The Car Shopping Round (Round 64): Tears in Heaven

Good to hear. Good luck with the write up!

I wasnt able to submit my car because I couldnā€™t come up with a name. :frowning:

Part 1 of 3 - The first day

(Decided to release this in 3 parts: the first day, the second day, and the decision. Itā€™s so that I can give you consistent information at a reasonable rate of speed to keep you guys updated. :slight_smile: )

*Date: March 1st, 2016: 11:30 AM: *

First day of dealership-hopping. Oh, what a day Iā€™ll have. My friends had to ferry me around, but itā€™s only a 10 minute ride to the strip of roads with the dealerships. Coming my way were hours upon hours of boring, bland, gray shapes in places with crappy free coffee and unknowing salespeople.  Anyways, I digress, and Iā€™ve got to go make a break for it. Canā€™t wait, right?

12:00 PM: After getting a lift, I went around to decide what dealership to go to. I could have gone to 20+ different dealersā€¦ But specifically, I noticed the Bogliq dealer immediately with their flashy French Blue cars, and decided to approach the dealer.

Upon entrance, I was greeted by a friendly salesman and soon was directed to a new car of theirs, the Ambassador 30X. Sadly, the Ambassador fails to impress much on the styling front. Itā€™s quite boring and it screams ā€œI am a car and nothing more!ā€ everywhere. While itā€™s not ugly, it doesnā€™t mean it looks great either. Anyways, I opened the driverā€™s door. Inside, I was shown an interior full of love and black plastic! While it appeared to be made decently well, itā€™s quite drab and only has 4 seats. The infotainment system is brand-new but still not very sophisticated. Iā€™d still love a more upscale interior, since it feels cheap and, dare I say, a little out of the class. I asked about the specs and was handed a brochure. Oddly enough, the engine was composed by an advanced alloy of aluminum and silicon 3 Liter V6; an odd engine for a car of this price caliber. 200 HP, while pretty weak for a 3 Liter, was still pretty potent for the class. Iā€™ve also heard from a friend who owns one that they get 31 MPG on average daily. Thatā€™s really not too shabby. Even stranger was the RWD platform on which the car was based on; maybe thatā€™s why thereā€™s no 5th seat. I did my research and read that the Bogliq is a very sporty in many car magazines. That said, in IIHS crash tests, I saw that it performed adequately in many tests but not exceptionally; it might hamper my decision to buy it. The Ambassador looks promising, and the price at $23,000 seems decent enough. Iā€™ll go check it out later.

I proceeded to go to the Storm dealership. Iā€™d heard of their Starfire model before, but never have I ever seen one on the road. Walking into the dealership, the main star of the show was a sun-bright yellow Starfire. The color may have given me temporary blindness, but the chrome left a burn on my eyes; thereā€™s just so much of it! Hopefully the interior good redeem the exteriorā€™s garish styling. I opened the door to what I hoped could redeem the exterior. It wasnā€™t. The inside of the Starfire was so bland that it wouldnā€™t be all that misplaced in a something much cheaper, like a Fiesta. The infotainment system appears to come from 2003, and overall was not even close to as comfortable as I wanted it to be. At least it was roomy enough to fit an average sized American. Even though the specs assure that this car is a performance knock-out and that itā€™s one of the fastest cars Iā€™ll see this week, I donā€™t think I can come back to it after that interior. Sorry Storm, but itā€™s not my taste. Next up is the Solo dealership!

2:00 PM: Solo makes the Wolf for the midsize sedan category, and when I walked into the Solo dealership the Wolf was sitting there just waiting for me to drive it. First impressions tell me not to; the styling, while modern, was quite bland. Like the Bogliq, the Wolf utilizes a V6 made of composite alloys but produces 203 HP as opposed to 200 HP. Unlike the Ambassador, though, the Solo redlines at an absolutely drab 5700 RPM. However, this should pay off on-road, with an advertised MPG rating of 35.5 combined MPG; very economical not only for a V6 but also for a car with 200+ HP and AWD. That said, I would think much of the fuel economy savings is thanks to the interior and safety. Like the exterior, the interior is simply bland. 5 seats help to bring balance, but safety features are decent at best. Sure, itā€™s a fairly comfortable interior, but closer inspection revealed slight quality issues not found in the Ambassador. A low price entices me either way, so Iā€™ll revisit Solo later.

