there any limit to them or are we free to go crazy with them?

@lordvader1
welp that is a nice gtr. do you follow the philosophy “GTR beats anything?”






my 5 luxury seater can beat your gtr @lordvader1

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@Madrias: 225k (with markup) is the soft lower limit. There is not much point in going below that price (though it still be beneficial to a degree - it’s a non-linear relation). 800k is the hardish limit. - Tommy will be opposed to spending that much on a car. (remember it’s one of those challenges where going for the limit won’t really benefit you that much unless you can really make your car exceptional.

@DeusExMackia:I will assume the markup of 200% when comparing prices. It’d make my reviewing easier if you set it at that value.

@Rk38: 0 quality on tyres. Other than that, feel free to deliver the quality product Mr V deserves.

Ah! I see! Ok, that makes sense. So as to ensure a fairer test basically.

Hmmm DSD Concept 12 looks like it found it home

Ah, so you need a car for business, then. Well, Storm Automotive does take custom orders from time to time, and what it sounds like is that you need a car that’s fast, easy to drive, fun to drive, and that catches the eye. No point in driving it if no one looks at it, and that’s a philosophy we both share.

Our base platform is the Storm Guardian, which is a somewhat-large car to start with. Normally, it’s a four door car, but we’ve recognized you prefer to work and drive alone. That’s okay, we’ve left you a seat for a passenger, but we’ve trimmed back to two seats and two doors. The inner set of headlights steers with the car to help illuminate around corners in the dark. Yes, there is a switch to disable this feature if you don’t like it. Also, there’s two stages to the high-beams. The first is the normal ones, like you’d expect in every car. The second stage, however, kicks off more light than a police helicopter’s search beam. This, I feel, a man like you could find useful.

The paint color was chosen by me, and if you don’t like it, I’ll change it for free. I call it “Midnight Murder,” and it’s designed to be a rich, bold dark red. After all, anything with performance looks better in red, but this is dark enough that a lot of cops won’t look at it right away. The rear wing is needed, but I’ll get to that in a bit.

I know, the gas caps are shiny and chrome, and you’d think would make ideal targets for any enemies you might have. I’ve armored them with a half-inch of titanium, much like my own chassis has in critical places. It’ll stop high-powered rifle shots.

On the inside, we took the measurements you sent us and formed the interior around you. You’ll find the steering wheel is just the right size for you, the accelerator’s been made a little extra wide to assist with control at high speed, the sequential shift paddles are built with titanium, and we’ve given you a bit of space behind the seats for the sound system and, well, something of my own design. If you open the cover, you’ll find enough space for two shotguns, a rifle, three different pistols, and an automatic of some form or another. Oh, and a rack for your grenades, should you feel they’re needed.

Around the back, you’ll find that the trunk floor has been reinforced to handle the extra weight of approximately 800 pounds of “luggage” if you need to. The seats are lined with the same materials used in military-issue bullet-proof vests, so if someone starts slinging lead, it’s not getting through here. I couldn’t source some bullet-proof glass, but… I gave you something almost as good.

This is a 7.1 liter, dual-overhead-cam, direct fuel injected V8 engine, throwing down 900 horsepower at 8200 RPM. She redlines at 8800 RPM, and is fitted with bypass valves so that when you feel a need to floor it, it can breathe. Otherwise, it’s set up with dual reverse-flow mufflers to help quiet down all that noise when you need the car to be less easily noticed.

So, I know, you want to know how a big, heavy luxury coupe can perform. Do you like racing? Perhaps Drag Racing?

This luxury land-yacht can do an honest 10-second quarter mile.

Perhaps road racing’s more your thing?


It can handle a winding road at speed. Now, I understand having a need for speed, and I can even respect a bit of street racing, which is why the Guardian has such a powerful engine and driveline package.

As for prestige? Carbon fiber body panels and chassis, large-displacement V8, and we’re only going to make 26 of these cars. Yours, Mr. Vercetti, is number 1. It may not have the most fancy options that other manufacturers will likely throw at you to cover their deficiencies, but it has what counts, and that’s being a comfortable, fast, fun car to drive. That, and we did go out of our way to install a 21 speaker touch-screen-controlled sound system, with 8 kilowatts of subwoofers and amplifiers so that everyone can enjoy your music.

