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CSR68 - a Growing Family in a Growing Nation


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CSR68 - a Growing Family in a Growing Nation


back in 2013. they bought their first Family car. an LCGC car. they rose in life quickly, moving in to better, bigger house, getting better furniture. their business is booming and so they are also rising in their economy class. and their oldest child was just a teenager 5 years ago, but now he needs his own transportation to go to and back from college. although the car will still be shared, they mean for their current car to be the primary means of transport for their son for college. and that means they’ll be getting another car just for family use. preferably something that’s more encompassing and capable, and more comfortable. because why not? they can afford it now

We Indonesians have a very socialized culture. we’re close with the extended family. we hang out a lot with friends. and we go travel en masse. we ‘hitch’ rides all the time. and you don’t ‘hitch rides’ alone. it’s usually with a lot of friends, and you end up traveling to a mall or something together.

we’re not concerned with power. with big cities in Indonesia having one of the worst traffic jam in the world. nobody really cares about going fast we care more about the economy of the car. but at the same time.

Indonesia also have A LOT of mountains, and we LOVE going for a holiday to the cool places up on the mountains or hills. so make sure you have enough power to ‘move’ the weight of your car + 600kg (7 people + luggage for a week) going up 10-15 degrees incline, and with the same weight, keep at least going 80km/h steady on the intercity highway on average.
(yeah our average highway speed is rather low too. but it’s only limited by the average capabilities of the cars on it. not the speed limit)


  • model year 2018

  • no size limit. but any wheelbase longer than 2.6m, and you better make it REALLY worth it.

  • minimal 5 seats. 7 seats is preferable. 8 only when you can make it not too compromised.

  • luggage space is a big selling point, although not critical

  • Minimum of 12km/l. but higher is better of course. (33.9 UK MPG/ 28.2 US MPG/ 8.33L/100KM)

  • although this is mostly a city car. do mind the gearing, because we need them short 1st gears for going up hills

  • Regular Fuel (91RON/87AKI)

  • Catalytic converters pls. i know we’re in the 3rd world. but we’re not THAT behind

  • Target price $19000 @ 0%

  • minimum 50 Safety

  • minimum 25 comfort

  • make the service costs as low as you can. it’ll be a bonus if it’s low enough.

  • think simple, but modern and capable.
    power isn’t a concern as long as it’s enough to pull the weight of the car fully loaded (power to weight >0.05)

  • Following Indonesia’s capacity based Tax the limits are <1.5L , <2.5L, <3.5L, >3.5L
    (because i’m ranting again and i wanna make everyone as blue balled as we are)
    the bigger capacity classes are taxed quite a bit more, it’s not really economically practical to use bigger engine to make up for the lack of power while maintaining efficiency.

so you have mostly 3 choices with the engine…

  • turbos, which makes the engine complex, and will have it’s own consequences

  • big engines, which will be more taxing on the yearly tax. :wink:

  • small engine Measly power. which probably make you need to make your car lighter, which compromises on OTHER things

no best solutions here :stuck_out_tongue:

  • nothing is a hard limit. but basically if you go over the limit. you better make it worth it

also make other SENSIBLE decisions that would fit nicely with what we need and want

what will be judged?
just like you would see a car irl. everything. when something is really amiss that’s really putting you off even though it’s not too relevant/not your main criteria. you walk away.

but the main parts are :

  • drivability
  • comfort
  • fuel economy
  • space. in general
  • styling

to make it easier IRL car Examples that i was thinking of for you to google up

Toyota Innova


Toyota Voxy


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Honda CR-V


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Nissan Serena

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naming conventions as usual. but for the newcomers:

Car model : CSR68-nickname
Car trim : whatever

Engine family : CSR68 - nickname
Engine variant : whatever

Deadline 6th April


[CSR69]: A sports car for a French guy
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2.6m of wheelbase, or total car size?


#3

you’re quoting the wrong thing there. and that have been rectified as you were typing it :stuck_out_tongue:

update: you guys fine with having me 1 day to fine tune the rules as issues arise?


#4

Hahah. I was scared about putting 7 people+luggage on 2.6 m of car lenght


#5

Are there any upper limits on emissions, loudness, production units and engineering time?

Edit: there aren’t any. Best to be sensible though. And thanks for reminding me that a catalytic converter is mandatory.


#6

nope. no hard limits. but will be considered within the ‘sensibilities’ part of the rule. do you REALLY wanna make all 7 people in the car go deaf? :stuck_out_tongue:

except for cats. i’ll add that in


#7

This is the most Indonesian round I have ever seen. I’m in!


#8

So im guessing looks is a big thing and no advertisements are needed?


#9

It’s a car shopping round, of course it’s going to need advertisements. Otherwise the car won’t sell regardless of how good it is.


#10

SHHHHH!!! Stop helping the competitors… :rofl:


#11

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#12

It seems hard trying to reach 50 safety (I might be using a different body)

Is the 50 safety a hard limit that i shouldn"t go below?


#13

@yurimacs - here’s a clue. :wink:


#14

Is 0.046 0.05?

I still have to design the car, but my lore CIS/Asian market engines produce only up to 125HP, that might be a close call for the that power to weight ratio.


#15

oh cmon guys.

except for fuel type of course.

@Private_Miros it’s below what i want, yes. but if you have a good reason for it, do consider it.

and most 1.5L engines over here are making 98-112hp. so even 125hp is above average. that is granted you can make your car not too obese :stuck_out_tongue:


#16

Sorry for the stupid question in hindsight. I was distracted by one of the stats in automation, which I thought was power to weight ration, but now that I think of it, it cannot be correct. The car I checked on was only 1400kg and had a 115hp engine. Somehow the Automation stat said 0.048, while the ptw here is 0.08… I’ll see when I’m home where either me or the game missed a turn and hit the banking.


#17

Any regulations on quality sliders? Do we have min/max or totals to worry about, or are we free to choose as we wish?


#18

Maybe I am too good at making cheap penalty boxes, my first try ended up in a car that was half the asked price, almost turning into a Bentley when adding stuff that will be allowed into the price limit…which seems too unrealistic so back to the drawing table I think.


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#20

right. guys i have updated the rules. and no more change will be made from here on out.

what has been changed :

  • added minimum comfort : 25
  • added irl car examples