Rado for their midsize class offers the O-400, a sedan which should offer some promise. Itā€™s a little expensive, but I donā€™t know how mine will come out. I walked into the dealer and saw the O-400; Iā€™ve seen it before and my thoughts still stand: it may look modern, but itā€™s so oddly simple that itā€™s not a looker. Sporting one of the first ā€œnormalā€ engines of the day, a 2-liter inline-4, the Rado appears to be a pretty standard run-of-the-mill sedan. The interior is quite good; Iā€™m tempted to say itā€™s nicer than most of the other cars Iā€™ve seen today and performance doesnā€™t appear to take a hit either. 0-60 is dealt with in a very decent 7.1 seconds and fuel economy is an extremely impressive 36 MPG combined. I really like this car so far, and I congratulate Rado for making such a well-rounded car. Sure, itā€™s not the cheapest thing on earth, but it doesnā€™t stretch the budget that much. If I can get around the styling, this could possibly be my number 1 choice. Iā€™ll return the Rado for sure.

Well, itā€™s already 3 PM. While Iā€™d love to go try some other cars out, Iā€™ll call it a day to determine which ones I like most. Stay tuned!

Ah, I guess I burned out the interior after making all those tiny little shoeboxes on a hair-strand budget. Not surprising.

Reviews coming out in three parts??? Okā€¦ But remember this is supposed to be a quick turnover contest and youā€™re meant to be moving onto the next stage within 24 hours of the original deadline, so donā€™t hold up too long!

Part 2 of 3 - The second day

(part 3 coming out later today)

*Date: March 2nd, 2016: 11:30 AM: *

Are you ready to go on a journey? Iā€™m not. Letā€™s go out on another day of venturing into the wilderness.

The Erin dealership was first for today. The car they had to offer was the Berlose, a car that appeared sophisticated yet stylish. And better yet, it also appeared to be cheaper than all the other cars. The car itself, while not exactly bland, isnā€™t exactly desperately pretty. I see a trend in this classā€¦ Cars may be interesting, but it doesnā€™t at all mean theyā€™re pretty. Regardless, the Berlose looks decent enough for me to retain interest. A look at the interior gets my hopes up and then smashes them with a hammer. Iā€™ve heard all about the Berloseā€™s IIHS top safety pick+ award which really got me excited; I love myself a fun, safe car. And then I realize how Erin managed to cram all of their features into the car for such a cheap price; the infotainment system is straight out of a 3rd-world country car. Most of the cars Iā€™ve seen had a full navigation and touch screen system. The Berlose has a radio and thatā€™s about all. Thoroughly disappointed, my expression visibly droops. Maybe the performance could redeem the lack of infotainment, right? Of course it could! 0-60 in 6.4 seconds is great! 23 MPG, however, isā€¦ Letā€™s leave it at terrible. Sadly, poor fuel economy and a lack of a decent infotainment system boot the highly capable Erin off the list.

Ah, look what weā€™ve got here: First Order Automotive. Sounds oddly conspicuous, doesnā€™t it? Well, I will say that like something else, the car misses the shot. Tiny tires up front and bigger ones at the rear confuse me especially for a FWD car of this price caliber. A lack of traction and stability control turns me off; 22 MPG make me turn away. A 2.5L turbocharged I4 seems promising until you see the fact that it produces not only less power than common N/A 2.4 4-cylinders, but also a 4500 RPM redline. Oh, and it weighs 3700 pounds. Sorry, not going to take up this one.