I hope you enjoy the Storm Guardian XLR-8, Mr. Vercetti.

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The 2016 Kramer KR12 AWD is the flagship vehicle of Kramer Automotive. A striking design incorporating scissor doors, all-LED lighting (including laser LED headlights) and active aero ensures unmatched presence, even in the matte black of the example shown here (although many other colors, including custom shades and finishes, are available in case you want them). The body and chassis are made out of reinforced carbon-fiber, allowing it to easily resist severe collisions and sustained heavy weapons fire, while the windows are made out of armored glass for the same reason. In addition, the front luggage compartment doesn’t have a spare tire, but can be used to store weapons and other equipment in case you need to.

As its name implies, the KR12 AWD has an all-wheel drive system; here, it has a 30/70 torque split front-to-rear. Combined with a seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox and electronically controlled differentials, this mechanical configuration guarantees plenty of traction in all conditions. Its pushrod-actuated suspension (incorporating semi-active dampers and sway bars) has been specially calibrated to provide unmatched handling, with minimal body roll, while preserving enough comfort and drivability to provide a modicum of everyday usability.

Speaking of which, a high-quality luxury interior and infotainment suite made with only the finest materials and craftsmanship makes the inside of a KR12 a very nice place to be, even in dense traffic, thereby allowing you (and no more than one passenger) to enjoy your favorite music, TV shows and movies while on the move. 20-inch forged magnesium wheels are wrapped in high-performance sports tires (275mm wide in the front and 305mm wide in the rear), providing plenty of grip and adding to the KR12’s visual aggression, while carbon-ceramic brakes (6-piston calipers and 380mm discs at each corner) will always bring you to a stop from even the highest speeds.

Under the engine cover is an all-alloy, normally aspirated 6.0-liter V-12 producing over 760 bhp and with a 9,200 rpm redline. Dual reverse-flow mufflers with bypass valves keep the engine quiet enough to be street legal most of the time, but aggressively loud when you want it to be - and when it does, it’ll sound like Armageddon on four wheels. You don’t need fancy 98 RON super-unleaded fuel to run it, though - this beast does just fine when fed 95 RON premium unleaded. Reliability is not a concern either - this engine is built to take a lot of punishment, as is the rest of the car.

A lap time of 7:33 around the Green Hell is very quick considering its curb weight of 1767.8 kg. In addition, with a top speed of well over 205 mph, a 0-60 time in 2.8 seconds and 1.34g of lateral acceleration on a 250-meter skidpad ensure you can get to - or away from - any sources of trouble you may encounter, from annoying paparazzi to crazed gang members.

And what do you pay for this ultra-dynamic, highly prestigious, super-luxurious and extra-safe piece of high-end automotive engineering? $331,800 with a 200% markup in place - less than half the maximum limit. Yes, the fuel consumption figure of 14.08 L/100km is quite high (although the large fuel tank, specially reinforced to prevent rupturing after a crash or under sustained fire, negates this somewhat), as are the overall running costs, but then what did you expect from such a highly tuned engine? At least the emissions figure is surprisingly low for a car of this caliber. Still, if you’ve got it, flaunt it. From London to L.A, this beast will draw a crowd… and leave them in your dust. Get your order in now, though - 100 examples will be built annually until 2018, for a total of 300 units in all - and with so much performance, it is expected to sell out its entire production run very quickly.

And finally, in accordance with the new format for posts about entries in this round, here is a montage of images showing the car’s vital statistics, ATT test track lap time, and competitiveness at estimated price without a markup:

Note: This vehicle was created and submitted using the current stable release.

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Wait wat.
checks the screenshots
That, I believe is a typo. 14.08 l/km would be a bit extreme.

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That was a typo (until I edited my previous post for the sake of correctness) - 14.08 L/100 km is the actual fuel consumption figure, not 1,408 L/km. For reference, an Aventador SV gets 16L/100 km, an f12tdf 15.4 L/100 km, and an HSV GTS Gen-F2 15 L/100 km. Could be worse, though… Especially since economy is not much of a concern as you stated earlier.