The List.....The fastest Hot hatch of 2017 open to all drive types

[strop]

nah relax, I’m not going to submit a stripped down rat racer track weapon. That’s contrary to the spirit of the brief.

But I can confirm if you don’t mind dying if you so much as graze a barrier, and can endure conditions worse than the inside of a Group C racer driving through Arizona in July, then you can totally pick up a super nuclear grade 800bhp AWD track weapon that can keep up with the hypercars for under 40k.

Yes, @koolkei that means sub 7 minute sub 40k hot hatch. In fact right now without markup it’s 28k. Oh, and I’m using 95RON, I’d have more room to play with if I used 98… fuel economy isn’t the best tho LOL

[koolkei]

if i went out like that. yes, sure i too can do it. but i just made a ‘race ready’ version of an existing car, and still has more than enough safety stuff than neccessary, so it’s still lore friendly-ish. and the economy is not worse than a 60s muscle gas guzzlers.

[Hshan]

Nah, I wasn’t even going to compete here with Luna, it had to fit into planned company lineup, image etc. And it was rather aimed at upcoming Saminda - to be probably a bit faster than it So I didn’t put a V8 or AWD there and didn’t strip it down (only slightly), but rather not very extreme V6 and RWD.

But I still have Hypera…

[strop]

isn’t that like 22+L/100km? That’s the kind of figures I was getting anyway!

But yeah no I’m not submitting this… thing. I already know what I could do, but what I’d rather do is revive the Armada car, because they would totally look at the headlines and go “so people think 310bhp to the front wheels is the new frontier of crazy huh? HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS.”

So this is more along the lines of what I’d plan to put up:

Notes: the Armada Fore has segregated progressively throughout its history. Throughout the 80s, Gen I was a single trim, followed by a GTi variant. Then Gen II came out in 1991, with the Birdie (base eco-box) and the Eagle (the GTi line which was much sportier and a bit more ‘average’ in quality that crap. This was where Armada made the jump to EFI as well as VVL, a move that rendered their crap ecobox almost unaffordable and put a big hole in their budget as they insisted on using the same block for the entire lineup. The Birdie therefore started sporty variants, and had a turbo whacked onto it so that there was also a Birdie GTi version, for those who wanted something fast but didn’t mind sitting in a shitbox, and was still appreciably cheaper than an Eagle GTi. Gen III came out in the early noughties. I’ve not given much thought to what happened in this generation, beyond finding a sweet spot in engineering while beta testing that allowed Armada to make ridiculous amounts of money, which was great and would explain why Gen IV, which came out in 2012, featured a bunch of new tech, including e-diffs and active aero, which was mainly intended for use in Armada’s renewed assault on the serious performance market (hopefully better fated than their tilt at Muscle and before that, GT). Nonetheless thanks to trickle down, the Fore engineers couldn’t help but start appropriating the tech in higher end variants and sports oriented trims, and during this time the lineup extended to include a Condor level trim, for the most sporty cars with all the bells and whistles. The trim with actually decent interior and safety and geared for the well-heeled sensible buyer, for the first time, was designated Albatross (see what I’m doing here?). Otherwise every other trim was mostly -3 interior -2 safety (an improvement from the -3 interior -8 safety they used to use).

So the stats above are for the Condor trim. 500bhp to the front tyres was deemed ‘enough’. But also fuel economy of 9.2L/100km, using sports +7 tyes.

[koolkei]

[Deskyx]

This is why you never challenge an Automation forum to see who can go the fastest.

What I had in mind for the entries here:

What everyone pretty much entered:

[Hshan]

Well, that could be expected with so few rules

@koolkei Oh well… No, I’m not posting anything here, probably. Not even Hypera would go that far in a production hatchback

[Deskyx]

I officially quit. Rift platform is too small to fit a larger engine and I’m not making another car just to fight it.

I could crane in even the Super GT motor which makes 300 hp/L take off all the restrictors and I’ll still be outgunned. No replacement for displacement.

[strop]

Lol I wish we could recreate Tajima’s Escudo with these rules. But we can’t put two engines in one car

Also gj @koolkei you broke the will of the competition because I had nothing to do with it at all, no, 500bhp is perfectly reasonable in a FWD Hatch

[Darkshine5]

Ok so some minor rule adjustments. Drivability 20+, Comfort 30+, overall reliability 70+, 4 seats or more and safety 40+ and a 20% markup and an economy of 9L/100Km or less

[strop]

Very good, can do.