Now we move onto Revera. Entering the dealer was quite an experience; it must be one of the nicest dealers for companies of this type. Enormously famous for their gorgeous cars, the FS 250e is no exception. With sporty and sophisticated lines and great use of grilles and lights, the FS 250 looks stunning. It even looks dare I say Porsche-like. The interior was similar for better or for worse. Although the infotainment wasnā€™t as nice as Iā€™d like it, the Revera looks great inside and out nonetheless. Sadly, I am concerned about weight; sure, the Revera may be AWD and have a very nice inline-6, but there was never a time where a car that weighs 3956 pounds was light. With a claimed 0-60 of 6.4 seconds, Iā€™m afraid gas mileage suffers. I very much like the FS 250, though, so I will definitely check it out again.

Oh my lord. The Chinese have begun to build cars for America. Naturally, I am attracted to see what theyā€™ve built for us; Volvo seems to be doing jolly well so I canā€™t wait to see what this new company Teshu has to show. The Teshu MXJ-266 certainly shows the part of ā€œChinese carā€ with symbols and number that I donā€™t know and donā€™t care to know. The car looks classy, but in a 2004 VW Passat sort of way. At least itā€™s not a carbon copy of anything. A semi-trailing arm rear suspension adorns the MXJ, which leads me to believe that Teshu hopefully managed to iron out oversteer, as that is a very large concern with these cars. In classic Chinese style, the interior is quite nice, but like many of the cars the infotainment is lacking something. Strangely, the Teshu also has launch control for the smooth 6-speed automatic; odd. 30 MPG is achieved by this car. This car is a Chinese car youā€™d actually want to buy; better keep my eye out.

The next dealer Iā€™ll be visiting is Transport. While a very stoic name, their F-Line is a very stylish car in my opinion, but Iā€™ve yet to try one out. I enter the dealer and am lead to an F-Line, the 20F to be specific. Appearance-wise, it looks like the Revera in a suit; constrained yet sophisticated. The interior is very similar to the Revera. Hell, the two cars both have 6 cylinders and AWD with similar interiors and styling. There are multiple differences, however. First off, the 20F has no ESP, something almost mandatory on all cars. Scary. Secondly, 0-60 is a poultry 9.3 seconds, which, letā€™s face it, is probably too slow for many roads in America. Third, when I asked to look at a baseline model, the salesman simply had a blank stare on his face. The car looks great and is very similar to another beautiful car. But Iā€™m not stretching my budget by $2,000 for a car thatā€™s slower than many of the cars on the road.

Iā€™m feeling smooooooth today. This is totally and obviously not a pun about going to the Smooth dealership. Anyways, the car that Smooth presents to me is the Conti, in V6 trim. Withā€¦ letā€™s leave it at interesting styling, the Conti shows a lot of promise when it comes down to performance in everyday conditions. One of the few cars here with an advanced safety system, the Conti is really quite safe. Packing an all-cast engine seems like a cost-cutting move, and the engine itself only produces 163 HP from its 2.3 Liter Naturally Aspirated V6. However, some redemption is shown with the addition of a 6-speed dual-clutch transmission routing power to the front wheels. 0-60 is done in 8.8 seconds, which by no means is fast, but itā€™s decent enough. What I find most intriguing is the fuel economy; with nearly 38 MPG, the Conti is one of the most if not the most economical car here. It may even be one of the most economical non-hybrids of the class. Smooth is definitely going to get another look, and the fact that itā€™s cheaper than all of the cars here is going to stick.

Alright, easy part done. Next, Iā€™ve got to choose a carā€¦ Lord help us.

waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait

whereā€™s MY car?

this guy

in fact, there seems to be a couple of other cars not in the review???

I forgot to mention this, sorry.

People who didnā€™t make this cut (in which there are few)

If you donā€™t know, that sign means greater than or equal to.

