The Car Shopping Round (Round 64): Tears in Heaven

I hoped the mileage and acceleration would get more appreciation before getting scrapped, didn’t go with 3 box because it cut practicality and utility by half.

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seems i misread back theb, well then time to head to “i cant read” corner

Yay! My little French ship is magic! Way to go, C-Deuxiéme :laughing:

Good thing I tried focusing on efficiency, and gave a bit to comfort while not inflating costs and running costs too much. Standard safety and a simple radio would’ve been sufficient and much cheaper, in hindsight. But didn’t want to skimp on that. Performance was way down on my priority, to the point that it is only a side effect. Forged pistons to give me some more octane headroom to use on efficiency, forged crankshaft for better smoothness, I-beam steel to use the additional RPM headroom provided by the pistons. Basically, Forged for comfort! 62 hp is more than enough for a 70’s family Frenchie :wink:

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Well, I can read, but the thing I surely can’t do is making sensible semi-bugdet cars :smile: And I knew that this car isn’t very reasonable, but I just wanted to see what would happen with such advanced engine design (and I was a bit misled when you wrote that turbo isn’t prohibited) - the only thing I didn’t expect was the use of the scrapyard.

Anyway, very interesting round :slight_smile:

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I’m sorry, but the Museum was already full.

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If the Museum is already crammed, what will happen with the final cars that don’t get approved? Will they be on display in some SACAM dealerships or shipped to Africa? :stuck_out_tongue:

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Well. Perfect example of a completely subjective round…min-maxing is actually bad huh

Going lore seems more sensible here.

On another note i’m actually somewhat glad our car was broken by the game :stuck_out_tongue:

Also @denta sorry to break it to you. Datsun Go is actually one of those examples of understating the power.

It’s the only LCGC with a DOHC 4 valve and not 4 valve SOHC. It’s marketed to have 62hp. But real life dyno said 88PS, roughly a bit less than 90hp, when run on 92 octane

Why would they do that? “Look people, our very poor, very cheap, very crap car is even crappier than it actually is, go buy”. What is more plausible is that, knowing how 3rd world countries work, the dyno in question wasn’t properly tuned and gave out optimistic numbers.

Wait what? I just said that it’s actually better than advertised…

Also people don’t even dyno their stuff here. So the few dyno shops that exists are actually usually properly tuned. Most of them imported the dyno rig and actually hired an engineer/mechanic to tune it.

Also correction it wasn:t 88 with 92 octane. It was 82hp with 90 octane. Still 20 more than the advertised 62

He’s questioning the logic in advertising the car having less power than it really does, seeing as it’s crap already.

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Oh damn, I just realised the Maesima NV-975 would have been a far better contender. At least looks wise as I’m pretty sure the engine and fuel consumption wasn’t very good.

Anyway here are my CSR30 designs.

##S.A.C.A.M. Production Evaluation Committee

This are the five prototype chosen by the deisgners.




We open up all the cars and evaluate all the problematic concerning the mass production of those cars as the Salgàr and the modification that must be applied to them in order to minimize the tooling costs and re-use parts from the S.A.C.A.M pool.

The BAM Bavaria (@Der_Bayer) was an intresting car, the layout was ideal, but it was too expensive to built. We have to redesign the interiors, the gearbox and the chassis, along with the production system, need some adjustments to allow us to galvanize the monocoque. It is an extensive work, and we are too short of time. 27/48 points

The @DracoAutomations layout was less ideal with the rear wheel drive and lack of galvanization. The engine need some adjustments in order to archieve a better fuel economy, also the suspension setup that need to be tweaked a bit along with new even size tyres and new brakes (we can’t use vented disks). It takes time to do all this. Plus, we have also to add a new gearbox with overdrive gear. 25/48 points

The RAM1600 (@pyrlix) had chassis similar to the BAM Bavaria (front transverse with no galvanizazion) but with a complicated double wishbone suspension on the rear. We are not used to build car with this; yes, the handling is truly excellent, but it will not repay enough the effort to adjust the production line. The engine need a redesigned header in order to fit different carubrators and we have to adjust the car handling after new even-size-tyres were fitted on it. Also, we have to scrap that slushbox in order to put a manual five plus overdrive. 27/48 points

The Omelette du Frogmage (@Leonardo9613) had similar problem in common with the DracoAutomation chassis, but this one is designed to be galvanized. We have rear double wishbone suspension, but at least we have a suspension and tyre setup that do not need to be touched. Only the front brakes need to be replaced with some solid disks.
The engine is good, but we have to adjust the AFR or the carburators: A bit of work. Probably the biggest redesign work it will be the cable work for allow the radio to be installed into the front console. It will probably need some cosmetic restyle soon. About the a new name, it woulnd’t be a problem. 30/48 points

The VC2 (@4LGE) is the most ready to production chassis we have. Ready to be galvanized, transverse mounted engine with 5 speed manual gearbox with overdrive.
It didn’t had rear torsion bar, but the semi trailing arms are okay. We have to twitch a bit the car behaviour, mount bigger drum on the rear and tweak the brake pressure, but the engine is almost production ready, with an excellent mileage. We have to get rid of that semi clad undertray and replace the 8 track with a regular radio. Nothing very complicated. 35/48 points.

Here is the
##New S.A.C.A.M Salgàr

Norman Vauxhall - CSR30 - 4LGE.zip (33.4 KB)

In the attachment the production version of the car and the original prototype sent by @4LGE.
To you the next round!

EDIT
Here all the cars for this round.
CSR30.zip (652.5 KB)

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Merci, @NormanVauxhall ! That was quite the entertaining read! And… wow, I actually won. That I ever get that honor in the CSR.

Also Congrats to @Der_Bayer, @DracoAutomations, @pyrlix and @Leonardo9613 for avoiding the scrapyard and dodging a premature trip to the Museum!

Time to get a brief together! Now, two things I’m asking:
Shall we stay in Europe?
Shall we stay in even older decades?
Because I had something in that direction in mind, but could come up with major variations.

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more old cars… hmmm interesting…

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This was one round where it was actually better to let the bean counters overrule the engineers for once. At least my car went to the company museum (where a sports coupe could be build on its platform) instead of the scrapyard!

@4LGE deserved to win this round - and not a moment too soon. Congratulations on your first round win!

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Yes! Yes to both!

Yes, and yes.

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Don’t be afraid: It doesn’t have to be Euro-style cars, but the idea is: a travelling car expo! Ship your cars in from anywhere!

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I’M NOT SALTY THAT I PUT 4 SEATS IN BY ACCIDENT. NOPE. :sob:

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5 or 6 seats rule is nonsense
4 or 5 would have made more sense