But could we please make the safety requirement a number (40) and not a type? That’s still subject to a lot of variation and crash testing doesn’t work like that.

[koolkei]

well @strop… you made me feel compelled to…
that’s right. i’m blaming you

and it still lore friendly-ish. it’s a built by order trim. a race-ready trim.

[abg7]

I approve of the rule changes, since it makes the contest more realistic.

[Starfish94]

#Saminda will build a faster C2000R if our Automation or Nurburgring lap times have been beaten by any 4 cylinder RWD Hot Hatch.

The chief engineer of the C2000R , Dave Kamper - stated in an interview that if the RWD Hot Hatch lap-time record set by the C2000R is beaten, the Japanese car manufacturer will build a faster version of the hot-hatch.

[strop]

Okay, let’s kick things off with a reiteration. Be warned I’m using a somewhat OP entry compared to real world, but please don’t let that put you off submitting

Bear with me on this, I’m thinking this up on the fly, based on a lineup of cars I’ve started building but never completed. I’ll get a company page eventually, then I’ll put my blatherings on there instead of here and everywhere.

As I’ve mentioned many a time, Armada is a UK based sports car company whose philosophy centers around “go faster than everybody else for the same price”. Of course, this obviously comes at the cost of safety, reliability and build quality. Since the 50s, Armada has had an on-again-off-again relationship with motorsports and flirted with many markets, attempting to break into the compact sports car, grand touring, muscle, hot hatch, performance sedan and, at one point, a budget supercar segment. Some of these yielded more success than others, but they finally struck gold with the hot hatch segment, which became the backbone of their cash flow. With this, they were able to fast track their powerplant and drivetrain R&D, which they shoved into their models as fast as they could (again, at the expense of quality).

Armada’s tech pool focuses mainly on any part directly related to driving the car. The rest of it can go to hell, and, until the early 2010s, that’s how they rolled. However, the hot hatch market in particular was becoming so competitive that it was simply not possible to compete with a flawed car. They had to get their build quality up to scratch, or go under. They were also struggling with the decision to scrap their steel works in favour of maintaining their aluminium tooling, which meant producing the entire range of their cars in aluminium.

Therefore the Fore Gen IV was a real shakeup for the company. It was under a lot of pressure to deliver unprecedented performance for value while being all the things Armada used not to be: reliable, comfortable, safe. We wouldn’t ever say that they were as safe or comfortable as the competition, but at least the build quality is now up to scratch.

The Fore Gen IV lineup, while remaining staunchly FF hatch, has exploded into multiple variants per trim level. In a nutshell, they are:

• Birdie: the ecobox. NA 1.6L i4, ~150bhp, comes in manual, auto, seats 4. 15-19k. It’s a decent mid-level compact hatch, but I’m not sure why you’d bother with this.
• Eagle: the sports box. turbo 1.8L i4, up to 308bhp, 6-spd man or SCT w/ torsen diff, seats 4. 18-25k. Advanced aero and E-diff upgrade optional.
• Albatross: like cramming an M5 into a hot hatch. turbo 3L v6. ~500bhp, 6 spd SCT, seats 4. 28-39k. Advanced aero and E-diff standard.
• Condor: going Trophy RS on this shit. turbo 3L v6. >550bhp, 6 spd SCT, seats 2, stripped out, roll cage, etc. Enquire with your dealer for availabilities and custom options.

Think the power figures for everything but the Birdie is a bit much? That’s Armada for you! We put the R in your GTi and the TRACK DAY BRO in your R.

The following figures are for the Albatross trim, in standard. That is to say, without the optional extras of sports interior and wheel (or premium interior, if you really must), sports dials, carbon parts, tuner trick exhaust, and tricky active dampers and sway bars. It’s running P-Zero 305s. You could get yourself a set of Trofeo Rs, for a real go, but as it is…

ATT:

Airfield:

Green Hell:

Sorry, no pics of car yet because I haven’t designed it! I just whacked the lips, wings and a grille on. And if you want to know what a 39k “Albatross Trophy” is like, just think no radio and 2.5% faster all around with a lot of bells and whistles and more aggressive aero.