[quote=ā€œtitleguy1ā€]I forgot to mention this, sorry.

People who didnā€™t make this cut (in which there are few)

If you donā€™t know, that sign means greater than or equal to.[/quote]

So iā€™m guessing that my car is less lan 105inches, I thought it meant less than or equal :laughing: shows why I failed maths

I was sure my car met the wheelbase rquirements.

Are you sure? If it did I probably never got a car.

Yeah i forgot to actually send it, my bad

I go out to test drive all the cars I liked. And here are some quick impressionsā€¦

BOGLIQ AMBASSADOR: The Ambassador is seriously fun to drive. The handling is borderline scary in the best way possible, with the tail getting loose every once in a while. On normal driving conditions, though, the handling becomes very twitchy. The fun and frisky oversteering capabilities suddenly overpower the car and make the car feel slippery all the time. If I were tracking this car, itā€™d be great. As a daily driver, it sadly doesnā€™t make the cut.
SOLO WOLF: Unsurprisingly, AWD makes the Wolf an extremely capable machine. Sure, itā€™s nowhere near as exciting as the Bogliq, but itā€™s much easier to drive on a daily basis. With even more MPG than the Ambassador, this car should be on the top of my list. But thereā€™s something about the Wolf that makes it feel cold. Itā€™s not giving me any response through the wheel; it feels numb. And uncomfortably numb at that; I swear the damping is much to firm on this car. Is it capable? Yes. Will I buy it? Sadly, I wonā€™t.

RADO O-400: The Rado is pretty fun to drive, comparable to a Honda Accord. Itā€™s not as exciting as the Bogliq or as precise as the Solo, but it gets the job done. Thereā€™s something that completely kills the fun though. And itā€™s the engine. Itā€™s a 2 liter turbo with 225 HP which should make it very fun. Itā€™s not. The engine makes absolutely no power under 3000 RPM and then BAM! all of it hits you with a million pounds of force. You either drive at very low RPMā€™s and get nowhere or at very high RPMā€™s and kill your fuel economy. This simply makes the car completely undrivable. Sadly, itā€™s not your time, Rado.

REVERA FS-250: I have a friend in Brazil who recently had to buy a car. He looked at a different Revera, the EC 180, and fell in love. Sadly, he didnā€™t have the funds to pay for it. This is my second time seeing it and I feel exactly the same; the only difference is that itā€™s in my price range and I get to drive it. Oh boy, did I drive it. Nearly as fun as the Bogliq without all the near-death experiences, the FS-250 really pulls on my heart strings. Somehow, Revera has managed to iron out many of the shortcomings of semi-trailing arm suspension. The Inline-6 is simply a peach, too. This is definitely going to be a big consideration.

TESHU MXJ-666: I found a Camry! Oh, wait, the Chinese are great at copying cars. While the Teshu is very easy to drive and mildly interesting, the driving experience is very bland and quite vanilla. It may be easier to drive than a food processer, but itā€™s about as fun as one too. No thanks.

SMOOTH CONTI V6: Itā€™s a decently fun car, the Conti. It drives well and doesnā€™t scare me. Handling is neutral, but I do wish I sat lower down in the car; it feels a bit truck-like. Asking 165 HP to power 3500+ pounds isnā€™t always going to end well; I constantly saw myself shifting into lower gears to compensate for the low power. Because of this, fuel economy ratings dropped quite a bit from the advertised 38 MPG. While itā€™s a good car, the Conti simply isnā€™t for me.

Well, conclusion time. Weā€™ve seen me drive many cars, but only one can win. Fast cars, fun cars, economical cars, weā€™ve got everything. However, one of these cars balances out all of the attributes of the rest; the Revera. It might be a little pricey, but I think itā€™s worth the extra cash. The FS 250 wins, but if youā€™re in the market for a midsize, go look at other options. You might find something you like. The Revera was fun, easy to drive, economical, and decently fast. And it looks gorgeous while doing so.

well bummerā€¦ I thought I had it this time. On to the next oneā€¦

4th. Not bad, considering the rest of challenges in the topic Iā€™ve been stone dead last.

Well Iā€™ll give the Passat comparison for the MXJ a pass because the MXJ originally started life as a Phaeton clone. So there is a bit more than passing resemblance, but since you kept a Passat for 17 years Iā€™d figure youā€™d not mind the resemblance too much :slight_smile: . I did change it up slightly, stripped some things out to fit in the price range and I was very satisfied with what resulted. There are worse things to be compared to than a Camry too. I, also, thought I had this one. Needs a sport version I guess.

Iā€™ve already revamped the look since its entry here and inclusion over at the Geneva thread. Looks like Iā€™ll need to revisit the internals to make it less a food processor and more aā€¦blender? Lol.

Congrats Asdren.

Thank you. I am very glad you liked and chose the Revera :slight_smile:

Now, lets continue to the next Round:

[size=150]New Home, new Car[/size]

After i found a new job in Germany, i sold my old Seat Ibiza 1.9tdi and i am mainly using public transportation as way of travel, but the time has come to get myself a new car because i travel lately more outside the city and secondly i just love cars. I never owned a petrol car, mainly because diesel cars were much cheaper to maintain where i used to live, so i am really am looking forward this time for something that does not sound like a tractor :slight_smile:. Though there were some points I loved about my Ibiza: It was nimble and light, 1100kg to be exact, and pretty quick thanks to 350NM and 150hp, but there were a lot of things that annoyed me a lot: It was noisy, the suspension was hard, understeered heavily under throttle, and it had traction issues. I also did not not like the plastic interior at all. So i hope i wont get those issues in my new car.

[size=150]Rules and suggestions[/size]
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] I am looking for a daily driver, something that is fast and fun to drive but can also be comfortable and wonā€™t eat my wallet. /:m]
] Trim Year should be 2014 or 2015. Model and Engine can be older, but be reasonable. /:m]
] My maximum Budget is $26500 and that should include at least a 5% profit for the company. That does not mean i wonā€™t buy it if the car costs $26700, but it will make the decision more difficult for that car. /:m]
] My brain prefers a 4/5 door, but my heart wants a 2 door coupe. It needs to have at least 4 seats. /:m]
] Hatchbacks are fine, but i donā€™t like a wagon./:m]
] I plan to own the new car for some longer period of time, therefore i hate rust. Environmental resistance should be preferably over 75. /:m]
] Insurance and emissions are expensive. The car should not exceed 300 HP and 80 emission. /:m]
] I will mainly use the car in the city but once a month i travel a 600 km route, so the car needs to be also economical. I would prefer an average consumption of around 8L/100 km./:m]
] I had a manual, now i would prefer a DCT mostly because of comfort reasons, but it needs to have flappy paddels. I still could do with a manual if it fits the personality of the car. /:m]
] The engine should have a reliability of at least 71.0/:m]
] The maximum RON should be 95, since i donā€™t like paying and additional 20 cents per liter for 98. /:m]
] Engine noise is also something that i value. It shouldnā€™t be too loud max 45, but i want to hear some music from the engine. /:m]
] The car should be also decently safe. /:m]
] The car must be fun to drive, but i donā€™t want to crash into the next tree. I will not look at the drivabilty stat alone, but i will examine the complete suspension and drivetrain setup.
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:m]
] Looks are VERY important to me, outside and inside. My girlfriend will most definitely have also some influence here, and she does not like hatchbacks :smiley: Therefore, Prestige is also going to be valued here.
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:m]
] I would love some technical gadgetry in my car./:m][/ul]

Donā€™t forget to post at least one picture of your car - again looks and presentation are important. Mods are accepted, if you could the stick to the Quality Essentials that would be cool, otherwise you might need to help me if it does not work.

I am not the most outspoken person - especially in English - but i will try my best. The winner will also get a sweet photoshop of his car.

Deadline is the 13th of March.

Breaking into the German car market with an American company isnā€™t easy. Storm Automotive presents the Storm Prince, our oldest running nameplate, known for performance and comfort at a reasonable price. We feel that it has everything you have asked for, with a few very small compromises.

Suspension and driveline is somewhat our standard. Independant suspension gives you smooth handling, while all wheel drive gives you responsive acceleration, and viscous differentials keep you from burning your tires away.



Outside the car, weā€™ve installed maintenance-free LED lights, our LED-array headlights, turn signals in the mirrors, and kept chrome trim to a minimum for a clean look.

Inside the car, we decided four seats was an acceptable compromise to give better quality on the interior. As for gadgets, we havenā€™t quite gone all out, but we installed a 14" touchscreen that controls the radio, climate systems, and GPS navigation. If youā€™re ever bored, give a game of ā€œspot the speakersā€ a try. Weā€™ve hidden 10 of them in your car. Thereā€™s a CD player (technically, itā€™s a DVD player, but you canā€™t access DVD mode with the car in motion), AM/FM/Satellite radio, MP3 compatibility with a 64GB solid state drive in the dash, and Bluetooth Connectivity for compatibility with any mobile phone. The rear seats have separate DVD players and screens, as well as their own center console with two cup holders, storage compartment, USB power jacks, as well as 12 volt car power ports. The front center console has two cupholders, a large storage compartment, USB power jacks, a sunglasses compartment, and a 12 volt power port.



Mileage matters. We engineered the 2.8 liter V6 for maximum efficiency without costing an arm and a leg for fuel. With 200 horsepower, it should be inexpensive to insure, yet plenty powerful to provide a great driving experience. The V6 was chosen because of its engine note - inline four engines sound like eco cars farting loudly when pushed too hard, and V8 engines sound too bold and brash, like some snarling caged beast trying to tear its way out of the engine compartment. The inline 6 was considered briefly, but we kept the V6 due to the better weight balance. V12 was never considered for a sporty, yet practical sedan.


All things considered, we believe the Storm Prince is a four-door sedan with the soul of a sporty coupe. It can be yours for $25935.

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[size=150]I Present the 2015 SpearMan Ravine Touring.[/size]

The SpearMan Ravine is usually meant to be a normal mid-sized sedan, but if you buy the touring model, you get a whole new experience.
The Touringā€™s heart is a 2.5 V6, which churns out 150 HP and 206 NM of torque. This propels the car from 0-100 in under 7.4 seconds. The carā€™s
top speed is 207 KPH (128 MPH) which is a decent speed but wonā€™t be neck snapping or anything. The car may remind you of a Fiat X-19; you can
sometimes floor the car without breaking the speed limit!

The car handles well with a sporty suspension, but when you hit a bump the nice, soft, and comfortable seats will keep you relaxed. It also
has a viscous LSD which is cheaper to fix than any other LSD so if you crash, or break down which the car is very unlikley to do with high
reliability ratings, you can fix it at a low price. The car can
also catch an eye with the little spoiler in the back. But your friends wonā€™t just like it because of that little feature. The control system is
packed with features. You can control everything on the car with a touchscreen on the dashboard. From there you can control bluetooth,
GPS, speakers, heating and cooling, AWD controls, different drive modes (Comfort, Normal, Sport, Sport+), seat position, windows, and you can also
create different routes using the GPS System so you wonā€™t get lost on long trips! You can even control how hard the AWD system is pushing so
you can control how fast you are going.

You might be thinking about how amazing this car is, but how much does it cost? It will set you back about $26 700, and $1500 more if you get
the Winter+ package which has better floor mats, heated seats, all-season tires, and an advanced heating system which uses less power, but heats
your car up better than the standard heating system. So it does seem that the Ravine Touring is one of the best, affordable sport sedans on the
market!